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I don't know of any other OS X.
I count iOS as iOS. Although maybe Apple would beg to differ...
Good Guy Apple for giving away Snow Leopard IMO.
I like Lion a lot. I did have to upgrade the RAM on my MacBook Pro and Mini to 8GB+ to really feel a similar speed to Snow Leopard tho. If you have any Sandy Bridge based Mac that takes laptop memory (iMac, MBP, MacMini) you can use this RAM to upgrade to 16GB.
I also like iCloud. I think the features are too subtle for most users to really say "ZOMGWOW". I use the notes in Mail to sync lists to my phone, I like the bookmark syncing, PhotoStream saves me a lot of time, etc. If they keep making the features this "hands off", it'll be one of those sticky features of Mac that makes users want to stay cause it just works. The Webpage works well, but I wish it was a total replacement for Google Docs.
I didn't think I would, but I use Launchpad all the time. I don't even know why, I just like pinching the touchpad and finding the app. I still use the Dock for 80% of my Apps, but when I need Disk Utility or Network, I use Launchpad. I'm looking forward to Launchpad having the "type to search" feature like Fedora or Ubuntu's latest app finder.
I run a lot of Virtual Machines on my Laptop for development purposes, so multiple desktops is a great feature. The best part is being able to run the VM in fullscreen on its own desktop, then using three fingers up to slide the fulscreen VM away, and move back to my IDE with no alt tabbing. I also like the fullscreen mode for Mail and so forth. I really wish the IDE I use for work had a fullscreen mode. I also wish I could fullscreen mode an app or assign a desktop to a secondary monitor and have my normal desktop on the main monitor, but if this is possible I can't figure out how.
All in all, I'm glad I'm on Lion even though I can't play Diablo II on it.
I like Lion a lot. I did have to upgrade the RAM on my MacBook Pro and Mini to 8GB+ to really feel a similar speed to Snow Leopard tho. If you have any Sandy Bridge based Mac that takes laptop memory (iMac, MBP, MacMini) you can use this RAM to upgrade to 16GB.
I also like iCloud. I think the features are too subtle for most users to really say "ZOMGWOW". I use the notes in Mail to sync lists to my phone, I like the bookmark syncing, PhotoStream saves me a lot of time, etc. If they keep making the features this "hands off", it'll be one of those sticky features of Mac that makes users want to stay cause it just works. The Webpage works well, but I wish it was a total replacement for Google Docs.
I didn't think I would, but I use Launchpad all the time. I don't even know why, I just like pinching the touchpad and finding the app. I still use the Dock for 80% of my Apps, but when I need Disk Utility or Network, I use Launchpad. I'm looking forward to Launchpad having the "type to search" feature like Fedora or Ubuntu's latest app finder.
I run a lot of Virtual Machines on my Laptop for development purposes, so multiple desktops is a great feature. The best part is being able to run the VM in fullscreen on its own desktop, then using three fingers up to slide the fulscreen VM away, and move back to my IDE with no alt tabbing. I also like the fullscreen mode for Mail and so forth. I really wish the IDE I use for work had a fullscreen mode. I also wish I could fullscreen mode an app or assign a desktop to a secondary monitor and have my normal desktop on the main monitor, but if this is possible I can't figure out how.
All in all, I'm glad I'm on Lion even though I can't play Diablo II on it.
No. Not true at all. You put the shared file in your pubic dropbox folder then control-click to "dropbox" and hit "copy public link". From there just send the link to those who you want to share it with. All they have to do is click the link.
They also removed the ability to flush bookmarks (overwrite MM with bookmarks on this computer, or the opposite). Now they only have merge. I never have been able to get bookmarks working properly between my Macs and iPhone. and they removed the capability to see the bookmarks online with MM. Things are just getting worse with the Apple cloud services, not better, Why can't Apple ever get it right? They need to hire somebody to manage their cloud design that actually knows what they are doing.
I'm getting less impressed by iCloud. My notes aren't syncing. Calendars are still a mess. And the other day I got a notice that my iPhone will no longer back up to iCloud because I'm out of room. The only thing I've used that storage for is my iPhone backup. So if Apple's service can't even handle an iPhone backup (which is what it's supposed to be for), it's not very useful.
Wow...... What a steaming pile of FAIL.
There is NOTHING Apple can do to convince me to put Lion on my Mac Pro.
They need to do the right thing and release 10.6.9 with iCloud support. Windows users can use it but SL users are out in the cold??? That's not right.
There is NOTHING Apple can do to convince me to put Lion on my Mac Pro.
They need to do the right thing and release 10.6.9 with iCloud support. Windows users can use it but SL users are out in the cold??? That's not right.
If you recall, if you were an iOS developer they made iCloud available for Snow Leopard so you could test it with iOS 5. Besides a few slight bugs it worked just fine. Of course shortly before Lion was released it was no longer available.
