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Totally.

Sadly I got backlighting bleeding on my iPad :( I got the faster SSD and "better" screen on my MBA though ;)

It seems that many here can't see the forest for the trees. Sometimes one gets a better overall picture with the Apple glasses removed. Apple needs quality suppliers and manufacturers. Sometimes the second tier isn't that great. Too bad about the iPad, but it's still a great product. And the faster SSD and better screen is nice to have on the MBA.
 
is it just me or is it hilarious that Samsung gonna sue Apple because of the iPhone 5, when they have no idea what it will look like :p?
 
Apple generally updates their products at the fastest 12 months, and sometime many months longer. Until recently, they were using old tech in their computers. LTD's statement is quite comical.

I get more OS updates with new features on my iOS devices in a six month period than Android or Windows Phone devices see in a lifetime (if they even get one update that actually functions). I would say that your statement is incredibly comical. MS Office only gets refreshed every few years. Windows sees tons of security patches, but only gets an update every few years. Kinect is the fist new thing to happen to XBox 360 in well over a year. Internet Explorer???? Please tell me what Microsoft frequently updates?

Microsoft just reported that after two years Windows 7 has finally surpassed usage of their ten-year-old Windows XP. That would mean that MS has had only three OS releases in the past decade - and only two that anybody actually wanted on their machine.

Let's not forget how quickly MS reacted to the mobile revolution that came with iPhone - they kept trying to sell minor increments to Windows Mobile for years before scrapping it and releasing Windows Phone.

Personally, I think Windows 8 has far more potential than any othe iOS competitor on tablets and I think the tablet market is going to grow fast enough to make plenty of room for Apple and a competitor or two. But please get your facts straight before calling LTD's comments "comical". "Hello Pot, this is the Kettle, I've got something to tell you......"
 
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New math?

I know you meant "billion" but even so...

Apple's FY11 will be north of $100 billion - the last quarter alone was over $28 billion. FY12 will be even bigger.

Last I checked 100 is not 7% of 136.

He meant Apples contract is worth about 7% Samsungs revenue, so if they lose it, Samsung isnt exactly going to go bankrupt like some of the people on here seem to think is going to happen.
 
Or, more likely, that Apple screws itself by divorcing itself from one of the largest and most innovative suppliers.

How come these stupid spats are happening under MBA Tim's regime, not The Steve's?

????? Think you'll find these 'stupid spats' happened quite some time ago under Steves regime .... what are you, a lover of Steve and hater of Tim?
(... Mr Jobs started all this guff, hopefully Tim can sort it out!)
 
I get more OS updates with new features on my iOS devices in a six month period than Android or Windows Phone devices see in a lifetime (if they even get one update that actually functions). I would say that your statement is incredibly comical. MS Office only gets refreshed every few years. Windows sees tons of security patches, but only gets an update every few years. Kinect is the fist new thing to happen to XBox 360 in well over a year Internet Explorer???? Please tell me what Microsoft frequently updates?

Microsoft just reported that after two years Windows 7 has finally surpassed usage of their ten-year-old Windows XP. That would mean that MS has had only three OS releases in the past decade - and only two that anybody actually wanted on their machine.

Let's not forget how quickly MS reacted to the mobile revolution that came with iPhone - they kept trying to sell minor increments to Windows Mobile for years before scrapping it and releasing Windows Phone.

Personally, I think Windows 8 has far more potential than any othe iOS competitor on tablets and I think the tablet marketnis going to grow fast enough to make plenty of room for Apple and a competitor or two. But please get your facts straight before jumping on LTD's comments comical. "Hello Pot, this is the Kettle, I've got something to tell you......"

What I stated was true. He made his point, I made my counter point. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, except here of course. The fanaticism is comical.

He meant Apples contract is worth about 7% Samsungs revenue, so if they lose it, Samsung isnt exactly going to go bankrupt like some of the people on here seem to think is going to happen.

And he told me I was confused! You understood exactly what I meant.
 
