arrrrgh.... I'm so pissed. I was planning on the upgrade in June so I can replace 10.3 on my powerbook and get the new adobe CS3 (it wont work on 10.3). Now I've gotta wait some more... So frustrating.
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Apple Delays Leopard Release
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I think they would call this damage control, they know the rumor sites will be all over it, so I'm not sure how effective it is. I would have loved to have Leopard in June, and even went as far as being almost 100% certain... seems I am still as good at predicting as the average weather man.
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As long as they're only spec updates, it takes pretty much zero R&D. Not ruled out for me.
I wouldn't bet on that if they really include iLife and/or iWork. Sounds more like $200 to me. And besides, not everyone has access to edu discount
I normally don't get too annoyed by set backs like this, but this week my boss got a new laptop with Vista Business on it and if there is ever a time to gain market share it is now. I have spent much of the week customizing it for him and have gotten a feel for what's under the hood. Vista's Aero interface really feels like an afterthought. Its clunky and the security questions really are annoying. Frankly I cannot believe its taken five years for Vista to be released. It just feels unfinished and is frankly not much to look at.
That being said, Leopard's delay allows Vista more time to take hold with users who may be on the fence of switching. Vista may be clunky, but for a PC user who is used to Windows it is the safe upgrade.
Oh well, another missed opportunity.
AtariMac
That being said, Leopard's delay allows Vista more time to take hold with users who may be on the fence of switching. Vista may be clunky, but for a PC user who is used to Windows it is the safe upgrade.
Oh well, another missed opportunity.
AtariMac
Can't be bothered
I don't care about mobile phones; I never did (why do they all have useless, low quality cameras in it?). Moving to NZ soon, I will definitely try to live without one.
And the delay of Leopard... who really cares? I doubt there will be "the secret killing feature". 64-bit is not that important yet, resolution independent UI, spaces and time machine looks useful, but how much does it really improve my experience/work? The rest is so minor, I would not even call them features.
If the coming iWork doesn't have a good spreadsheet application, I'll start doubting Apple's direction in the computer/software segment. At the moment I still run MS Excel.
Without major improvements this year, I might start to look for alternative software, Ubuntu or another Linux, maybe even Solaris (ZFS should work there), at the end of this year. After 8 years Apple only, this would run in parallel with my existing Apple stuff and includes different hardware as well.
Time for competition has arrived!
I don't care about mobile phones; I never did (why do they all have useless, low quality cameras in it?). Moving to NZ soon, I will definitely try to live without one.
And the delay of Leopard... who really cares? I doubt there will be "the secret killing feature". 64-bit is not that important yet, resolution independent UI, spaces and time machine looks useful, but how much does it really improve my experience/work? The rest is so minor, I would not even call them features.
If the coming iWork doesn't have a good spreadsheet application, I'll start doubting Apple's direction in the computer/software segment. At the moment I still run MS Excel.
Without major improvements this year, I might start to look for alternative software, Ubuntu or another Linux, maybe even Solaris (ZFS should work there
), at the end of this year. After 8 years Apple only, this would run in parallel with my existing Apple stuff and includes different hardware as well.Time for competition has arrived!
1. So Apple is taking more time to refine OS X, but it won't have secret features like they promised? Mmmhmm. Sure.
2. Dvorak makes up crap to get people to read his steaming pile of $%*! he calls "articles"
3. Yawn. FUD.
How is this the end of the Mac era? Last I heard, Apple is going to release Pro apps at NAB. Would they release software for a "dead" platform? Why is the iPhone using OS X as it's OS if Mac OS X is dead?
Anyways, your analogy to the Mac team taking Apple II's resources is flawed: The Apple II was replaced by thr Mac (eventually). The iPhone won't replace the Mac, never will.
Your post is pure FUD crapola.
How many attempts / re-writes did it take Apple to come up with OSX?
Apple had several attempts at an OS.10... before the OSX10 we know today... ( and a lot of that was taken from Next ).
So, like MS, Apple aren't perfect either.
Apple had several attempts at an OS.10... before the OSX10 we know today... ( and a lot of that was taken from Next ).
So, like MS, Apple aren't perfect either.
While it sucks that it is getting delayed... really, who cares. Until we know what the ultra-secret features are, there isn't much to get excited over. Virtual desktops can be had using Virtue, and Time Machine looks kind of pointless and something most people will disable to save hard drive space.
It makes sense that Apple is putting 110% of all available resources in to the iPhone, as I really think that's going to make or break Apple's venture in to the cellular market. With the press reaction and hype the iPhone has gotten so far, it would be a disaster for it to be released and be anything less than perfect. Steve has promised the moon, and there's only so much the reality distortion field can do.
I really don't see what is worth getting suicidal over in this announcement. This isn't "the end of Macs as we know it" or whatever you idiots think is happening. I can't believe how fanatical some of you people are, a lot of this thread is reading like exactly what I'd expect in a "LOL IN THIS THREAD LET'S PRETEND WE'RE ALL APPLE USERS" thread posted on [H]ard-OCP or some other PC-centric forum.