Point is, it can be done because it HAS been done. Why the short memories?
Point is, it can be done because it HAS been done. Why the short memories?
iCloud and unsupported OS's
As a MM user who has upgraded to iCloud, first I'd like to say that it is a nice system -aside from the loss of some features and it's eccentricities- especially since it's free.
On that note, at least for those with access to a computer with lion and who are using iCloud, getting it to work with unsupported OS's is actually really easy. For example, I've connected it (Calendar and E-mail) to my iPhone 3G running iOS4 and my Japanese Android running 2.3.4! I'm sure getting it to work with SL or even Leopard or Tiger wouldn't be too much of a stretch. That said, you won't have the integration you would get with MM or with iCloud and Lion/ML.
I haven't had too much luck with the Contacts, so I just use a Google account instead, and it works beautifully. If only Google calendar worked so well. . . but that's another story.
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Basically this is all you should need for your contacts and calendar:
Contact server: https://p02-contacts.icloud.com:443/[uniqueid]/carddavhome
Calendar server: https://p02-caldav.icloud.com:443/[uniqueid]/principal
Your unique iCloud ID can be found in Lion at ~/Library/Application Support/AddressBook/Sources/[iCloud Account ID]/Configuration.plist.
*When inputing your information, make sure to remove the brackets:
e.g. "https://p02-contacts.icloud.com:443/010100101010101/carddavhome"
Also, the server doesn't have to be 02, and it would probably be best to use the one that shows up in the Config plist.
For your e-mail it's just a basic imap setup:
Host Name = p02-imap.mail.me.com
Username = your email excluding @me.com
Outgoing mail server = smtp.me.com
Again, the server doesn't have to be 02, for example you could use 04, or 08 instead.
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I would suspect that if you can only obtain temporary access to a computer with Lion, your best bet would be to create a temporary account and then delete it after you get the information you need. Then, you can use use the iCloud.com web based services to manage everything. However, I have no idea how this actually works in practice.
Hope that helps!
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On another note, I really dislike the fact that iCloud cannot simultaneously sync with other services like MM could. Restoring that ability along with some of the Mac centric features and adding functionality to the current repertoire of options would really make iCloud a world class system. As it stands right now, it's a nice baseline, but it needs work.
Also, it shouldn't be that difficult to at least make a stand alone syncing application for SL and Leopard, or Tiger for that matter. . . Perhaps if enough users complained to Apple they might do something, but I'm a little disillusioned with their whole approach to getting people to upgrade to iCloud. Nothing against offering a free copy of SL though, at least they got that part right!
As a MM user who has upgraded to iCloud, first I'd like to say that it is a nice system -aside from the loss of some features and it's eccentricities- especially since it's free.
On that note, at least for those with access to a computer with lion and who are using iCloud, getting it to work with unsupported OS's is actually really easy. For example, I've connected it (Calendar and E-mail) to my iPhone 3G running iOS4 and my Japanese Android running 2.3.4! I'm sure getting it to work with SL or even Leopard or Tiger wouldn't be too much of a stretch. That said, you won't have the integration you would get with MM or with iCloud and Lion/ML.
I haven't had too much luck with the Contacts, so I just use a Google account instead, and it works beautifully. If only Google calendar worked so well. . . but that's another story.
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Basically this is all you should need for your contacts and calendar:
Contact server: https://p02-contacts.icloud.com:443/[uniqueid]/carddavhome
Calendar server: https://p02-caldav.icloud.com:443/[uniqueid]/principal
Your unique iCloud ID can be found in Lion at ~/Library/Application Support/AddressBook/Sources/[iCloud Account ID]/Configuration.plist.
*When inputing your information, make sure to remove the brackets:
e.g. "https://p02-contacts.icloud.com:443/010100101010101/carddavhome"
Also, the server doesn't have to be 02, and it would probably be best to use the one that shows up in the Config plist.
For your e-mail it's just a basic imap setup:
Host Name = p02-imap.mail.me.com
Username = your email excluding @me.com
Outgoing mail server = smtp.me.com
Again, the server doesn't have to be 02, for example you could use 04, or 08 instead.
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I would suspect that if you can only obtain temporary access to a computer with Lion, your best bet would be to create a temporary account and then delete it after you get the information you need. Then, you can use use the iCloud.com web based services to manage everything. However, I have no idea how this actually works in practice.
Hope that helps!
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On another note, I really dislike the fact that iCloud cannot simultaneously sync with other services like MM could. Restoring that ability along with some of the Mac centric features and adding functionality to the current repertoire of options would really make iCloud a world class system. As it stands right now, it's a nice baseline, but it needs work.