I get more OS updates with new features on my iOS devices in a six month period than Android or Windows Phone devices see in a lifetime

Care to list this vast feature list you've seen in the past 6 months? And how much money are you willing to bet that it's longer than the list of features Android or Windows Phones will ever see in their lives?
 
I hope Apple doesn't let the differences with Samsung getting in the way of getting the best possible part at a good price for its devices.

Quality must not suffer through pride.
 
is it just me or is it hilarious that Samsung gonna sue Apple because of the iPhone 5, when they have no idea what it will look like :p?

Is it just me or wasn't there or story running on Macrumors, that both parties sent out legal requests for prototypes to plan their next legal argument?

Maybe Samsung is the reason why you just get an iPhone 4S. Think about it.
 
I laugh at people who think that Samsung would flutter away after Apple ditched them. Remember, Samsung manufacturers more electronics than Apple. ;)
 
Or, more likely, that Apple screws itself by divorcing itself from one of the largest and most innovative suppliers.

How come these stupid spats are happening under MBA Tim's regime, not The Steve's?

Didn't expect that kind of stupidity from you.

The reason that it happens under Tim Cook is that changing suppliers takes lots of time, and Steve Jobs decided to quit his job before this particular change happened.


Until Windows 8 takes the tablet market by storm.

Yes, we are all waiting for that to happen.
 
I get more OS updates with new features on my iOS devices in a six month period than Android or Windows Phone devices see in a lifetime (if they even get one update that actually functions).

I've had plenty of updates for my Nexus S and Xoom bringing varying additional features to my devices (NFC read/write functionality, USB host support, Scaling modes for applications, Keyboard Mouse support, SD card support and more), all via OTA updates.

All functions work perfectly. What made you assume iOS is supported any better and what additional functionality have you received other than pdf exploit updates in the last 6 months?
 
Simple: They don't want to pay the salaries and they don't want that kind of commitment.

that's probably the least of it. there's a reason why the number of companies actually making DRAM and NAND, as in has an actual fab and not just rebranding chips, has dropped to a handful of companies.

Samsung, Toshiba and Micron/IMFT are quickly becoming the only viable players in memory.
 
Apple can have any supplier they want. They are the biggest customer in the world for all of these components. If you believe losing them will have no impact, you are well beyond delusional.

Actually, Apple can't have any supplier they want. They need a supplier that can actually produce AND DELIVER the required amount of goods - and there are not many of those around. This is one of the two reasons why people have to wait that long for iPads and new iPhones. (The other reason is of artificial nature and marketing-related: If a product appears to be hard to get, this increases the demand.)

The situation in that market is quite similar to the satellite communication business in which I work: There is only a very limited capacity available on the market which is shared among a small amount of suppliers/carriers and the demand is higher than the available capacity. So customers only have few choices to make when it comes to suppliers and the more capacity and bandwidth a customer needs, the fewer choices he has. Owning large chunks of transponder capacity is a license to print money.

Back to the computer/tablet industry. Now you come and want 20 million memory chips shipped to you in eight weeks from now... I wish you luck finding the supplier that can deliver within that deadline. There are only limited raw materials in that market, too, and only few have sufficient factory capacity to produce that number of products. And even fewer offer the quality that you need for a high-priced (aka "high-profile") product.

No, sir, this is not like a hamburger franchise. There might be thousands of McDonald's out there - but they are all McDonald's. If you want a different burger from a different franchise, you will quickly discover that there are not that many franchise chains on the world market left that produce huge amounts of burgers per month. In Europe, for example, your choices will be limited to McDonald's and Burger King. There are hundreds of thousands of small non-franchised burger shops here, too - but those are not the places where you go when you are looking for hundreds of thousands of burgers per month. I think you get the idea.
 
Samsung is a very nasty company!!!

I would like to say that as a victim customer from samsung, I just know that it's the most despicable company ever! They really copied Apple's design. Even the stupidest person can know this!

I just want to say "Go to hell and burn, you evil samsung!"
 
for those of you saying why is this stuff happening now and not while Steve was around...

