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Wow it was scheduled for 19.4 ? I thought it was 19.0. What the hell are they doing ?

As long as Siri does not rely on a LLM tech, no matter how many features they will add to it, it will continue to suck.
 
I defend Apple, I don’t think they’re particularly behind yet. But a year from now.
Totally agree with you here. I love their products. Jump on board everything new which comes out and for the most part I'm always happy I did and kept to their ecosystem. But lately with AI it's starting to just make me wonder what their doing and how they missed the boat so badly on this one.
 
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I disagree. Apple is a hardware AND software company.
Their devices are only great, because the hardware and software work hand in hand.

They just slept on AI and are now scrambling to put something out in that area...
Traditionally you get two out of three of better, faster, cheaper. Apple has zero for three.

I've rolled back to Sonoma to avoid their thrashing. Once everything is working and stable OR they have segregated the AI into an OPTIONAL module then I'll consider upgrading to that OS.
 
The real issue is, people have been begging Apple to do something about Siri for literally a decade. And they, worse than putting their heads in the sand and ignoring it, boldly kept telling us Siri is great.

And even still they can't deliver a simply reliable Siri that even resembles what they have been telling us it is since 2011.

It's Apple themselves that set the standard they are now being criticized by.

Nobody even asked Apple to compete with ChatGPT. They just wanted a Siri that's not awful. And it seems one way or another Apple just can't get that out the door.

All I want from Siri is to be able to use the information I've been giving Apple this entire time to do things on my own device. What they said would be coming to Siri sometime in iOS 18 sounds fine to me. But they can't even seem to manage that.

Again, I realize this is not easy. But it's Apple's own arrogance with Siri that is frustrating people.
I agree. It’s not great that Apple are struggling with Siri but they only have themselves to blame. It seems they just ignored the problem for years and now they are trying to catch up with something that’s so far ahead of them.

But I think most users just want a functional Siri and one that’s not necessarily based on AI. A lot of Siris problems are not transactional they are implementational. If Siri on my watch can’t figure out what to do due to a connection issue often it will just silently do nothing. Tell me what the problem is in more detail so that I can possibly do something about it. Lost Internet? Maybe automatically try dropping and reconnecting WiFi. Cos if I do that manually it often fixes it. Can’t talk to a HomeKit peripheral? Maybe offer to try again automatically. Jeez.
 
I agree. It’s not great that Apple are struggling with Siri but they only have themselves to blame. It seems they just ignored the problem for years and now they are trying to catch up with something that’s so far ahead of them.

But I think most users just want a functional Siri and one that’s not necessarily based on AI.
Any voice assistant that isn’t LLM AI based is near-worthless. Hence why Alexa, Siri, Google etc have done the bare minimum task-based assistance since their inception. When you have to actively think about what you can say or get a response to then you just do the bare minimum.

A voice assistant will be good when all interactions are indistinguishable from sitting and talking to another human being. When it can understand any context or like a human, when it’s not sure what you mean exactly, and asks for clarification, then and only then will it be great.
 
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Apple is becoming the Sears of the 21st century quicker than I thought.

Too large and bloated to be agile enough to adapt to changing market conditions. Full of cash and hubris. Heck, they even launched their own credit card (like Sears did with discover).

It’s only a matter of time before Apple’s decline starts. It may be 5 years, it may be 10, but baring any serious changes in management things don’t get better before they get worse. And it will get worse.
I don't think I've seen a more apt analogy. Apple really is just like Sears.
 
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To what ? Android ? LOL…then you’re moving to Samsung’s ecosystem because they are the only one that’s viable as a consumer company vis a vis Android. To Microsoft…LOL! They’ve already given up on phones, tablets, remember the Zune music player….right…nobody does. They’re killing off more Surface products. Good luck going there. The Humane AI pin is now dead. So….again….what is this mythical ecosystem you’re extolling people to go to in two years if not Apple ?
It took 6 months of prep to move off iOS as my daily (I still have a 16 Pro Max as a backup) driver and it's been a breath of fresh air. Samsung and Google AI tools are genuinely useful. So I'm not sure what is being said here.