Also, it shouldn't be that difficult to at least make a stand alone syncing application for SL and Leopard, or Tiger for that matter. . . Perhaps if enough users complained to Apple they might do something, but I'm a little disillusioned with their whole approach to getting people to upgrade to iCloud. Nothing against offering a free copy of SL though, at least they got that part right!
your avatar is NO iCloud but your asking apple to update so you can use it on SL
they stil makes those things
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it can be done, but every "new" OS for every platform can essentially just be a free update to the previous OS.
There would be no market to sell OS' if everything was just a free update
without even looking im sure they sold about 1 million copies of Lion at @29.99
so now after taking this 30 million+ from its customers, apple should just add the main new feature to its previous OS?
There's Vidéotron (QC) and Shaw (West). But I get your point.
I have 120GB limit and still have to pay for extra... 2 AppleTV with NetFlix and iTMS movies... Still cheaper than having cable on top of my Internet, though.
This is probably the biggest miss on Apple's part. Why they took away the ability to choose between a fresh sync vs. merging and also removing the ability to see your bookmarks online is a huge mystery to me. There is a work around but that is supposed to be what M$ is about, not Apple. I don't mind Apple trying to oversimplify things for the technically challenged -- I know many. But I don't get why they don't sweep the options into an "advanced" menu.
Try Notational Velocity (Mac) + Simplenote (iOS). Very basic but works nearly instantly. Notes is horrible.
As for iCloud backup, yes it's a complete cash cow for Apple. 5GB is worthless for an iPhone backup and even more worthless if you have an iPhone and iPad. You have to pony up for more GB that's really a waste of $ since it's not really free access storage like iDisk was or Dropbox is. I just stick with Syncing via Mac. It's faster too.
Yup, and Apple claims Lion is their best selling OS to date. Hmmm, could it be because people who had MM accounts or iOS devices with iCloud accounts had no choice but to "upgrade" to Lion in order to keep using their [now] iCloud accounts? All new Macs ship with Lion, and with a $29 price point, many people got it, whether they liked it or not. Those figures are misleading, doesn't mean people like it, just means it's running on a lot of Mac's as people had little choice.
I would dissagree
it gave my aging MBP new life I really hated snow leopard but love lion. Granted I did everything from clean install and had no issues at all. Issues i had in the past was that i found snow leopard worse then leopard on the MBP on the imac it came with lion. To me OS x.5 and OS x.7 are the best OS i used in a long time. I think most people who are having problems are people who are using PPC software and not knowing it in Snow Leopard. Once you ditch the PPC emulated apps Lion Runs 1000% better than Snow Leopard. I find Lion less of a memory hog than the previous OS X. I guess in the end it depends on your hardware rather than the software. Upgrade your Ram to 4 gig or higher and Lion will run fine. Things like Photoshop and Aperture which i use alot are alot faster in Lion then in SL - Aperture used to crash alot in SL and was debating to going back to light room but once i upgraded to Lion the crashes stopped. After you install download xScan (15 day free demo) and it will give you a list software not compatible with Lion - you just got to each of the files and delete them thus your issues with PPC programs is over. Just upgraded another newer MBP to Lion and went without a hitch. Before installing Lion went through and checked all 3rd party software to make sure it was Lion compatible if it was not then we upgraded it to newer version or removed it completely. We ran xScan and missed 7 items from Adobe CS3 and removed them manually and thus no issues at all. The person actually liked Lions features better than SL and is not having less system issues than before.
The NUMBER 1 Problem from people who move from SL to Lion is they fail to prepare their computers for the upgrade. The upgrade blindly and hope for the best. The man problem for those who upgrade is legacy software they are still using under the OS X.6 Rosetta (PPC emulation). If you must use Rosetta then make your puter a dual boot or buy a cheap Powerbook to run legacy software.
I know it takes a little extra time - clean your mac out of the older PPC programs, upgrade what you can, and then when u upgrade you will be happy you did. There are so many haters of Lion but most are due to not taking the time to ready the computer for the upgrade or just repeating hear say from forums but never actually used Lion. I never used OS X.7 - X.7.2 only used X.7.3 and have been happy with it ever since i started to use it in Dec.