This "stuff" has been happening since Steve was around the first time. Anybody remember, the Pear, the Banana etc.. all copies of the Apple
 
is it just me or is it hilarious that Samsung gonna sue Apple because of the iPhone 5, when they have no idea what it will look like :p?

Maybe you should read before you post. Samsung is planning to sue Apple NOT because of how the bloody iPhone will LOOK. It will have something to do with infringements of patents for certain wireless technologies of which Samsung claims that it is nearly impossible to build a smartphone without infringing on their patents. This has nothing to do with visual design, it has something to do with REAL technology - stuff that you don't see, just use.

To give a stupid example what this is about: Imagine for a second that Samsung holds a pattern on the wheel and Apple wants to ship a new car. Samsung wouldn't have to know what this car looks like - it is going to have wheels, and when you own the patent on wheels then you know that you can sue the company as soon as their product is revealed to the public. You don't even have to know any details of that new product. In Samsung's case, Apple's next phone will have various wireless connectivity features and Samsung holds sufficient patents in that field to kick Apple's sorry ass.

You might get red of the stupid idea that only Apple innovates. The truth is that Apple does not even design new key technologies. They design cases and graphical user interfaces (on top of an open source operating system) and then they take available shelf parts and put them together to form a product. Now those shelf parts that work the real magic behind the curtain are usually NOT designed by Apple, they are designed by companies like Samsung and Toshiba and Intel and many others. They are not glamorous, they are merely the slaves that do the real work. But they are patented as well and thousands of man hours went into their engineering. It now happens that Samsung owns a lot of the patents that allow a phone to make phone calls and connect to wireless hubs.
 
He meant Apples contract is worth about 7% Samsungs revenue, so if they lose it, Samsung isnt exactly going to go bankrupt like some of the people on here seem to think is going to happen.

True, but they will see their net profits tank.

http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsams...nloads/consolidated/2011_Consolidated_all.pdf

Just read their profits for the Quarter Ending March 2011, page 6.

Losing a $7 Billion plus contract will definitely have stock guidance in a heavy downturn.
 
How about the perspective of reality and facts? Samsung profits fell 30% in Q1 and 18% in Q2. The company is in a freefall. Losing their biggest customer will hurt and hurt a lot. A big part of the business they will lose to TSMC is custom fabrication work, picking up another customer the size of Apple is not going to happen overnight or even in a quarter. (if the A6 rumors are true). Perhaps other people will buy the NAND, but if they can't raise their price, they will make less money.

Samsung made a mistake. The folks at the top let the mobile division run out of control. Will they go out of business? No. Are their investors going to continue to take a beating for the foreseeable future, absolutely.

I believe Samsung felt like they could get away with the copying because Apple needed them. I even believe that was true for a couple years. Unfortunately for them, Tim figured that out a couple years ago and they have been spending cash to enhance their supply chain. These things do not happen overnight.

Samsung is a big company. I'd think they have a VP for Memory somewhere, and that VP is saying right now "WTF is going on here, we are building the best memory at the best price and Apple has no complaints about our RAM at all, and now suddenly they start buying elsewhere". And when that VP figures out it is all happening because the lazy guys in the mobile department couldn't be bothered to create their own tablet design, and his own revenue, profits and bonus are going down because of the mobile department, he will put up a big stink and at some point we'll see what is more important for the company. At least that will be Apple's intention.
 
You might get red of the stupid idea that only Apple innovates. The truth is that Apple does not even design new key technologies. They design cases and graphical user interfaces (on top of an open source operating system) and then they take available shelf parts and put them together to form a product. Now those shelf parts that work the real magic behind the curtain are usually NOT designed by Apple, they are designed by companies like Samsung and Toshiba and Intel and many others. They are not glamorous, they are merely the slaves that do the real work. But they are patented as well and thousands of man hours went into their engineering. It now happens that Samsung owns a lot of the patents that allow a phone to make phone calls and connect to wireless hubs.