...Just, wow.
It makes sense that Apple is putting 110% of all available resources in to the iPhone, as I really think that's going to make or break Apple's venture in to the cellular market. With the press reaction and hype the iPhone has gotten so far, it would be a disaster for it to be released and be anything less than perfect. Steve has promised the moon, and there's only so much the reality distortion field can do.
I really don't see what is worth getting suicidal over in this announcement. This isn't "the end of Macs as we know it" or whatever you idiots think is happening. I can't believe how fanatical some of you people are, a lot of this thread is reading like exactly what I'd expect in a "LOL IN THIS THREAD LET'S PRETEND WE'RE ALL APPLE USERS" thread posted on [H]ard-OCP or some other PC-centric forum.
...Just, wow.
For some reason this whole "iphone=Leopard delay" excuse seems impossible. By all accounts they have been working on both projects for quite some time, and they don't strike me as a company moving forward with no clear map. My only hope is that we will see some inspiring top secret features in June that are worth the wait.
I'm thinking back to the "Welcome to 2007, the first 30 years were just the beginning", I hope they didn't mean just a cell phone.
I'm thinking back to the "Welcome to 2007, the first 30 years were just the beginning", I hope they didn't mean just a cell phone.
My faith in 
has been shaken today.
I hope this doesn't turn into the same amount of delay that Vista had.
has been shaken today.I hope this doesn't turn into the same amount of delay that Vista had.
That only make the sellers ignorant. While it has short term impact, don't think there is any long term negative impact for this.
But Apple can now even compare delays in the next pc vs. Mac ad campain. PC: 4 years, Mac 4 months.
The delay plain sucks. I was waiting for Leopard to buy my next Macbook Pro to replace my PowerBook. Guess will have a Macbook Pro much faster as anticipated, and then will buy family pack for Leopard. That's life, I guess.
um.... so now Digitimes' claim about Leopard may be delayed until October looks quite accurate then. (Check Mac Rumours Page 2) The reasons it gives and Apple gives are different though. Digitimes said it's because of Vista and Apple said it's because of iPhone. Interesting... Is it possible that Apple doesn't want to admit they couldn't finish Leopard as schedule because of Microsoft? Therefore, they just blame it on iPhone? LOL
Anyway, I am so disappointed. I am a PC user and I always want to try Mac. I've been waiting for Leopard and Santa Rosa since last year. I thought hopefully I can finally get it in summer. Apple just breaks my heart, but I will still wait. God! Give me strength! to resist the impulse of buying one now.
Anyway, I am so disappointed. I am a PC user and I always want to try Mac. I've been waiting for Leopard and Santa Rosa since last year. I thought hopefully I can finally get it in summer. Apple just breaks my heart, but I will still wait. God! Give me strength! to resist the impulse of buying one now.
Lots of fanboy statements with little to back it up.
2) Really? If you haven't noticed, iTunes runs on Windows. And just a guess... I'd say that are many more Windows machines running iTunes than Macs. Apple doesn't need Mac OS X to run Apple TVs or iPods or sell content through iTunes.
3) Wishful thinking. Might be true, but might also be misguided.
4) For a $600 phone? There's no way they can get 1% market share, especially if you consider iPhone is North America only. Who knows what delays they'll run into supporting international. There had been rumors of lower priced iPhones. Lots of rumors about lots of products. So far no products other than somewhat lame Apple TV (no HD content, no rentals, poor video quality, etc.)
My main problem isn't the delay persay, but the fact that Apple hasn't done ANYTHING with it's consumer products for months on end. No iPod updates, no iMac or MacBook updates - I mean, how long can you drag out a product line that was only an internal change in the first place?
And the release about Leopard shouldn't have mentioned iPhone at all. They are placing far too many eggs into that basket. If iPhone happened to fail, they would have major problems on their hands.
And the release about Leopard shouldn't have mentioned iPhone at all. They are placing far too many eggs into that basket. If iPhone happened to fail, they would have major problems on their hands.
If those screenshots of the latest Leopard build are any indication of what they're going to present to us at the WWDC I'm not buying Leopard.
Delays in the technology industry are fairly typical. Four year delays with half the originally proposed features constitute a legendary exception. Were people laughing about Longhorn not shipping in 2003? Not really. Fast forward a year and with almost no progress and the jokes begin. Three months is a minor bump.Now all Mac users can't laugh at Vista's delayed anymore...
Sure, since those same engineers and developers created a new version of OS X to run on the iPhone and on the AppleTV, along with who knows what else (maybe the next-generation iPods?). They didn't go out and hire an army of new software people, so it's fairly obvious in hindsight that they would have had to divert people from that project. They kept it a fairly good secret as a result--everyone just assumed they were working on Leopard.
