Apple Delays Leopard Release

[tribulation]

PS- Seriously though. the hidden features thing. I'm betting it was a smokescreen by Apple for mess of an OS that wasn't remotely ready for even demoing.

I totally agree. I'm betting that these magic hidden features will something along the lines of:

a) Magic iPhone syncing [just some rather pointless utility that Steve spins as revolutionary]
b) well honestly I don't want to waste time thinking of other pointless things. But I'll betcha the majority [if not all] of the hidden features will be things blown way out of proportion and spun like there's no tomorrow; while providing no real value or reason.

 

[TheManOfSilver]

Sigh ... oh well ... I guess it's 3 more months to save for my iMac ...

 

[zap2]

I just want iLife and iWork '07..I can live with out 10.5, but I'm still using iWork '05(on an Intel Mac) because I've put off iWork '06 w/ iWork '07 "coming around the corner"


Hopefully it will be worth the wait

 

[johnee]

time to buy Vista

I wouldn't go that far.

 

[nagromme]

Okay then, how about nothing much beyond processors that wouldn't bump the prices up significantly. I can't see Apple slimming margins, so even if the machine supports more memory, Apple won't add much more without charging more too.

Technology marches on, and prices (including flash storage) march down

Remember when the G3 Smurf Tower came out, and the whole machine WITH SuperDrive cost less than a SuperDrive alone cost the day before?

A volume buyer like Apple, who adopts a technology early, can sometimes get it at a surprisingly affordable price.

And the other components of a Mac get gradually cheaper too, allowing Apple to splurge on something new perhaps.

There's room to HOPE for significant new features at the same price, if for no other reason that the fact that it has happened many times before.

 

[macenforcer]

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[richard4339]

This, to me, has FAKE written all over it.

It just doesn't seem right... and although I completely agree that OS X wont be at WWDC... at least not shipped then this release doesn't seem right. It also forgets the:

Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. Today, Apple continues to lead the industry in innovation with its award-winning computers, OS X operating system and iLife and professional applications. Apple is also spearheading the digital media revolution with its iPod portable music and video players and iTunes online store, and will enter the mobile phone market this year with its revolutionary iPhone.

Someone may have already responded directly to you, but this was actually on apple.com. Kinda makes this sound a little more plausible, though I don't want to believe it either (and the wording sounds a little off to me as well).

 

[ortuno2k]

Wow,
Over 600 comments and 1000+ negative ones!
There are a lot of people pissed at right now (including self)

To be honest, I was also skeptical after reading the news here on MR (today) about the latest Leopard release - and was browsing the thread and commenting, and seeing the long list of bugs.

Then the bomb hits a few minutes later - "Leopard out in October...."

If it was because of any other reason, I probably wouldn't be so upset - or dissapointed. But it's the i(nfamous)Phone.

Kinda pissed and dissapointed now. Also, no word on iLife & iWork.
Maybe by the time they release it they'll claim that they're "ahead of schedule" and call it "iWork '08" and "iLife '08"?

 

[universityprof]

waiting for years...

Well, I guess I have to keep my $3K in the bank for another six months.

What upsets me is that this is yet another delay - I've been waiting for YEARS for a reasonable time to buy a new laptop.

Since 2003 at least.

First, there was no reasonable upgrade forthcoming because more powerful PowerPC chips weren't materializing.

Then, there was the switch to Intel, but native software wasn't available.

So, finally, we have Intel upgrades to the Adobe software, but new machines and the new OS aren't to be had.

I guess my dual-usb iBook will just have to run OS 10.4.9 a little longer. C'mon, you can do it boy! Just keep running a little longer...

 

[zub3qin]

I totally agree. I'm betting that these magic hidden features will something along the lines of:

a) Magic iPhone syncing [just some rather pointless utility that Steve spins as revolutionary]
b) well honestly I don't want to waste time thinking of other pointless things. But I'll betcha the majority [if not all] of the hidden features will be things blown way out of proportion and spun like there's no tomorrow; while providing no real value or reason.

You are correct- all the secret features will revolve around iPhone. Which is useless for most people who won't be getting an iPhone.
Apple is going to sell iPhones by making Leopard users want (need?) it to make use of all Leopard features. Synergistic marketing- I buy Leopard. Leopard largely revolves around iPhone. I guess I need to buy an iPhone.

Apple needs to pony up on the supposed secret features. If secret features are iPhone syncing, some iChat/iPhone chat integration, iCal/iPhone integration, Safari bookmarks/iphone bookmarks integration.... boy are we going to laugh.