Excellent post, and the people who think Apple are some type of god should do well to remember.

Samsung have the advantage in that they can design and physically make much of their own products.
Who knows, without Apple it may free up Samsung to ship even more devices to customers.
Anyway, if Samsung suddenly had spare production capacity then I'm sure others would be only too happy to have some new devices make for them by Samsung.
 
samsung must be full of morons

Samsung must be full of morons. Why they ever entered the tablet market at all just baffles me. They were raking in plenty of money providing components for apple's products, why would they do anything to jeopardize that? Now they're going to loose their contracts with apple, and they're still going to have a near impossible time to compete with apple's iPad, so it's a loose loose.

I mean, it's one thing for them to enter the market, but once apple showed distaste for what they were doing, they should have worked with apple directly to figure it out instead of trying to plow over them.

This reminds me of Google ignoring Sun's offer to license the use of Java technology in Android for $100 million, and Google basically said, "Nah, we're going to do it without paying you anything, we'll be fine." Now that Java is owned by Oracle, which has a much beefier legal staffing and track record in protecting IP, Google is looking at over $2 billion in royalties and damages to Oracle. Google is trying to tell the judge they only should owe $100 million to them, based on the original offer. Um, I think there's a hefty penalty for getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar.

Insanity is going around for sure ....

I remember watching the keynote where Steve Jobs unveiled the iPhone. He explicitly said several statements which have panned out to be 100% accurate. He said they were years ahead of all the other companies to try to catch up and they heavily patented this technology and will protect it ( insert steve jobs smirk here ) ...

The iPad and iPhone aren't devices that Steve Jobs/Apple had crated in a years time, or two years time. This is a device he has been working on from the beginning. He knew what he wanted it to do, he had done prototypes trying to get closer, but the technology was limiting between screen resolution, battery capacity, processing power, etc. Putting together revolutionary products takes more than looking over someone's shoulder. It's a life long commitment to perfection and looking for it, and expecting it at every corner.
 
Samsung must be full of morons. Why they ever entered the tablet market at all just baffles me. They were raking in plenty of money providing components for apple's products, why would they do anything to jeopardize that? Now they're going to loose their contracts with apple, and they're still going to have a near impossible time to compete with apple's iPad, so it's a loose loose.

I mean, it's one thing for them to enter the market, but once apple showed distaste for what they were doing, they should have worked with apple directly to figure it out instead of trying to plow over them.

This reminds me of Google ignoring Sun's offer to license the use of Java technology in Android for $100 million, and Google basically said, "Nah, we're going to do it without paying you anything, we'll be fine." Now that Java is owned by Oracle, which has a much beefier legal staffing and track record in protecting IP, Google is looking at over $2 billion in royalties and damages to Oracle. Google is trying to tell the judge they only should owe $100 million to them, based on the original offer. Um, I think there's a hefty penalty for getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar.

Insanity is going around for sure ....

I remember watching the keynote where Steve Jobs unveiled the iPhone. He explicitly said several statements which have panned out to be 100% accurate. He said they were years ahead of all the other companies to try to catch up and they heavily patented this technology and will protect it ( insert steve jobs smirk here ) ...

The iPad and iPhone aren't devices that Steve Jobs/Apple had crated in a years time, or two years time. This is a device he has been working on from the beginning. He knew what he wanted it to do, he had done prototypes trying to get closer, but the technology was limiting between screen resolution, battery capacity, processing power, etc. Putting together revolutionary products takes more than looking over someone's shoulder. It's a life long commitment to perfection and looking for it, and expecting it at every corner.

Samsung will be fine. The "huge" $7B contract is nothing to them. They had 117B in revenue in 2009.

If this contract is slowly phased out, so that they lose 1-2B/year ... it's nothing compared to what they gained in:

1. Demonstrating that they could supply memory to a leading company such as Apple on time and at high demand.

2. The lack of development time/investment that it took Jobs to get everything off the ground.

Personally, it's a good business decision and Samsung is handling the situation properly.
 
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