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Apple Delays Leopard Release

The number of Apple apologists is sickening on this thread.

"Oh don't worry, Vista was 2 years late, Leopard is only a few months."
"Steve knows what he's doing, this will only be good for Apple."
"If they iron the kinks out now, Leopard will be that much better in October!"

Are you guys serious? This is the typical blind fanboyism that all PC users HATE about Mac users. Bottom line:

1. Steve changed priorities with Apple; no longer Apple Computers, taking all of the best programmers and putting them on an unproven technology while mostly ignoring their promise and most loyal users.

2. With the "Leopard will now even be greater in October because they are working on all the bugs now!" argument, that is total crap. Why not wait until next year to release it then, because in 2008 I'm SURE every single detail will be ironed out, maybe with a few problems. In that mindset, why not wait 'til 2009? Nothing could be wrong with it then!

So many people here are so blindly following Apple that they try to rationalize this news and criticize those who question it. People 'round these parts have to open their eyes.
 
mac-er said:
And, let's make sure there are no hypocrites here. Everyone that have MS crap about Vista being delayed should now do the same for Apple.
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Comments like this (and commenters like the one immediately above) are a complete joke.

Vista was delayed for YEARS, Leopard is going to be delayed for 4 months. Oooooh.

Now I'm not saying I'm thrilled by the news, but let's not all overreact at once. Fact of the matter is, iPhone is currently far more important to Apple from an image/PR point of view, and they must deliver on time. They didn't show off Leopard earlier this year did they? They didn't run ads for Leopard during the Oscars did they? And is anyone else simply floundering on their Macs running 10.4.9? I didn't think so.

Come in off the ledges, take a deep breath, and calm down.
 
Veritas&Equitas said:
The number of Apple apologists is sickening on this thread.

"Oh don't worry, Vista was 2 years late, Leopard is only a few months."
"Steve knows what he's doing, this will only be good for Apple."
"If they iron the kinks out now, Leopard will be that much better in October!"

Are you guys serious? This is the typical blind fanboyism that all PC users HATE about Mac users. Bottom line:

1. Steve changed priorities with Apple; no longer Apple Computers, taking all of the best programmers and putting them on an unproven technology while mostly ignoring their promise and most loyal users.

2. With the "Leopard will now even be greater in October because they are working on all the bugs now!" argument, that is total crap. Why not wait until next year to release it then, because in 2008 I'm SURE every single detail will be ironed out, maybe with a few problems. In that mindset, why not wait 'til 2009? Nothing could be wrong with it then!

So many people here are so blindly following Apple that they try to rationalize this news and criticize those who question it. People 'round these parts have to open their eyes.
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Amen.
 
Multimedia

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Okay, Multimedia...

When is the next hardware release?

Prediction. Drumroll please.....:eek:

Do we get Santa Rosa by June... or is it all out the window till October?
 
Veritas&Equitas said:
The number of Apple apologists is sickening on this thread.

"Oh don't worry, Vista was 2 years late, Leopard is only a few months."
"Steve knows what he's doing, this will only be good for Apple."
"If they iron the kinks out now, Leopard will be that much better in October!"

Are you guys serious? This is the typical blind fanboyism that all PC users HATE about Mac users. Bottom line:

1. Steve changed priorities with Apple; no longer Apple Computers, taking all of the best programmers and putting them on an unproven technology while mostly ignoring their promise and most loyal users.

2. With the "Leopard will now even be greater in October because they are working on all the bugs now!" argument, that is total crap. Why not wait until next year to release it then, because in 2008 I'm SURE every single detail will be ironed out, maybe with a few problems. In that mindset, why not wait 'til 2009? Nothing could be wrong with it then!

So many people here are so blindly following Apple that they try to rationalize this news and criticize those who question it. People 'round these parts have to open their eyes.
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Best post yet.

I'm a huge Apple fan but also an Apple critic. As much as I like them, I couldn't imagine following them like a sheep with an Apple logo stamped on me. Fanboys = drones.
 
I can't believe how people are taking this so seriously!

Its only an OS! There is vastly more to life than a OS - unless your a spotty nerd sitting at a computer 24/7!
 
I fail to see why people want Leopard so bad! Sure, it'll be cool and nice to have but there's nothing to it that's absolutely stellar that makes it hard to wait for. There isn't much more worthwhile you'll be able to do with Leopard that you can't do with Tiger. Just what exactly is the problem? It's not like we're waiting for something FUN like umm... Super Mario Galaxy/Smash Bros. Now those games, I can't wait for. :D I know there's at least one feature of Leopard that's retarded, which is time machine. When you delete something, it should stay deleted. I know I'll have that disabled. I think time machine is about the dumbest idea ever.