My big takeaway: it's dangerous to be all in with Apple's ecosystem and strength lies in cross-platform app synergies. That includes PWAs and native apps. It includes not being tied down when it comes to billing all running through an Apple Card. I'm glad I moved off.

Especially as it concerns my photos and their care. Photoprism is everything I want and haven wanted Apple Photos to be. It's all backed up too, but not inside a proprietary cloud.

Extricating the photos was the hard part. Arguably the hardest part. And I'm glad I did it. I've lost nothing and gained quite a lot in the process. I have a more modern and streamlined approach to my digital files and my mobile device and the important parts of that equation don't rest in the hands of a company that is struggling on a fundamental level to execute, a company that often lets bugs and inefficiencies languish and go ignored for years. I can't abide that. Apple's priorities shifted and it doesn't overlap with mine anymore.

I found myself nodding in agreement with this, it's well worth a read and more eloquently states the case than anything I can type.
 
So perhaps next year the minimum memory to run Apple AI will be 32GB and year after will be 64GB so doubling memory necessary to run it every year. My 16" M4 Max MacBook Pro has 128GB of memory so should be good for a few more years :eek:
 
At any other company, the CEO would be facing consequences. Apple keeps failing at AI, investing billions, hiring high-profile people, then failing again.

How many failures before Tim Cook is finally dropped like an iPhone SE? How many Apple cars, Apple Vision Pros, and Apple intelligences before investors wake up?

Every one of their competitors are ahead of Apple in this space. Even Amazon casually waltzed in and comprehensively whooped Apple in this space.
 
Every single AI company is actually wildly undervalued. Compared to Apple, OpenAI is worth easily 500 times maybe 1,000 times what Apple is worth. That’s just in the next decade. In 15 years OpenAI will be worth 1 million times what Apple could ever hope to be.

AGI and ASI has essentially infinite value to humanity. It’s essentially the tree of life or the holy grail. Whatever mythical thing you want to attach it to, it’s that in value. It will replace all human jobs, it will cure all diseases, it will solve problems and make scientific discoveries and theories we couldn’t comprehend.

For example, Einstein made multiple theories that science could not empirical prove for about 100 years after he made them. Now imagine the theories AI will make that won’t be able to immediately be proven experimentally, but nevertheless, be true? It will be unimaginable. We will also trust they’re true because it will become clear that it’s highly accurate at theory accuracy.

It’s like if you could copy human intelligence millions and billions of times and have that shoved into a number of large data centers working 24/7 on certain tasks. The advancement will be unreal. The only things getting in the way will be physical experimentation and human society. We will slow it, but even still, it will be unbelievable advancement.

I get that it’s still very hard for a lot of people to accept or believe, but I’d say by this time next year people will finally start understanding what’s going to happen. Because this year a lot of AI agents will be starting to come online which will really get people to understand that this **** is real.
And we’ll all live off rainbows and unicorn poop fumes! All hail the mighty computer!
 
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At any other company, the CEO would be facing consequences. Apple keeps failing at AI, investing billions, hiring high-profile people, then failing again.

How many failures before Tim Cook is finally dropped like an iPhone SE? How many Apple cars, Apple Vision Pros, and Apple intelligences before investors wake up?

Every one of their competitors are ahead of Apple in this space. Even Amazon casually waltzed in and comprehensively whooped Apple in this space.
I ask this too- but I think focusing on purely-financial grounds, as long as he keeps making Apple money, he will be successfully shielded from any accounting for those shortcomings. I could see this as good or bad depending on the goal in mind
 
And we’ll all live off rainbows and unicorn poop fumes! All hail the mighty computer! Bit deluded ha
No it actually will be that powerful is the funny thing.

Remember this:

Electricity changed civilization in almost every way imaginable. Now, you don’t think about that because firstly you don’t even realize to think about that, but I just told you, so think about it right now.

