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Apple Distributing Safari for Windows via iTunes

Installing software that has not been explicitly requested? There's a name for that. Malware.

I love my MBP, but Safari on Windows is crap - I don't want to use it, I don't want to install it, I don't want it being pushed upon me. A very very bad move by Apple.

Doug
 
But the tick box is already ticked for you. Unless you read each and every single line of text on every message box ( and seriously, who does? ) Apple are being sneaky and tricking people into installing a browser that they didn't specifically ask for, probably don't want and certainly don't need.
 
djellison said:
But the tick box is already ticked for you. Unless you read each and every single line of text on every message box ( and seriously, who does? )
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Of course you should read message boxes. You get into trouble otherwise. And it is fairly clear what is going on if you take a quick glance at it.

There is also the installer, which will appear and make you click next several times for people to cotton on.
 
Eraserhead said:
Of course you should read message boxes. You get into trouble otherwise. And it is fairly clear what is going on if you take a quick glance at it.

There is also the installer, which will appear and make you click next several times for people to cotton on.
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I don't see why it is in the update area and already checked. It's a shady practice. If they want to advertise new software to people, how hard is it to create a second box for that. Separate it from your updates!
 
Okey, I only use windows for gaming now but this is a really crappy move by Apple.

I'm joining the thumbs down devision.
 
make all the effing excuses you want. fact is instead of adding it to the download with a box NOT checked by default you are practicing maleware techniques.

and before you try and bash windows users, enjoy emulating windows to do anything 'productive', buying a version of Office for your mac, and have fun 'gaming' lol
 
skilled1 said:
and before you try and bash windows users, enjoy emulating windows to do anything 'productive'
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LOL.The reason I keep Windows around (in Parallels) is to update the OBDII scanner, to look up replacement parts for VWs and to run a couple of DOS-based hacking tools. Other than that, being 'productive' is much less aggravating with Photoshop and Dreamweaver under OSX.

It's still a dick move by Apple.
 
Kar98 said:
LOL.The reason I keep Windows around (in Parallels) is to update the OBDII scanner, to look up replacement parts for VWs and to run a couple of DOS-based hacking tools. Other than that, being 'productive' is much less aggravating with Photoshop and Dreamweaver under OSX.

It's still a dick move by Apple.
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hence being 'productive'
 
iTunes put apple in bad spot with the name

1st off i do not like itunes turning into such a master control panel. even as it is now, syncing with ipods with the movies and such is nice but is limiting & yes I know i can by hand but they always try to stick it in your face.

the other thing i do not like is the name ITUNES. it was ok like 10 years ago or whenever that was it was started for tunes. but with movies and now this, the name is some what just confusing to new users i think.
but they have the megabrand name associated with it & thats a huge and hard thing to recreate so i'd imagine they are really stuck in a tough spot

pushing software updates thru it is too much. i would draw the line before that. they really need to rename it or lessen the influence the actual itunes app has over certain industries
my dad & brother were confused when buying a mac and having it I remember. the name is perfect for music & even movies if they want to push it but i think that should be the most it touches
 
djellison said:
Installing software that has not been explicitly requested? There's a name for that. Malware.

I love my MBP, but Safari on Windows is crap - I don't want to use it, I don't want to install it, I don't want it being pushed upon me. A very very bad move by Apple.

Doug
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I'm writing this via Safari 3.1 on XP.

Mozilla is no longer my primary browser on XP.

You of course will not know what you are missing as you have exceptional principles that keep you from trying Safari 3.1.

Me, I'm a bit more practical.
 
I personally think this is very annoying.

The worst part is Apple Software Update telling everyone they need to install an update for an app they don't even use.
 
djellison said:
Installing software that has not been explicitly requested? There's a name for that. Malware.

I love my MBP, but Safari on Windows is crap - I don't want to use it, I don't want to install it, I don't want it being pushed upon me. A very very bad move by Apple.

Doug
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Exactly.

Safari is great in Mac OS X, but it's just not a good Windows app.

It's like iTunes and QuickTime - they are badly ported and don't give Windows users a good experience.
 
Kar98 said:
Sure, but all context items all over the OS and in third party apps refer to Safari. Like for example in Unison, you can click on a link and it will open in Firefox. But right-click on a phrase and select "search in Google" and Safari will start up....Hang on...yep. Same in Mail.
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Tosser said:
And when you set another browser as the system wide default browser, this works. I can set everything to open in camino, omniweb and firefox, and it works. If it's not working for you, you should repair permissions first, methinks.
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I have my default browser set to 'Firefox'.

I select text in Mail.app, right-click, and select 'Search in Google' - Safari opens.

I have repaired permissions.
 
TMay said:
I'm writing this via Safari 3.1 on XP.

Mozilla is no longer my primary browser on XP.

You of course will not know what you are missing as you have exceptional principles that keep you from trying Safari 3.1.

Me, I'm a bit more practical.
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Do the thread tools work right for you? For me it sends me to the bottom of the page, not inline like FF/IE.
 
