What these kiddos need to realize, is that the workplace isn’t a democracy, and that they are not special or unique, despite what their mommies and teachers led them to believe as children.
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Apple Employees Continue to Fight Return to Campuses and Push for Better Remote Working Options
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What these kiddos need to realize, is that the workplace isn’t a democracy, and that they are not special or unique, despite what their mommies and teachers led them to believe as children.
As a former employee, I can tell you from experience that questions including “having reliable transportation or other commuting methods,” and “are there things that would prevent you from coming to the office,” are in the application/interview process. They are in fact job requirements.
Thank you! Being able to work from home allows me to get so much more done professionally and personally. I’m not scrambling to commute to an office or to leave early for a delivery or haircut. My clients aren’t waiting for me to get back to the office in the morning so that I can answer their questions.
I do wish I was closer to my teammates, but it’s alright. We get our work done and do right by the clients.
I can thrive in either environment, but working from home is awesome.
I work for the fruity computer company. From home.
The majority of the people who want to continue to work from home are people who worked in the Apple Store.
Apple gave them the chance to become AHA(at home advisors) during the pandemic so they could continue to receive a pay check, instead of laying them off. I know because I mentored quite a few.
However, things are starting to return to normal, so they are being asked to return to their regular jobs.
There are only so many work from home slots, and Apple store employees are either there to fix stuff or sell.
They need to return to their regular gig and then apply for a transfer and it is warranted, based on merit, then fine.
I can say this. Apple is the best company I have worked for in my 30 year IT career, and if I wanted to work in a store or a facility, I could apply and based on tenure and merit, I more than likely would get the job.
The company made an accommodation to help store and call center employees and now it is over, they need to suck it up and then try to transfer. But to be honest most people who work as phone reps on campuses have been pushed to work from home for the last 5 years. It is only store employees who now realize they would rather be customer facing over the phone instead of in person.
I don’t see Apple doing much hiring is any during the pandemic. They were shuffling staff and maintain staffing levels at full pay when others were cutting them.
Maybe it's my loneliness talking, but if I worked for a place like Apple, I think I would love to go into work and collaborate with others. We've lost the significance of face to face human interaction over the years (And it was made worse with the whole Mask thing) but I think I would welcome it because I would have people to talk to. I can understand not wanting to be in that traffic though, as Bay Area traffic before the pandemic was awful.
Either that or Apple will continue to provide the best products and the others will fall even further behind them because working from home is not as effective as being on site. Home has far too many distractions and 85% of workers have to be well managed at work or they will slack off. Apple is as successful as they are because the managers make the rules. They would be bankrupt if they listened to a bunch of slackers.
If the Apple store employees can return to work, so can they. If our children can be in school, and teachers have no choice, they can go to the spaceship with its wide open spaces and collect that massive check. Or cash out and let someone else have your spot. I wouldn’t give them a trail to risk company success to satisfy a bunch of people who are going to leave anyway. Tim knows they are just bidding their time to find another job regardless. Success is build with dedicated team players. These are not the ones.
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A few weeks of "hours in your car" should cure this...
I don't know if I would go every day. Maybe 3 days a week though, like a Monday, Wednesday and Thursday schedule. Maybe you can alternate with others each week to break up the monotony.
I hope they kept casual Friday in the spaceship. If not I wouldn’t go in either!
Yeah, I much prefer “we shouldn’t forgive student debt because it doesn’t solve the problem”, since it doesn’t even address the costs of college. Not to mention it also rewards people who foolishly took out tons of debt for their u years getting a 4 year degree, or worse, who went to an expensive out-of-state school and then dropped out with debt. Meanwhile, responsible people either didn’t go, or did and did it in a resourceful way so they didn’t end up with debt (like by working full-time while attending part-time).
Real moral hazard, the concept of simply giving any/all student debt holders a pass.
Or maybe it's an employee's market as of now, and employees have more leverage than the employer . Maybe employees already became the big boys when they're ready to quit rather than slave away on commute time and time to get ready to commute every morning.
3 hours/day on commute and readiness. Over a 30 year career, 22,500 hours are wasted on commuting and getting ready. 3hours x5days x50 weeks(2 week vacation/year) x30years.
Half the point is real estate value. The other half of the point is to keep you on a leash. No time for your own creative productivity or side hustles means less of a chance to leave.
And before I get told I'm wrong and the presence for such and such job is required... I'm talking about jobs such as software devs or tech support teams or analysts. Obviously if the janitor or guard or people working on the lab want to work from home, it's pretty common sense it's unrealistic.
Oh, it shows!!! I didn't need more arguments to be convinced people should get back in the office!
Truth. Those managers, whom are either stuck in tradition for work in office, or micro managers, or even modern management style managers, they’re all watching and taking notes. I’ve seen VP’s get ejected during an office consolidation, she lost her window office, whined kicked and screamed. 14 days of her settling down, buy-bye. Seems recent thread today they’ve won until next stage but it’s not something many of them can handle financially.
Software development, tech support, and analysis can all be done from India too.
The only person that drew a comparison of bitching and whining, to women and children, was you lol.
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We tried to do this at work, and we just culture clashed. You need a lot of coordination and very extensive management to successfully embed them into existing workflows, to stay reliable and accomplish your goals. Local home office workers you still can meet, discuss, quick hire&fire, sue(NDA), come to an agreement quickly, put more pressure in case they don’t reach goals in time, etc. Non-native workers that are 13000km away usually think too different and are difficult to successfully incorporate, you would need a subsidiary in India to manage this all successfully. Outsourcing, as often preached by business administrators, is not the key for software development and tech support.
People think that Indians are geniuses in the entire IT world, but that's actually not the case. For the most part, software development is a joke in India. There's little to no originality, and mostly just plagiarism. There's no way that'd fly with Apple. Software engineers in India usually do crappy tech support work, or help desk jobs, but that's about it. If they get lucky, they get an H1B visa to do quality assurance testing. However, at my previous workplace, HR found out that most of them lied about work experience on their resume.
But aren’t we actually talking about Apple Campus Staff that, for whatever reason, don’t want to go back into the office BUT are NOT looking for a job (or hasn’t landed a job) elsewhere? If the person still has a job just because it’s too much paperwork to write them up enough times to fire them, they likely aren’t employable elsewhere, regardless of how much self confidence they have.
My wife works as an executive assistant in Health Care, since the pandemic they let 5 leases of buildings lapse. Apple was silly to build this waste of money building. As were any other company at this point. The world is moving towards remote work and employees are better off for it. More work home life balance. Less wasted time yaking around the copy machine. I hit eject on the rat race some time ago, and I am NEVER GOING BACK.