I'll definitely be purchasing Leopard when it comes out, but it's not anything special that I can't wait for.
 
wizzerandchips said:
so I take it you wont be buying an iphone then ?
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Quite right, I'm not going close to it. Cingular, for 2 years? Are you serious?

"Never drop a call"?

The only reason they never drop a call is because you never have service in the first place to GET the call...and I'm in a Metro area with 2.4 million people. Switched to Verizon, never going back, especially not for a phone that won't be able to make phone calls.
 
Why is everyone so worked up? I was just like:
"Oh crap. Well, that sucked."
Life goes on. This will give me all summer to earn enough money to get a new Mac...
Sure, part of me says that I want the new OS ASAP, but the developer side of me says "20% of your code isn't even UB net, who needs another change."

I will however be interested in the new features and also how well the iPhone does.

Now, please get this straight:
10.5 being a bit late: sucks, but doesn't change much of anything right now
Something like PhotoShopCS3 being late: my hell on earth of photoshop slowness would have continued for months

Do you see my logic?
 
Joseph Duchesne said:
Something like PhotoShopCS3 being late: my hell on earth of photoshop slowness would have continued for months

Do you see my logic?
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That's a good reason to be angry about something being late but the point with a lot of people is that they've put off replacing older/slower systems and so it's bascially the same situation.
June seemed to be breaking point for a lot of people who saw it as a software/hardware tie-in rather than an updated OS.
 
Flash forward to a Tuesday in October...

Apple has announced a 'special event' for the media, and everyone expects the release of Leopard. Steve walks out on stage for the presentation and remarks how far the iphone has brought the company over the last couple months, and predicts the sale of an additional 2.5 million units. As a result of the tremendous success, Apple Inc. has decided to release new versions of the iphone in time for the holiday shopping season. Unfourtantly, members of the Leopard team have had to remain on the iphone project for longer than expected, subsequently Leopard is not yet ready for the public. Steve smiles and says "See you at MWSF, we'll have it ready by then, I swear," and then walks off stage. The media loves the announcement and praises Apple Inc. for realizing the market demand of the iphone by teenagers accross America. Soon after 100 page threads appear on MRs, but alas, Leopard is only 7 months behind now, not 2 or 4 years, or whatever amount of time Vista was.

Here's to October :)
 
glennyboiwpg said:
Get rid of those F**King commericals making fun of windows, when you can't get your own product out the door on time!
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Sure, because somehow the various problems with Windows disappear if an Apple product is delayed? Like that makes any sense.... :rolleyes:

Zukum said:
Can a respected MR veteran who has an objective view and some spare time please read all of these 1000+ posts and do a summary of the best ideas and points?
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I dunno, do I count? ;) I didn't read all the posts...but I did read a lot of them. Here's a summary:

1) A lot of whining.
2) Some not-too-bright comments trying to compare Leopard delays to Vista delays, as if there's no difference at all between 4 months and 4 years (with most of the major features, which would have justified such a delay, dropped).
3) Some more whining.
4) A bunch of stuff about how Apple doesn't care about Macs anymore.
5) The occasional rational comment.
6) Yet more whining.

I personally wouldn't try to justify the delay. I don't really trust anything that Apple says...but it's just not that big of a deal. As to the whole "Apple doesn't care about their computers anymore": welcome to the future. It's not Apple, it's the world. They have to start adapting ahead of time, or they'll be caught with outmoded product lines that don't sell, and then they will disappear. I prefer my Power Mac, and don't care about iPods/iPhones/iWhatevers, but at least--unlike most people--I can recognize that the world doesn't revolve around what I prefer.

--Eric
 
Jaqen said:
I fail to see why people want Leopard so bad! Sure, it'll be cool and nice to have but there's nothing to it that's absolutely stellar that makes it hard to wait for. There isn't much more worthwhile you'll be able to do with Leopard that you can't do with Tiger. Just what exactly is the problem? It's not like we're waiting for something FUN like umm... Super Mario Galaxy/Smash Bros. Now those games, I can't wait for. :D I know there's at least one feature of Leopard that's retarded, which is time machine. When you delete something, it should stay deleted. I know I'll have that disabled. I think time machine is about the dumbest idea ever.

