Agree. I prefaced in hopes of avoiding the influx of “but Steve said” replies. Oops. 🤪
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Apple Ditched Plan for $50 Apple Pencil With iPhone Support at the Last Minute, Claims Sketchy Rumor
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There are (finally!) external chargers on amazon now from companies that have reverse engineered the 2nd gen pencil, I just picked one up, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Apple could squash those by releasing a first party one. It then wouldnt be much different from using an apple watch
Might happen in the future. But Apple will be definitely charging much more than $50.
Right. The dangling carrot.
The iPad is the standard for digital artists, because of the Pencil. Before that, it was a neat-o toy. I hope some day Apple realizes how important artists are to their brand. They've been begging for this, ever since the iPhone first came out. Steve Jobs despised them for it, because he hated the Newton. That was Sculley's pet project, and Sculley was the reason Jobs left Apple.
Pencil support is the only thing I'd buy a new iPhone for. And honestly, I'd pay another $500 on top of whatever the pro max price is, if that gave me pencil support. The 14 pro max is the perfect size for the pencil. But will we get it? No. No idea why, either.
For that matter, I'd pay $500 for a pencil that would support the phone. In a heartbeat. Does everyone need it? of course not. But it's the only feature I actually care about. I've bought all of the styluses out there that claim to work with the iPhone and they all SUCK compared to the Pencil and the Pencil-like styluses on the iPad.
I also own a slew of Android phones just for the S-Pens support, but they all fall short, mostly because of AndroidOS issues. An iPhone with a Pencil would be *perfect*.
The iPad is the standard for digital artists, because of the Pencil. Before that, it was a neat-o toy. I hope some day Apple realizes how important artists are to their brand. They've been begging for this, ever since the iPhone first came out. Steve Jobs despised them for it, because he hated the Newton. That was Sculley's pet project, and Sculley was the reason Jobs left Apple.
Pencil support is the only thing I'd buy a new iPhone for. And honestly, I'd pay another $500 on top of whatever the pro max price is, if that gave me pencil support. The 14 pro max is the perfect size for the pencil. But will we get it? No. No idea why, either.
For that matter, I'd pay $500 for a pencil that would support the phone. In a heartbeat. Does everyone need it? of course not. But it's the only feature I actually care about. I've bought all of the styluses out there that claim to work with the iPhone and they all SUCK compared to the Pencil and the Pencil-like styluses on the iPad.
I also own a slew of Android phones just for the S-Pens support, but they all fall short, mostly because of AndroidOS issues. An iPhone with a Pencil would be *perfect*.
El oh el. When has infringing a patent ever stopped Apple from releasing product?
It's only suggested since it often gets the features first, then Apple adopts it to the lower tier products 😊 just speculations, since Apple has done so before with it's Plus/Max products
Those newer iPhones have larger screens that the original iPhone, but the area of screen you cover for handwriting would be more or less the same whether it is a Newton, Palm PDA, original iPhone or iPhone 14 Pro Max. It gets quite painful to write cursive or manually having to correct bad handwriting recognition over and over again on anything smaller than an iPad mini. I’d hate it even on an iPad mini.
I have RSI in different places from using all sorts of gadgets for 3 decades, from mouse to Wacom, from Palm PDAs to Oculus. I also had elbow and wrist pain from writing and typing documentation years ago but very luckily I healed up because I stopped writing those manuals.
So very true. You would pay $500? I will bid $550...
And you are also correct about how important the visual world is to Apple. The Macintosh's color management (which early PCs lacked) is probably a major reason Apple survived at all.
Nobody wanted an automatic transmission for their horse-and-buggy either, but things are different in 2022 as transportation has evolved. Same with handheld devices.
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Jeebuz K-rist people...
Yes, he said it; yes, the context was from forever ago...
Did y'all not see the winky-eye tongue-out thingie...?
Lighten up...!
Looking at it from a little distance: What does it tell us?
Handwriting recognition is not improving enough for the mass market?
SIRI is getting better with text to speech?
Market research indicates most people don't draw things or don't hand write anymore?
Handwriting recognition is not improving enough for the mass market?
SIRI is getting better with text to speech?
Market research indicates most people don't draw things or don't hand write anymore?
Yes Apple has sometimes in the past given the physically larger pro iPhones features that the physically smaller pro iPhones did not get. Personally I considered that to be a terrible practice and hope that they never do it again, unless (unlikely) huge physical size is absolutely necessary for some feature.
The way that the iPhone models have been evolving suggests to me that Apple may in the future (IMO wisely) generally be giving both physical sizes of each phone level identical features. I hope so. [Of course each different level of iPhone like pro versus standard get different features.]
Phone screen size is not the point, nor is RSI. The point is that in 2022 some users (me) would benefit from Apple Pencil2 support on any size of iPhone. In today's world lots of folks annotate or otherwise mark up images, sketch, etc. and use of Apple Pencil2 helps facilitate that.
Note that I already bought a third party case/charger for the Apple Pencil2, so the Apple Pencil2 can work without an iPad handy if Apple ever builds Apple Pencil2 support into iPhone Pro.
What looking at it from a little distance tells us is that many millions of users sketch, annotate or otherwise mark up photos, often taken on their iPhones. Even if true, an observation that most people don't draw is irrelevant when many millions of users could benefit.
Annotating is easy with fingers anyway. Sketching or drawing on an iPhone would be too niche, wouldn’t be worth the expense Apple would incur in hardware and software engineering (a screen that supports pressure sensitivity and extra software engineering cost of maintaining it on the phone). Customers who didn’t want the stylus would be annoyed they are paying for something they didn’t need and they are the majority. It’s a different market than the iPad customer.
Apple is clearly stretched as it is. So many of the bugs we are experiencing across their computers and other devices are because they put too much on their plate.
Your points are well taken. I guess it comes down to how much trouble Apple Pencil2 is to support on an iPhone and whether it is too niche or not.
Personally I disagree with "Annotating is easy with fingers anyway," but that could just be me and my XL hands. And "just use an iPad" is often a poor solution because
A- Taking pix with a large unergonomic device sucks
B- iPads have sub-par camera capability
C- Waiting for new pix to populate via the cloud is far too slow
D- Best camera and best comms are both on the iPhone; iPad is a kludge solution to many use cases
Right now they need to focus on streamlining their product line ups and improving the quality of their software. Then think about new features. They probably have one iPhone model too many, one iPad model too many, and one portable Mac too many. It’s bad enough that their failed Touchbar experiment has to be supported for a few more years.
Agreed. But every year many folks here (not me) whine about the latest device iteration being meh. Adding pencil support to iPhone Pro would be a nice value add.
There's actually a great series on Netflix, I think it's called Dracula, where Dracula is awaken in future after sleeping many years. He walks into this dump of a house and says to the lady living there,