1. This is only for pre-Lion Macs, which have the required ODD.
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2. http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...-working-on-a-thinner-macbook-pro-design.html
I would dissagree
it gave my aging MBP new life I really hated snow leopard but love lion. Granted I did everything from clean install and had no issues at all. Issues i had in the past was that i found snow leopard worse then leopard on the MBP on the imac it came with lion. To me OS x.5 and OS x.7 are the best OS i used in a long time. I think most people who are having problems are people who are using PPC software and not knowing it in Snow Leopard. Once you ditch the PPC emulated apps Lion Runs 1000% better than Snow Leopard. I find Lion less of a memory hog than the previous OS X. I guess in the end it depends on your hardware rather than the software. Upgrade your Ram to 4 gig or higher and Lion will run fine. Things like Photoshop and Aperture which i use alot are alot faster in Lion then in SL - Aperture used to crash alot in SL and was debating to going back to light room but once i upgraded to Lion the crashes stopped. After you install download xScan (15 day free demo) and it will give you a list software not compatible with Lion - you just got to each of the files and delete them thus your issues with PPC programs is over. Just upgraded another newer MBP to Lion and went without a hitch. Before installing Lion went through and checked all 3rd party software to make sure it was Lion compatible if it was not then we upgraded it to newer version or removed it completely. We ran xScan and missed 7 items from Adobe CS3 and removed them manually and thus no issues at all. The person actually liked Lions features better than SL and is not having less system issues than before.
The NUMBER 1 Problem from people who move from SL to Lion is they fail to prepare their computers for the upgrade. The upgrade blindly and hope for the best. The man problem for those who upgrade is legacy software they are still using under the OS X.6 Rosetta (PPC emulation). If you must use Rosetta then make your puter a dual boot or buy a cheap Powerbook to run legacy software.
I know it takes a little extra time - clean your mac out of the older PPC programs, upgrade what you can, and then when u upgrade you will be happy you did. There are so many haters of Lion but most are due to not taking the time to ready the computer for the upgrade or just repeating hear say from forums but never actually used Lion. I never used OS X.7 - X.7.2 only used X.7.3 and have been happy with it ever since i started to use it in Dec.
Oh come on, are you telling me people didn't post a lot of complaints in the Leopard/Snow Leopard forums? Back when snow leopard was 10.6.0-10.6.3 (the same number of iterations as Lion today), I saw a lot of problems about crashes and bugs and people complaining about how SL was not a "better Leopard". Same with the Leopard release. You wouldn't believe the amount of Time Machine issues people had. People rarely post about good experiences on those threads. More people will post if they actually have a problem. The rest of us are too busy enjoying Lion to post our experience.
Right on. I too was skeptical of Lion. Now that I've been using it a while, I love it. I see a lot of complaints about Lion that stem from user ignorance. If they'd take the time to learn it, and clean out the old garbage (programs) they've been using for years (there are Lion compatible alternates in most cases), they would enjoy it more. A lot of folks just resent change.
I don't know if people like it but they certainly don't dislike it b/c sales of Mac hardware are at all time highs. Personally I'm an upgrade whore and d/l'd Lion at first availability. I, however, took my time migrating to iCloud. I did not upgrade to get iCloud, I upgraded in spite of it.
I agree. Most of those users should just wait for Mountain Lion. It will be even better still.
I just PIMPED out my iMac by upgrading to Lion
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I do not get the complains about Mac OS X Lion but it works perfectly fine on my iMac. Snow Leopard was terrible on my iMac late late 2006 but once I got my new iMac end of last year with Lion as OS and it works fine and to me Lion is better than Snow Leopard. I guess I was just lucky this time.
Still don't get why Snow Leopard DVDs are v10.6.3! Why don't they ship them with 10.6.8. I mean when 10.6.4 and later came out (before Lion was shipped) They could have at least burned the latest version of OSX on the DVD when making them. Downloading the combo update takes about 90 minutes on my connection.
You're still missing the point. If you are accessing your email at iCloud.com you are still missing out. Apple's Mail 5 app that comes with Lion is world's better than accessing email at iCloud.com
People moved away from native email applications because they used to have poor interfaces and you couldn't access your email from anywhere. Now people have mobile devices with native email applications for anywhere access. And Mail 5's integration into the OS itself has some serious benefits.
So to access email, calendars, etc. at iCloud.com is still missing the point. The native apps are simply better. Web based apps aren't better, they were just more accessible. In Mountain Lion, you can make a change to a Keynote presentation on your Macbook and the changes instantly show up on your iPhone, iPad, and iMac.
You can't get a little web based presentation tool anywhere near the level of a full native application like Keynote. I like HTML/CSS/Javascript but they aren't on the same level as C based programming languages and web apps have little to no OS integration. And with iCloud in ML, the ubiquity advantage is gone as well. In fact, since you need internet access to work on web based apps, native apps actually more accessible now...
If I don't have internet access or access is spotty, I can't access the gmail site and read or compose emails. With native email applications, I can access my email and create new ones with no internet access at all. You end up with the best of both worlds.
So again, iCloud.com is really not the point and it doesn't even have to exist. This will become even more obvious as more and more 3rd party developers start including iCloud support and people get to see how it works in Mountain Lion for desktop apps like it does now for iOS devices.
I just had my sister buy Snow Leopard 2 weeks ago so she could upgrade to Lion.. Should have waited a little longer so I would have known about this..
Nope, you should have upgrade 2 years ago and already many months go to Lion. Upgrade is good