Then you must work with a bunch of jerks. Because my own experience has been the exact opposite.
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Apple Employees Continue to Fight Return to Campuses and Push for Better Remote Working Options
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Then you must work with a bunch of jerks. Because my own experience has been the exact opposite.
And yet in college you had fun, felt alive and got the work done.
If people are going to goof off to take non-existant appointments, they will do it from the office jsut as much as they will do it at home.
Example. A while ago, I had an appliance delivery. If I was still in the office, I would have had to take half a day off (for the infamous four hour delivery window). Instead, I was here at home, working during those four hours and took ten minutes off (gasp!) to deal with the delievery. Then back to work. No commute time wasted either.
Responsible people use WFH to be more productive, yet more convenient.
They thought they didn't have rights. Now that they have had a year of working remotely, they believe they have rights and that if Apple won't accommodate, they will find a better job elsewhere, which they will.
If all you are is your career, then go chase it. Some people actually value life besides kissing up to get promoted.
Entitlement? Employees are entitled to dictate their conditions to the employers - that is as long as they know their value. If an employee has no value, he can't dictate anything. Those who work for Apple in Cupertino are the cream of the crop. Those of them who demand the accommodation from Apple know darn well that there are other high-tech companies that pay better than Apple who are salivating at the thought of hiring them. Good for them for standing for their rights and even better if they quit Apple because Apple doesn't deserve having them. Not with the attitude that Cook has shown so far.
Made me think of the film Wall Street. If only it was produced three years earlier.
"Tim, we have a proposal and we can't wait for you to read it". Their proposal was hilarious!
I don't think Apple's management is impressed though, anyone trying this hard to stay probably doesn't have any better options. Top performers don't beg, they quietly leave.
I don't think Apple's management is impressed though, anyone trying this hard to stay probably doesn't have any better options. Top performers don't beg, they quietly leave.
Maybe they were not planning to work for Apple forever either. Now is as good time as ever to demand their conditions or quit. Good for them.
No it's not the time. They can successfully work from home without putting any pants on. And if Apple refuses to accommodate, they will find another company that will.
Very well put. I would imagine everyone posting here doesn’t work for Apple, so they are projecting their needs on a company they aren’t part of. I would say Apple is in the best position to know what they need and require from their teams.I will argue that it's still too early to conclude whether Apple kept running during the pandemic thanks to WFH, or despite it. To use an analogy, say I am able to still complete running a marathon despite not having trained for half a year. That doesn't mean that I don't need to train for a marathon ever. It just means that I am fit enough that I can go for a while without training and still maintain my peak. Any more, and the drop in performance still start to become more apparent.
Personally, I am still of the opinion that Apple is right to be cautious when it comes to embracing a WFH paradigm, especially when its product design process relies heavily on close collaboration between all parties. I am also mindful of the various shortcomings and limitations of working from home as highlighted in this article, which is also a strong proponent of the "work 3 days in the office, 2 days at home" hybrid model.
What research says about how to make hybrid work succeed
Stanford's Nicholas Bloom says companies should adopt centralized hybrid work approaches.www.charterworks.com
It's easy to point to companies like Facebook and Google, but they are (1) primarily in the business of software, which may lend itself better to not needing everyone to be present in a physical location and (2) we really don't know whether this arrangement will work out for them in the long run or not. For all we know, the downsides of working from home only start to manifest years down the road and by the time it's evident to the company in the form of a slower / inferior product release cycle, it's too late to put that genie back in the bottle because your workforce is now scattered all across the globe and it's not feasible for them to return to a centralised office even if they wanted to.
Maybe the hybrid model is tweaked a bit down the road. But if someone on my team is pushing hard for working remotely, I wouldn’t want them on my team — they are thinking of their own needs ahead of the team. Long term, this would be a problem.
Sure administration was present during office hours. Those devs at home are actually cracking their heads to get iOS running.
It is a tech issue. We have Microsoft Teams, Zoom, Cisco Jabber (forwards office calls to your home or cell) and of course email. We've had no issues with communications.
Thank you.
I think what Apple can do down the road is to open more satellite offices around the world, so employees don’t all have to congregate in silicon valley. But this is a process that will take time, and it’s not something that Apple will rush into right away.
I personally feel that there is still value in the office, and even if you are allowed to work remotely, you should still be prepared for the possibility of having to report back to the office on certain days (however infrequent) and should not be living so far away either way.
If employees are hoping that this will allow them to enjoy silicon valley pay while living in Texas, they have another thing coming.
Apple spent a billion dollars on that monster office donut. I don't see them setting up satellite offices.
Then Apple says adios and vaya con dios. These people are 100% replaceable. A lot of people out there more than happy to land an open spot at Apple.
Im with Apple on this but really people should be coming into work twice a week but maybe a 2 days on 3 days off is better. But I think people should have some more flexibility in chosing their work days. People should be living near their offices.
Seems to be a lot of talk about Silicon Valley salaries, but I'm curious what that is for a (non-management) software or hardware engineer. $200K? $500K? I'm so out of the loop when it comes to worker bee tech money out there that I can't hazard a guess. Just trying to figure out if it's actually livable given the new reality of housing prices.
This is my point lol. Everything *you* have seen. I don’t want to be a d**k, but there are a LOT of other people in the world besides you and a lot of these people have been EXTREMELY productive (including myself) and have thrived the entire pandemic.
Of course your situation and other situations exist where the productivity and communication has taken a dive, but that’s not the case for everyone which is why it just depends on the job/industry.
I agree with you in terms of people making up excuses as to why they’re missing work or a meeting, but then there are people like me who get all of their work done, work extra since I’m in the comfort of my home and then leave early when appropriate or work from another location.
you can be essential to a business and work from home. end of story. one size doesn’t fit all.