You believe it to be so that no technology can make change that is unimaginably great. Well buddy, electricity already did it.

AI will be transformative on the level of electricity. Nothing else really compares.
 
No it actually will be that powerful is the funny thing.

Remember this:

Electricity changed civilization in almost every way imaginable. Now, you don’t think about that because firstly you don’t even realize to think about that, but I just told you, so think about it right now.

You believe it to be so that no technology can make change that is unimaginably great. Well buddy, electricity already did it.

AI will be transformative on the level of electricity. Nothing else really compares.
It doesn’t really help your case when you go “Well buddy” and speak so confidently as if it were all fact
 
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At any other company, the CEO would be facing consequences. Apple keeps failing at AI, investing billions, hiring high-profile people, then failing again.

How many failures before Tim Cook is finally dropped like an iPhone SE? How many Apple cars, Apple Vision Pros, and Apple intelligences before investors wake up?

Every one of their competitors are ahead of Apple in this space. Even Amazon casually waltzed in and comprehensively whooped Apple in this space.
AI is a parlor trick at this point. It’s not the core attraction of the Apple ecosystem. And don’t forget SJ had failures as well, but TC had a load of successes.

Of course if you don’t like TC any justification to see him go is a good one.
 
Also the energy costs of AI are of ZERO consequence. We need to use ALL the energy necessary for AI because AI will be the only thing that can stop climate change. Humans cannot do it alone in time. AGI and ASI will build out fusion plants astronomically faster.
AI will repeal the laws of physics. Sure it will. AI can build nothing. It has no hands, it moves no materials. All it does is regurgitate that which already in the database. There is utility in searching very large databases, but creating energy is not something it can do.

In the words of Yann LeCun, "we need to have the beginning of a hint of a design for a system smarter than house cat." Cats, after all, have a mental model of the physical world, persistent memory, some reasoning ability, and a capacity for planning. None of these qualities are present in today's frontier AIs.
 
though it is usually based on rumors instead of Apple, I think it is important for Apple never to announce anything before they are absolutely sure it's ready, especially as no one is clamoring for anything AI from Apple.

AI is not ready for Primetime from any company. Great use cases today, amazing technology that will change the world, but not completely there yet. Certainly not from Apple.
 
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The fact that you used no paragraph breaks in that is funny as hell.

AI will soon transform the world beyond your wildest little dreams, of which you have none of course because you have zero vision for its capabilities to do so.

Siri is delayed because Apple is garbage and has no capabilities with AI. They are being passed horrifically and if OpenAI makes hardware they’re done.

Also the energy costs of AI are of ZERO consequence. We need to use ALL the energy necessary for AI because AI will be the only thing that can stop climate change. Humans cannot do it alone in time. AGI and ASI will build out fusion plants astronomically faster. They’ll solve innumerable climate issues clear across the board.

These are things that will be happening. Oh, by the way, AI will cure all human diseases within 15 years. Enjoy. And by the way, the very reason you know AI is the real deal is specifically because the cheaters in finance and on Wall Street are pouring literally hundreds of billions into it. Including the US government. Guess what buddy—these people do their due diligence.

I remember reading an article decades ago that argued that climate change and global pollution wasn’t a real problem, because real problems are expensive, and polluting the planet is cheap.

The assumptions and logic in your comment reminded me a lot of that article.
 
Tesla's full self-driving tech is a great example of AI in a consumer product and it's definitely ready for prime-time.

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Tesla doesn’t have full self-driving….

They have a feature called “Full Self-Driving”, which requires you to keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times…so you know it’s not full self-driving…
 
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Tesla doesn’t have full self-driving….

They have a feature called “Full Self-Driving”, which requires you to keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times…so you know it’s not full self-driving…

That’s right. And nobody has ever been charged for being asleep at the wheel behind a TELSA in FSD mode. That has never happened at all. They always had their hands on the wheel.
 
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