 

[Amdahl]

Actually basic core affinity isn't that hard under Tiger... which was what I was talking about.

I think it would be hard; if you bolt it on to an existing scheduler, you create the possibility of a process that can only run on one CPU, or even multiple that can only run on a CPU. If one CPU is essentially 'busy' running a certain task, will the scheduler know that the other CPU needs to be loaded more frequently because one CPU is 'tied-up?' In a simple bolt on, no, it won't know. So a bolt on is going to run very unevenly.

Then you have the problem of locking. If you bolt CPU affinity on to a scheduler that never contemplated it, you can run in to problem of lock contention. If a process that holds an important lock (perhaps a kernel lock) is fighting to get on to a CPU because the only one it can run on in is busy, you can see the whole kernel come to a standstill with only one CPU in use. 'Smooth multitasking' comes very quickly to a halt.

So no, I do not believe you can easily tack core affinity on to a kernel like Tiger which has had no such concept before.

 

[RRK]

Does anyone think that we could see a 10.4.10 with core animation so that they can release iLife/iWork before October? Is it even possible?

 

[shawnce]

I think it would be hard

You may want to look at what is already in the code. In fact Tiger already has more then I thought in it... again I am talking about basic opportunistic affinity not a more full blown topology based affinity algorithm.

 

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[CoreWeb]

I totally agree. I'm betting that these magic hidden features will something along the lines of:

a) Magic iPhone syncing [just some rather pointless utility that Steve spins as revolutionary]
b) well honestly I don't want to waste time thinking of other pointless things. But I'll betcha the majority [if not all] of the hidden features will be things blown way out of proportion and spun like there's no tomorrow; while providing no real value or reason.

Aren't most new features added to things add little real value? I mean, I could do word processing on Windows 3.1. A lot of the improvements to that are purely aesthetic.

 

[gothiquegirrl]

Jesus Christ, some of you people are acting like Steve Jobs himself took out a gun and shot 10 puppies on national TV while pissing all over the American flag at the same time.

I don't know why.. but that made me giggle!

 

[macenforcer]

You may want to look at what is already in the code. In fact Tiger already has more then I thought in it... again I am talking about basic opportunistic affinity not a more full blown topology based affinity algorithm.

My universal translator just crapped out. Again, this time not in klingon...

 

[matthew24]

I'm a PC user and was about to buy my first Mac. The New OSX has been delayed again and to be honest I'm losing interest. As much as I hate Vista it's here and now!!! Apple Inc. seems to have lost interest in there Computers also. The Suspense is gone now I'm just mad. I mean First appletv, Then iPhone, Next ibegone! Someone please talk me into staying the course.

My gosh, probably you should stay loyal to your trash OS instead of Tiger.

 

[CoreWeb]

Does anyone think that we could see a 10.4.10 with core animation so that they can release iLife/iWork before October? Is it even possible?

It's possible... but if I had to guess...

I'd say it much more likely that Apple add the commands that are used in Core Animation but just make them do little or no animation. That way, there is backwards-compatibility for programs that use Core Animation, but they would work "better" on Leopard.

 

[Martin C]

This actually puts things in a better position for me. I'm looking into buying a MBP and by the time Leopard arrives the MBP's surely should have been refreshed and equipped with the Q3 release of Penryn.

 

[ipedro]

Well, I was waiting for Leopard before cleaning out my computer.

Looks like I'm going to have a long weekend formatting my MBP...

 

[macenforcer]

You are correct- all the secret features will revolve around iPhone. Which is useless for most people who won't be getting an iPhone.
Apple is going to sell iPhones by making Leopard users want (need?) it to make use of all Leopard features. Synergistic marketing- I buy Leopard. Leopard largely revolves around iPhone. I guess I need to buy an iPhone.

Apple needs to pony up on the supposed secret features. If secret features are iPhone syncing, some iChat/iPhone chat integration, iCal/iPhone integration, Safari bookmarks/iphone bookmarks integration.... boy are we going to laugh.

For real. What could they possibly put into Leapord that would wow me? I know make my mac 2 x faster. That I would be happy with. Or make safari faster.

 

[Luis]

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[BilltheCat]

hmmm Im not laughing now.

Companies never seem to have the same vision as thier user base it seems. Phones are a very hard place to compete too. Bill Gates didnt try to make a phone. He did try to make an ipod however and screwed that up pretty well I think. Maybe he learned his lesson and wouldnt step into strange territory again.

 

[EngBrian]

Well I am certainly not waiting until October. At least I hope it doesn't take that long to get the money together to buy a machine.