In general I don't like this kind of tactic: introducing Safari in Apple Update and requiring the user to figure out how not to install it. But I think there is more to this story. It goes to the history of browsers and how Microsoft actively worked to destroy Netscape. There is probably a certain amount of tit for tat thinking here. The IE monopoly plagues me everyday because of IE-only web interfaces that I use for work. If it takes Apple "facilitating" Safari on PCs to help chip away at this IE-only crap I have no problem with it. Apple isn't doing anything on PCs that Microsoft and it's minions don't already do.
 
tribulation said:
1st off i do not like itunes turning into such a master control panel. even as it is now, syncing with ipods with the movies and such is nice but is limiting & yes I know i can by hand but they always try to stick it in your face.

the other thing i do not like is the name ITUNES. it was ok like 10 years ago or whenever that was it was started for tunes. but with movies and now this, the name is some what just confusing to new users i think.
but they have the megabrand name associated with it & thats a huge and hard thing to recreate so i'd imagine they are really stuck in a tough spot

pushing software updates thru it is too much. i would draw the line before that. they really need to rename it or lessen the influence the actual itunes app has over certain industries
my dad & brother were confused when buying a mac and having it I remember. the name is perfect for music & even movies if they want to push it but i think that should be the most it touches
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that's the thing, though. Apple is not installing Safari through iTunes. They are pushing it to iTunes users through Apple Software Update on Windows.
 
Stop the whining!

What is it with you people! Seems like the entire internet is going crazy over this matter. You all seem like drama queens not getting enough attention.

Sure, it is questionable that Apple masquerades Safari installation as an update. They shouldn't do that and I hope they will change that. But the installation is not forced and any comparisons to Microsoft and malware are silly, naive and ignorant. The people making those statements are probably the same internet trolls comparing Cheney to Hitler and Stalin. You know what I mean.

The negative online campaing against Apple over this matter is by they way being machined to some extent by the Mozilla camp. Of course they are furious Apple is leveraging their business potential and possibly eating Firefox ratings.
 
TMay said:
You of course will not know what you are missing as you have exceptional principles that keep you from trying Safari 3.1.
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Err - I'm using Safari 3.1 right now. On my MBP. Under XP, I don't want Safari, I don't need Safari, and I object to the assumption from Apple that I do.
 
"tit for tat"

The average person should not be involved in this kind of pettiness. There is no excuse for it. I imagine the market will respond accordingly in time, in a collective memory of the hours they are wasting today.

"Unchecking" what you do not want is counterintuitive in a situation like this. It is base to exploit it.

When did two wrongs ever make a right? Typically, they exacerbate matters, I've found.

OK, off to the park. But first I had better mentally "uncheck" the "Do not not uninstall desire to not get into/and/or avoid uncar accident on the way."

Grow up.
 
Stridder44 said:
This makes Apple no better than any other annoying software that riddles you with pop-ups. And remember, many of the people that will be affected are moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas who will see this pop up and will confuse the hell out of them. This tactic is on par with Microsoft, yet you guys seem to think just because Apple's doing it makes it OK.

Besides, as long as Safari is without some kind of add-on system, it will never be able to truly compete with Firefox (which is why its gaining so much market share in the first place).
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Consent on both arguments, that’s a very questionable tactic – seems to be directly adopted from Microsoft. I would like to receive a message if I have Safari installed on my PC but the update system shouldn’t be abused to push me towards a download of a product I did not install purposely. I could already hear the uproar if such methods would be employed by Microsoft.

A convenient plug-in architecture would be highly appreciated, there is a number of plug-ins from my Firefox-past I truly miss (making it still a mandatory software on my Mac): Gestures, web development toolbar and bookmark synchronization. For each of them there is a solution but none of them works flawlessly like their Firefox equivalent...
 
I read this before work yesterday and thought that it sounded questionable but left it at that.

When I got to work, my coworker called over from his desk asking me "How do I uninstall all this Apple crap from my computer" and I knew exactly what had happened. That is when I realized this was bad. I told him he probably didn't want to uninstall everything since I presumed that he likes Quicktime from time to time for watching videos. I told him for now, just say no to the software update. I hope it doesn't keep coming up and pestering him- i.e. NO means NO and don't ask again.

Anyway, there are so many different types of computer users in the world now that I'm not sure anyone can say what a "typical" computer user is. I think people who post to forums, blogs, etc. have their own idea but it may not be rooted in reality. Honestly, I think a lot more people treat their computers like plain appliances than we realize.

The issue, of course, is that most computers are NOT appliances. Imagine if every time you wanted to bake or broil something in your oven, dialogs popped up all over the little display. Hey, idiot- I know you're trying to cook your dinner- but Windows update has found 34523 updates. Close. Hey, dummy- you have a Safari install just waiting here for you. Close. Hey, stupid- you're oven's virus protection is not installed! Close. Sad to see Apple resorting to these tactics. Certainly hurts their name a little. Case in point- my coworker saying "How do I uninstall all this Apple crap from my computer?"
 
djellison said:
Err - I'm using Safari 3.1 right now. On my MBP. Under XP, I don't want Safari, I don't need Safari, and I object to the assumption from Apple that I do.
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"I love my MBP, but Safari on Windows is crap - I don't want to use it, I don't want to install it, I don't want it being pushed upon me. A very very bad move by Apple."

My point. You said it's crap, but you don't want to install it. So, it works fine on you MBP, but you haven't and won't install it on XP, yet you call it crap without using it.

Perhaps, with your prescience, you could illuminate us on why Safari 3.1 is crap on XP?
 
Safari on Windows just looks ugly. Its look is not very different from the MacOS version (it just adds the menu bar within the window) and that's the problem: It just does not look right on a Windows desktop. The same is true for iTunes and Quicktime. Further, the Apple Updater always pestered me to update but then failed because I did not have administrator rights. :mad:
This is why I haven't installed any Apple apps on my new Windows machine.
I don't think Apple is doing themselves a favour by porting their apps to Windows so badly.

However, I do like iTunes and Safari on my MacBook Pro... ;)

But please, Apple, tell me: Why would I want to install iTunes and Quicktime on my Bootcamp installation? I do have MacOS for that.
 
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