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I prefer to remember Phil Collins only as Genesis' drums player (obviously BEFORE Peter Gabriel left).
I also consider Damon Albarn a real genius so I agree and don't agree with your post 50/50% :)
 
Vinyl is not making a coming back. There is only a small crowd who will purchase vinyl and vinyl associated products. Companies who are making these will eventually stop because profit will not be enough. They are throwing money at something dead.

The future is digital and eventually we will be able to stream lossless in our homes. Maybe via our Apple TV who knows. We already consume high bandwidth movies and tv shows so why not add lossless music via Apple Music and Apple TV.

There is a subset that likes having the physical media, whether it be for display or for listening, and most new vinyls offer the digital download along with it. If I can pay $10-15 to get it on iTunes, or $15-25 to get the vinyl and the download, a lot of times I will go with the latter. I'm not always on the go, and I still enjoy listening to an album from beginning to end while I decompress from work or while I'm doing stuff around the house. Now, I understand that I am in a tiny minority, but I feel that the two will work hand in hand (Vinyl and Digital), and the slow growth will continue. There is still something cool about being able to show off your music collection, and thumbing through physical media on your shelf does carry considerably more pleasure over swiping on your screen for people.
 
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There is a subset that likes having the physical media, whether it be for display or for listening, and most new vinyls offer the digital download along with it. If I can pay $10-15 to get it on iTunes, or $15-25 to get the vinyl and the download, a lot of times I will go with the latter. I'm not always on the go, and I still enjoy listening to an album from beginning to end while I decompress from work or while I'm doing stuff around the house. Now, I understand that I am in a tiny minority, but I feel that the two will work hand in hand (Vinyl and Digital), and the slow growth will continue. There is still something cool about being able to show off your music collection, and thumbing through physical media on your shelf does carry considerably more pleasure over swiping on your screen for people.

I guess we're opposites because I love being able to browse my music on my iPad or tv. And with the new Apple TV it will make browsing my music even more delightful on my big screen tv.
 
Digital overtook CD sales this year, but that doesn't count for the 2nd hand CD market - which is absolutely huge, by the way, so CD sales are still ahead.
You realise that CDs are digital, right?
Can't believe that many people still buy cd's. I feel like the benefits of digital far outweighs the positive things about physical media.
If we ignore for a moment the fact that CDs are digital: When I buy a CD for less than a download, and then rip it, how does downloadable music have any benefits?
 
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I don't even have a way to play a physical CD, and I assume quite a few others are in the same boat because everything is digital now. I hate the exclusive target tracks. Basically forces people to torrent that version of the album.

Forces? If they want to entice people to buy 8-tracks by putting exclusive songs on it, that's within their rights. Doesn't give you the right to steal it. If you want it, buy the CD, get a $10 external optical drive off craigslist if you don't have one already, and take 30 seconds to rip it. Some music-lovers prefer that process over buying compressed versions of songs - songs that you don't actually get to own by the way.
 
A CD and a nice digital tube amplifier make for an exquisite audiophile experience for me.

An iPod hooked to the car stereo with decent amp, speakers and sub, which also adds the nice seat and the ability to block out outside noise makes for an exquisite listening and enjoying music, without any of that audiophile pretense, for me.
 
You realise that CDs are digital, right?

If we ignore for a moment the fact that CDs are digital: When I buy a CD for less than a download, and then rip it, how does downloadable music have any benefits?

Well since you asked, lets see... If I buy music from iTunes I can play on all of my Apple devices hassle free. With family share my girlfriend could listen to and download my purchased music as well. I don't have to go to a store to buy a cd or order one online and wait for delivery, I don't need to rip a cd, I don't have time for that. And I do realize cd's are digital, it's just that I wasn't aware that I'd needed to be specific and say cd vs digital download.

What's the benefits to owning a cd again?
 
It's a really bold move by her camp, and definitely one that i'm sure behind closed doors, Apple is considering. Here's the thing though, Apple doesn't need help making money. The reality is they may offer a $5 million sponsorship for the streaming exclusivity or something, just to best Spotify...... but let's be honest, $30 million? That's outrageous. Even if '25' matches the sales of her previous album, and longevity wise it moves 20 million units in a couple of years, that would only be an approximate $200 million out of album sales. It would take much more than album sales in the Apple Stores to make that money back. Basically Adele's camp is asking Apple to finance her album. Definitely excited for the album though, and I can't wait to see the impact it makes upon it's debut.




Apple has reportedly declined an offer made by the British singer-songwriter Adele to stock her newest album, 25, in Apple retail stores (via The Daily Mail). Meanwhile, the singer's agents at William Morris Endeavor -- a talent agency -- have pitched the Cupertino company on a possible $30 million tour sponsorship after the album debuts on November 20. It's not currently clear where the status of that offer is with Apple.

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$30 million is about ten times more than the average marketing deal, but Adele's team is banking on the long-gestating album to be a hit when it launches later in November. The singer has already put out a single, "Hello," which is on track to set a record for most downloaded single and has already broken Vevo's previously most-viewed music video record with 27.7 million views in 24 hours. Still, with the brazen tactics at getting the singer a high-profile sponsor deal with the tech company, some in the industry question the success of such a partnership. The marketing team working for Adele is pushing for a physical copy-focus debut of 25, in the similar vein of Taylor Swift's 1989, which debuted a year ago this past Tuesday with exclusive tracks made available only in retail packages sold at Target. Similarly, 25 will get a Target-specific release with a "deluxe version" only available in the retail giant's physical locations, including three bonus tracks for fans.