I'll definitely be purchasing Leopard when it comes out, but it's not anything special that I can't wait for.
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I've tried every mac-based backup application i could find that i can afford (less than couple hundred bucks per user) and none of them are easy to use AND confidence inspiring.

Even with XP you had more options built in.

If Time Machine works as advertised, then that one feature is more important in my day-to-day schedule than any feature that has been put into OS X since 10.2.

Worthwhile Octo support could save me hours in "waiting time" each month.

Resolution independence would completely change the way I work.

meaningful, smart searching (boolean operators, anyone!?!?!?) on a system-wide basis, without using 3rd party apps that break with every point release would make Spotlight actually useful. As would system-wide metadata support beyond the current "spotlight comments" field. I should be able to tag every document of every type with a project ID number and have a smart folder that can store it all intelligently and dynamically. I just figured out that Vista can do this, and it ticks me off.

I've gotta say, I'm not surprised by this delay. Any time a company is calling late June "spring," I get suspicious. And for all the "vista was later" apologists, answer me this: Did MS ever make fun of Apple for being off schedule? Apple did so, loudly and often. To say that they had to concentrate on the iphone, pulling people off of OS X, is a lie.
 
Veritas&Equitas said:
The number of Apple apologists is sickening on this thread.

"Oh don't worry, Vista was 2 years late, Leopard is only a few months."
"Steve knows what he's doing, this will only be good for Apple."
"If they iron the kinks out now, Leopard will be that much better in October!"

Are you guys serious? This is the typical blind fanboyism that all PC users HATE about Mac users. Bottom line:

1. Steve changed priorities with Apple; no longer Apple Computers, taking all of the best programmers and putting them on an unproven technology while mostly ignoring their promise and most loyal users.

2. With the "Leopard will now even be greater in October because they are working on all the bugs now!" argument, that is total crap. Why not wait until next year to release it then, because in 2008 I'm SURE every single detail will be ironed out, maybe with a few problems. In that mindset, why not wait 'til 2009? Nothing could be wrong with it then!

So many people here are so blindly following Apple that they try to rationalize this news and criticize those who question it. People 'round these parts have to open their eyes.
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Tell it like it is...
 
Vidd said:
That's a good reason to be angry about something being late but the point with a lot of people is that they've put off replacing older/slower systems and so it's bascially the same situation.
June seemed to be breaking point for a lot of people who saw it as a software/hardware tie-in rather than an updated OS.
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That is the situation for me. I am bummed about the delay but more so because I want a hi res macbook pro. As I understand it, apple can't do the hi res screens until the resolution independence feature is in the OS. That doesn't come till leopard from what I understand.

I am a PC user that has been toying with switching for awhile. Vista finally has forced me to make the switch. The delay won't stop me from switching even if I have to wait for the hi res until october....unless microsoft comes up with something that magically makes vista an option but that is highly unlikely.
 
HailToTheVictor said:
Apple has announced a 'special event' for the media, and everyone expects the release of Leopard. Steve walks out on stage for the presentation and remarks how far the iphone has brought the company over the last couple months, and predicts the sale of an additional 2.5 million units. As a result of the tremendous success, Apple Inc. has decided to release new versions of the iphone in time for the holiday shopping season. Unfourtantly, members of the Leopard team have had to remain on the iphone project for longer than expected, subsequently Leopard is not yet ready for the public. Steve smiles and says "See you at MWSF, we'll have it ready by then, I swear," and then walks off stage. The media loves the announcement and praises Apple Inc. for realizing the market demand of the iphone by teenagers accross America. Soon after 100 page threads appear on MRs, but alas, Leopard is only 7 months behind now, not 2 or 4 years, or whatever amount of time Vista was.

Here's to October :)
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And the fanboys will talk of how this will make Leopard even better.
How this will make even more money for Apple because additional iPhone models will sell more than Leopard.

On and on until there no longer is a Mac. I could see Apple selling the computer hardware business to a Chinese company like IBM did, and either license or ditch the general purpose Mac OS X.
 
StaphaTheBull said:
That is the situation for me. I am bummed about the delay but more so because I want a hi res macbook pro. As I understand it, apple can't do the hi res screens until the resolution independence feature is in the OS. That doesn't come till leopard from what I understand.
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This argument about delaying hardware updates to facilitate the OS delay keeps coming up.
I doubt Apple are going to keep everything they had planned for June/Summer in reserve.
If Windows users can do with 1920x1280 (?) screens without resolution independence, surely Mac users can for 4 months?
 
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