The iPhone and the AppleTV are computers. They're not shifting focus; they're simply branching out. Some of the consequences of that include some uneven development and growth lag. A two month delay is not the end of the world--how many products have had four-five week shipping delays after being announced as ready? What about the PowerMac G5 models that took months to ship? People barely even remember those problems.
Of course they did--the number of Apple employees did not rise substantially to provide the iPhone and AppleTV. The same people that work on everything else at Apple had to work on these projects as well. There aren't magical elves who do the work of OS X developers for these products.
On the contrary, the AppleTV and iPhone both provide venues for computer hardware and software development. They can test out parts of Leopard in these products and a number of innovations and designs can be put to use in Macs down the line, which only strengthens the products in the end. Whether it's through speed optimization to run on weaker processors or the ability to test new features on a single hardware configuration (which speeds up debugging considerably), the end result is a positive effect for everyone.
Probably more people than care about a stupid computer, when you come right down to it. There is no phone monopoly in the world, and the average consumer is far more open to "trendy" phones than computers, which they've been conditioned to find as exciting as toasters and curling irons.
While normally I would be upset, Apple is usually very good with dates. They goofed up, get over it. Sometimes you can't predict when software will be ready. That's life. At least you didn't have to wait 5 years for an OS that "Wows" us with UAC and zero innovation.
Here's my theory, Tiger is still a great OS. I have very few complaints with it. Sure I wanted Leopard really bad, but how much do I really "need" it right now? The answer? Not that much. Windows users NEED something new, in the Mac world...we already have a great product to be happy about.
As for people saying Leopard is more important than the iPhone: Are you guys that ignorant? The iPhone has the potential to become the next iPod. Apple knows the future of all devices lyes within cell phones. Everything is quickly merging into your cellphone: Camera / MP3 / Internet in the palm of your hand. Apple knows in 10 years people will use their phones to play their music, so why not make sure they release the product that sets the standard? There is WAY WAY WAY WAY more money in the iPhone long term. The iPhone line of products could easily be around in 10 - 15 years + beyond. Phones aren't going away anytime soon, whereas MP3 players can simply be integrated into other products. The key is to grab a hold of the Smart Phone market like they did with the iPod. Once the market is in your control, you're going to see lots of $$.
Here's my theory, Tiger is still a great OS. I have very few complaints with it. Sure I wanted Leopard really bad, but how much do I really "need" it right now? The answer? Not that much. Windows users NEED something new, in the Mac world...we already have a great product to be happy about.
As for people saying Leopard is more important than the iPhone: Are you guys that ignorant? The iPhone has the potential to become the next iPod. Apple knows the future of all devices lyes within cell phones. Everything is quickly merging into your cellphone: Camera / MP3 / Internet in the palm of your hand. Apple knows in 10 years people will use their phones to play their music, so why not make sure they release the product that sets the standard? There is WAY WAY WAY WAY more money in the iPhone long term. The iPhone line of products could easily be around in 10 - 15 years + beyond. Phones aren't going away anytime soon, whereas MP3 players can simply be integrated into other products. The key is to grab a hold of the Smart Phone market like they did with the iPod. Once the market is in your control, you're going to see lots of $$.
Without major improvements this year, I might start to look for alternative software, Ubuntu or another Linux, maybe even Solaris (ZFS should work there
Time for competition has arrived!
GAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...
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Yeah, because Ubuntu is light years ahead of OSX. Good one. I can tell your research on the matter has been limited to one to two Google searches.
I was expecting this. Not surprised at all... Let Apple delay it as much as they want. Tiger is doing everything I want it to do.
I bet all those people who were wondering whether they should buy/wait who decided to buy are happy...
I think this is terrible terrible news. But it's not that Apple WANTED this to happen...the iPhone was so much more hyped up than Leopard, imagine they delayed teh iPhone again, after promising it in June? Think about how disastrous it would be...
On the other hand, I'm very mad at Apple. I think they were just buttering everyone up with new commercials so that we'd be easier on them when they broke us the bad news...
I think this is terrible terrible news. But it's not that Apple WANTED this to happen...the iPhone was so much more hyped up than Leopard, imagine they delayed teh iPhone again, after promising it in June? Think about how disastrous it would be...
On the other hand, I'm very mad at Apple. I think they were just buttering everyone up with new commercials so that we'd be easier on them when they broke us the bad news...
Copland is but the best-known of the many false starts before NeXT/Steve came on board and OS X was born.
Apple's not perfect... just better than MS by 5 years
(Usable OS X in 2002, usable Vista in 2007.)Correct, the Mac's future is stronger than ever. BUT I was going to get a $95 (from Amazon) "new Mac" this Spring, aka Leopard upgrade, and now that becomes Fall. So if I can't kill myself, at LEAST let me go into a half year drinking binge and destroy my liver. Deal?
FWIW, I'm more saddened by Kurt Vonnegut's death. And also, Darfur, courtesy of Google Earth.