"Hello" debuted on Apple Music simultaneously with other streaming services, but the upcoming record's physical sales approach may limit the streaming support it gets on November 20, although Adele's team has yet to confirm specifically where 25 will be available when it launches. If the $30 million deal goes through with Apple, it's likely 25 will see an exclusivity window with Apple Music at launch.

Article Link: Apple Declines Offer to Sell Adele's Upcoming Album '25' in Apple Stores
 
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Actually no. It makes people think shes out of touch when all they should be focusing on is all the records she is breaking.

Why would she want to break records?

Destroying the medium isn't going to help people to listen to music, particularly if those records are her own.

I find this disturbing behaviour.
 
People need to get real about this "Vinyl resurgence". Here's a graph that should help:

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I don't think anyone expects vinyl sales to ever return to their 1970's heyday. It's just a niche format these days and going forward it will remain that. With that said, it is a healthy market for what it is and many of us enjoy playing some records from time to time. If you have a decent quality turntable (none of that Crosley garbage) hooked up to a decent stereo receiver or amp and some decent speakers you'd be amazed how good vinyl sounds.

It's not portable, requires physical labor to play, and requires maintaining your equipment and media. Keeping those things in mind vinyl will never be anything more then a niche format. I like vinyl, but only listen to it from time to time. I usually listen to iTunes, streaming music and radio. The only reason vinyl did so well before the introduction of the CD is because consumer magnetic tape formats had garbage sound quality compared to vinyl.

With all of that said, the vinyl 33 1/3 RPM LP was developed by the CBS laboratories in 1948. It's 67 year old technology and still provides sound quality that competes with the best of the best in 2015. I think that's pretty amazing. Will you even be able to play an MP3 in 67 years?
 
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You realise that CDs are digital, right?
Well since you asked, lets see... If I buy music from iTunes I can play on all of my Apple devices hassle free. With family share my girlfriend could listen to and download my purchased music as well. I don't have to go to a store to buy a cd or order one online and wait for delivery, I don't need to rip a cd, I don't have time for that. And I do realize cd's are digital, it's just that I wasn't aware that I'd needed to be specific and say cd vs digital download.

What's the benefits to owning a cd again?

It's often cheaper. At times, it is _significantly_ cheaper. And sometimes, I buy used CDs, which are even cheaper! And after it is ripped, guess what, I can play it on all of my Apple devices without any problems. With family share everyone in the family can listen to it. You don't have the time to wait for delivery? In this case, if you were an Adele fan, you've waited FOUR YEARS for an album and now you can't wait for delivery? That's ridiculous.
 
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It's often cheaper. At times, it is _significantly_ cheaper. And sometimes, I buy used CDs, which are even cheaper! And after it is ripped, guess what, I can play it on all of my Apple devices without any problems. With family share everyone in the family can listen to it. You don't have the time to wait for delivery? In this case, if you were an Adele fan, you've waited FOUR YEARS for an album and now you can't wait for delivery? That's ridiculous.

How can you compare anxious and waiting for an immenent product release, to something or a product that you have no knowledge about and does not exist? And answer to your question is no, I don't have time to wait for a delivery for a cd that has no huge advantage over a digital download. Being cheaper and slightly better quality is not enough.

You are incorrect, after you rip a cd it's music is not available on all of your Apple devices via family share. You'd have to either sync each and every one of those devices to your computer, or you get iTunes Match, or turn on home sharing and sign into each and every device with the Apple ID that is being used in iTunes on the computer that the music is being shared from. The computer must also remain on with iTunes open for this to work and all devices using home sharing must be on the same network to use the content. This is not ideal in 2015 if you want to share music amongst family members.
 
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I guess we're opposites because I love being able to browse my music on my iPad or tv. And with the new Apple TV it will make browsing my music even more delightful on my big screen tv.

Agreed. I have my music on a NAS and access it from there. So much more convenient.
 
How can you compare anxious and waiting for an immenent product release, to something or a product that you have no knowledge about and does not exist? And answer to your question is no, I don't have time to wait for a delivery for a cd that has no huge advantage over a digital download. Being cheaper and slightly better quality is not enough.
You have a strange attitude to music. Music is something for the long term. I really prefer cheaper price and better sound quality, which is money in my pocket forever and better sound for the next 50 years, to owning a record one day earlier. And if you are so anxious and excited, why not order with really slow delivery to make the excitement last longer?
 
You have a strange attitude to music. Music is something for the long term. I really prefer cheaper price and better sound quality, which is money in my pocket forever and better sound for the next 50 years, to owning a record one day earlier. And if you are so anxious and excited, why not order with really slow delivery to make the excitement last longer?

Stay focused. I said listed out some of the advantages and stated that being cheaper and slightly better in sound quality is not enough. What exactly do you expect me to order with a slow delivery date? I just said I don't buy cd's and that I do digital downloads because I don't have the time to wait for a delivery for a cd with less, little or no advantage. You're really just talking just to talk now.
 
Not surprising as Apple have shunned physical media for a long time.

Yep. Now if it had been some kind of physical package with a download code that included content not available via any other service, maybe that might have worked.

But actual disks? I just suspect the reaction was akin to "water, like from the toilets?"
 
CDs have better quality and iTunes downloads. Sometimes when I like a song I will buy an iTunes download. If I really like the song or want the album I order the CD from Amazon. Why pay about the same for inferior quality music? Naturally if I can I order hi-def files from HDtracks.

I can hear the difference between iTunes and CD music on a pair of OK Bose headphones plugged into my iPhone.

My Macs are all 2012 models. One has an internal CD drive, one an internal Blu-ray drive. My mini has an apple plug-in CD drive. Naturally my PC has an optical drive along with all those degradable items that Apple hates.
 
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