Apple Details Five Patents Violated by Samsung Galaxy S4 and Google Now

[skratch77]

Ladies and gentlemen we now know why samsung and google teamed up to release a nexus gs4.they did it to be able to counter sue apple.

apple lawyers must be in a panic now with a google version sold gs4 is about to come out as google will join the fun now!

 

[nia820]

If they violated the patents, Apple has every legal right to battle them in court. That's why you pay so much money for patents.

Is this really a Mac Rumour though? I suppose when there are no new products for 6 months, this is what we get!

Come on June!!

But the patents are vague and of them shouldn't even been patented.

They are just mad because Samsung is getting ahead.

 

[palmharbor]

I'm excited to see another Apple vs Samsung legal battle.

- said no one ever

The Korean company is at WAR with Apple, telling employees and employees of subcontractors, they may not access iCloud during working hours..an Apple key chain posession is grounds for termination and Apple shall never be mentioned in conversation of their products during work.
These Koreans are serious.

 

[Premium1]

The Korean company is at WAR with Apple, telling employees and employees of subcontractors, they may not access iCloud during working hours..an Apple key chain posession is grounds for termination and Apple shall never be mentioned in conversation of their products during work.
These Koreans are serious.

You would be too if every other week apple is trying to sue your company. What do you expect them to be all cheery and act like nothing is happening? This ain't fairy land this is the real world. It's all about making products and money not losing money, no company will be happy to constantly be in the courtroom; well except for apple...

 

[MattInOz]

As Larry Page said recently, "We should be building great things that don't exist." N

Larry said that but then went on to kill off support for yet another open standard in vain hope of driving the users of those services to the Google+ accounts.

His words seem more Marketing than conviction?

 

[stvon11]

Screw this

This seriously is beginning to turn me off on apple. Yes they have the best AppStore but I'm sad to admit that's about it now... Is there a yearly award for highest lawsuit to innovation ratio?

 

[Liquorpuki]

Sortakinda, but not really. The easiest thing for Apple to do would be to go after a smaller OEM that isn't as capable of fielding a decent defense. If Apple wins, they have instant legal precedence for the validity of their patent. That'd make any case they'd bring against a larger OEM over the same patent that much more difficult to fight against.

They tried to do this by going after HTC first but they screwed up and didn't get any meaningful legal precedence. Then Motorola went after them, and afterwards they went after Samsung. And I take back what I said about LG. They're not gonna go after companies that could bring a strong countersuit, so they're not gonna touch LG or Sony.

So who would they sue? Only company I can think of is Amazon but they don't even make a phone

 

[subsonix]

These lawsuits are basically a weapon for Apple to indirectly attack Google. And they're gonna keep doing it as long as Android dominates the market

Except, they have been at it since Steve Jobs mentioned that he intended to start Thermonuclear war. Long before Android had any market share to talk about.

 

[kis]

Except, they have been at it since Steve Jobs mentioned that he intended to start Thermonuclear war. Long before Android had any market share to talk about.

The thermonuclear thing started in 2011 - at that time, Android was at 30% market share.

 

[cemoz101]

So lame Apple. You used to be about innovation, now you are simply crying in the courtroom.

Start being creative outside the juristic system.

 

[subsonix]

The thermonuclear thing started in 2011 - at that time, Android was at 30% market share.

Ok then, it got known because of Isaacson's book, but I think the quote genuinely reflected how he felt about it:

I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this.

 

[GoodWatch]

The Korean company is at WAR with Apple, telling employees and employees of subcontractors, they may not access iCloud during working hours..an Apple key chain posession is grounds for termination and Apple shall never be mentioned in conversation of their products during work.
These Koreans are serious.

Source?

 

[blackcrayon]

Geofencing: nope. And iOS was one of the few mobile OSs that actually didn't have a voice assistant when it was first launched. Blackberry'd had one for years and Google also had it before Apple decided to intro it to iOS

Can you show me the Geofencing API in Android and when it was released? I was trying to find a history of it but "nope" wasn't much help... They announced adding one a couple of weeks ago at their IO conference while iOS had it since version 6. In any case you missed the point of my post. Apple had voice assistant features before Google and Blackberry/RIM existed- I was referring to a history of use of a technology and why saying something was "first" is hard to pin down depending on how specific you're trying to be.

 

[Winni]

It seems like after the passing of Jobs, they have gone downhill. Cook just doesn't seem to have the same intentions for the company and maintaining the greatness that used to be associated with apple.

Jobs was a designer. Cook is an accountant. Any more questions why things are so different now?

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Ok then, it got known because of Isaacson's book, but I think the quote genuinely reflected how he felt about it:

Yeah, but isn't that quote as hypocritical as it gets when it comes from the man who also said this in an interview that you can still find on YouTube: "(Quoting Picasso 'Good artists copy, great artists steal.' At Apple, we've always been shameless about stealing."

So it was only okay when he stole from others, but like any other common thief, he freaked out when someone tried to steal from him. And it's even more ironic when you look at all those features that Android had long before Apple came out with its ripped off versions for iOS.

Anyway, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter. Apple had its moment of glory, but as always, the open platforms succeed over the closed platforms.

