You realize that Apple tells you many times that you should NOT install betas on your mainstream devices. Your fault if you did.
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Apple Disabling iOS 5 Beta Installs and Developer Accounts Over Sales of Device Slots?
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You realize that Apple tells you many times that you should NOT install betas on your mainstream devices. Your fault if you did.
How can you steal something that will eventually be free? The only reason Apple charge developers for iOS and OS X Betas and subsequent software is because the developers eventually make money from the applications they produce. I'm not a developer, and will never gain anything from my £2.50 ebay purchase, other than the ability to use iOS 5 Beta* for a few months before other members of the general public.
If these bogus devs want to sell slots thats their lookout but I will take advantage of it because I can.
Can I also say that I resent you calling me a thief.
Just because it will eventually be free doesn't mean that it currently is free, in fact, it currently is NOT free. Currently, it costs $99 a year to gain access to. If you're using it without paying, then it's theft. Plain and simple. There is no fine line or anything, it's simple facts. Once it IS free, that'll change.
Fine line or not... You make it sound like I've stolen 10 billion pounds from a bank and stabbed innocent people on the way.
Consider your point received and accepted. I'm a thief and a bad bad person. I'm going to leave now, and probably cry myself to sleep (while browsing on my iPhone, currently running iOS 5).
I thought the fee was to be able to submit apps onto the app store, cover the cost of hosting free apps etc.
Cough, beta, not for use outside of developing apps.
Just restore to 4.3.5 and wait for 5 to be released to the general public.
You thought wrong.
Just restore to 4.3.5 and wait for 5 to be released to the general public.
You thought wrong.
This would be a waste of time for Apple to do. I would understand if iOS5 were going to be a paid upgrade for all users, but seeing that everyone with a compatible iPhone will have it for free in a matter of months, it is kind of a pointless hunt.
That might be the case, Yetanotherdave, but the point is I'm not allowed it.
Simples.
The macrumours redesign should have been black and white, just like everyone's worldview!
It's weird how some people have this craze for the newest thing.
This is great if Apple is cracking down on fake 'developers', it's called patience people. Just wait for the final build.
This is great if Apple is cracking down on fake 'developers', it's called patience people. Just wait for the final build.
If you already own a mac when you decide to become a developer, you are fortunate. You also do not represent the masses. The fact that you have a mac doesn't make it any less cost prohibitive for people that only own windows computers.
A friend of mine actually just sent me an e-mail today, asking if the following would work for iOS development:
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=223167950
Now, this friend of mine is a windows software engineer. I know that he has the money to pick up a real mac and start developing, but he feels that dropping $1k is too much.
The fact that the developer account is only $99 doesn't help him one bit. I do see your point, and agree somewhat. But if the goal is to make it super easy to get started, why even bother charging $99? That $99 charge is clearly not enough to discourage non-developers. Yet, the cost of a new mac is enough to discourage real developers.
I'll try to list everything the fee grants you access to, to put it into perspective for the less moral:
- Put apps on the app store (for iOS devs)
- Download beta versions of iOS (for iOS devs)
- Download beta versions of Xcode
- Download beta versions of Mac OS X (for mac devs)
That's what the $99 gives. If you do any of these things (and whatever else I forgot to mention), without paying $99 a year, then it's theft. I know it isn't a lot of money, but that doesn't change the facts.
All I can say is that IF I am wrong by being so excited by Apples progress (and slightly obsessed with needing to see things for myself) then so be it.
We come here to discuss Apple products, learn (and sometimes wait for 'illegally' leaked images of iPhones, iPods, iPads, Macs, Keyboards and so on).
There is WAY to much grey in the world for black and white to stand a chance.
Happy Apple'ing!
I said this would happen back when iOS 5 B1 came out. I got laughed at and told to "lighten up."
This serves every last one of you right. I hope Apple throws the book at each of these devs who are leaking confidential information.
This serves every last one of you right. I hope Apple throws the book at each of these devs who are leaking confidential information.
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Or emotionally disturbed and pathetic.
I'm not sure what mental illness wOuld cause someone to install a beta like this.
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Or emotionally disturbed and pathetic.
I'm not sure what mental illness wOuld cause someone to install a beta like this.
yetanotherdave is right. you can code all you want for 4.3.4 now but you are unable to test on device or submit to the appsore with out paying for the dev account.
How ever Apple provides future releases as a courtesy to their developers to test their apps prior to release of new software. However this is also in Apples benifit as most of the software/apps will be compatiable day one when the new os is release to the public
I have an iPad 2 3G that I use for developing iPad apps.
I forgot to update it to Beta 3, and just left it just charging on the side for the last week or so as I didn't compile any new code in the last week, anyway i've just realised its being reset to factory.
I have a small bit of data on there however, so I hope its still on there, but I wouldn't care if its gone, I have a backup.
I forgot to update it to Beta 3, and just left it just charging on the side for the last week or so as I didn't compile any new code in the last week, anyway i've just realised its being reset to factory.
I have a small bit of data on there however, so I hope its still on there, but I wouldn't care if its gone, I have a backup.
that's how you classify mental illness! are you a therapist struggling for clients?
/checks the DSM, nope, installing beta software isn't in there.
Just to explain this, as there is a lot of confusion: There are NDAs, and there are trade secrets. Breach of an NDA is just breach of contract; revealing or stealing a trade secret can be criminal. Details of iOS5 are a trade secret. The fact that Apple only gives iOS5 to developers who sign an NDA means it stays a trade secret. Trade secret laws apply to you just as much as to any developer.
Developers enter a binding contract. If they don't read it, their fault. The NDA is just as binding. For revealing trade secrets, they "knew or should have known" that iOS5 is a trade secret.
A dev providing a UDID slot is/is not providing access to the confidential information.
I knew two people who sold slots.
1 provided slots only the other sold slots and uploaded the beta firmwares.
The one who uploaded the firmwares had his account revoked. The one providing the slots did not.
So these devs that are being revoked are they providing the software or just the slots.
Brilliant. Tell that to a judge. "I didn't know the speed limit was 35, your Honor." Pay the fine.
Update noted. However your front page discussion of beta license resales have brought public light on a heretofore tolerated practice by Apple which this discussion might change in and of itself.
I have no dog in the fight but find it interesting how many aspects of free-market unregulated (unenforced) behavior are under duress right now.
End prohibition. Let the walled garden co-exist with it. Somehow.
Rocketman
I have no dog in the fight but find it interesting how many aspects of free-market unregulated (unenforced) behavior are under duress right now.
End prohibition. Let the walled garden co-exist with it. Somehow.
Rocketman