 

[Wingsy]

The patent descriptions sound so vague. I'm not saying that Samsung is the white-hat in this, but there has to be a line when it comes to technology. Patenting "auto complete" and suing because of it is just a jerk thing to do.

So they patented:

universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system
Looking up information on a computer system. Really? I'm pretty sure all computers do that. Even old less-smart phones had a search to get contacts and such. It just wasn't one-textbox to search everything-at-once. BUT... computers and PIM's have been doing that for years.

graphical user interface using historical lists with field classes
Auto-complete showing historic entries. Really? Every browser since 1995 does that. Heck even some old less-smart phones did that.

asynchronous data synchronization amongst devices
Your device syncs up with other similar devices via a cloud or something. Not really innovation.

System and method for performing an action on a structure in computer-generated data
This is the only one I can't tell what they're saying. From a larger description it sounds like passing data-structure to a server, using that structured data to do something, and return it. That sounds like old-hat stuff as well, but I could be reading it incorrectly.

So, you look at the patent tittles and assume you know exactly what is in the patent. The patent office sure could get out of their backlogs if you worked there.

 

[subsonix]

Yeah, but isn't that quote as hypocritical as it gets when it comes from the man who also said this in an interview that you can still find on YouTube: "(Quoting Picasso 'Good artists copy, great artists steal.' At Apple, we've always been shameless about stealing."

I'm just saying that is what the man said, it's not some new direction Apple has taken recently, that is all.

Anyway, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter. Apple had its moment of glory, but as always, the open platforms succeed over the closed platforms.

Always? Well that is nonsense. But we will have to see how Ubuntu for phones and Firefox OS fares I guess.

In fact, do you have any example of this being the case historically?

 

[samcraig]

Except, they have been at it since Steve Jobs mentioned that he intended to start Thermonuclear war. Long before Android had any market share to talk about.

The thermonuclear thing started in 2011 - at that time, Android was at 30% market share.

Steve could see the writing on the wall. He had the same scenario with Windows. Steve knew that Apple doesn't license their OS. So if another company has a viable OS and is giving it away "free" to OEMs - then it's only a matter of time. And at that time 30% was climbing at a regular pace.

People can pretend that Apple or management isn't afraid of Google or Android - but it clearly wasn't nor isn't so.

 

[thehustleman]

Yeah well, you don't remember Steve is the one who started all this patent war?

If anything, Cook is a CEO with better personality who ease off on Apple's arrogance and lead it to being a nicer and friendlier company.

You wouldn't find Steve apologize to anyone for ever releasing a dud product.
Oh yes, Steve released a handful of lemons too. Time to blame him, no

Jobs was a real @$$h0l3. I found that out reading his book which should have been called "jobs was furious"

 

[subsonix]

People can pretend that Apple or management isn't afraid of Google or Android - but it clearly wasn't nor isn't so.

People have no idea if this is, or isn't the case. I don't see how pretending anything would make any difference what so ever.

 

[samcraig]

People have no idea if this is, or isn't the case. I don't see how pretending anything would make any difference what so ever.

I disagree. Considering what is said on stage in keynotes, Apple's website, interviews and so on - it's clear that Apple sees Google and Android as true competition. And I don't think you need to be a therapist to read into Steve's comment about going thermonuclear.

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Jobs was a real @$$h0l3. I found that out reading his book which should have been called "jobs was furious"

(and cried a lot)

 

[subsonix]

I disagree.

Ok

 

[kdarling]

System and method for performing an action on a structure in computer-generated data
This is the only one I can't tell what they're saying.

This is the one about recognizing data such as phone numbers inside of text, and popping up a menu of possible actions if you click on it.

Yes, it's obvious.

Yes, phone numbers were recognized by Borland Sidekick back in the 1980s, a decade and a half before Apple got a patent on a more general idea.

Yes, we're all hoping this patent gets invalidated.

Yes, software patents need to be unobtainable in the US, as they are in other countries.

 

[samcraig]

So it was only okay when he stole from others, but like any other common thief, he freaked out when someone tried to steal from him.

I said this when the statement was made public. I truly believe that part of his extreme response was due to his illness. But even if you don't factor that in - Google and Android was playing out very similar to Jobs as Microsoft and Windows did back in the 80s. It would be hard for anyone - let alone someone with such a healthy ego, to ignore pent up feelings from the past. I can imagine some of his internal dialogue centering around not going through this crap AGAIN. Especially since Apple was in a much stronger position than it was back in the 80s

 

[drumpat01]

somebody make it stop! How many more years are they going to go through this until someone signs a cross licensing agreement.

 

[kis]

Can you show me the Geofencing API in Android and when it was released? I was trying to find a history of it but "nope" wasn't much help... They announced adding one a couple of weeks ago at their IO conference while iOS had it since version 6. In any case you missed the point of my post. Apple had voice assistant features before Google and Blackberry/RIM existed- I was referring to a history of use of a technology and why saying something was "first" is hard to pin down depending on how specific you're trying to be.

Google Now has been using Geofencing for year and a half now. Apple just introduced that in iOS 6