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Maybe some companies realize that it’s not in the company’s interest to see a employees quit.

Just maybe other companies realize that flexibility is better than being stubborn.

Shooting your self in the foot isn’t a great idea.

Hiring costs are not 0. I hope people telling to fire those highly skilled workers are not really advising the companies to do so.
 
Sorry, but we can't keep living like this forever. The vaccines are out. If you don't want to get it, fine. But you have to live with the consequences of that (including potential death, potential joblessness, etc.).

If the vaccines weren't the finish line, then what exactly is to stop us from continuing restrictions forever? Because covid isn't going away (which means China's zero covid policy is complete nonsense).
 
I find it ironic when I am forced to come in the office all day, then go home and do an overnight maintenance activity, then have to come back the next day, on hardware and software that is Remote anyway.

The pandemic showed tech companies what they already should have known before they spent too much money renovating/building office space:

People can be just as productive from home and revenues and workload resolution were not impacted by remote work in many scenarios.

Office space is somewhat obsolete for said scenarios; it's more cost-effective to offload the cost of rental space and infrastructure (monitors, cables, Internet access, power, water, etc.) to the employee where it makes sense.

My company renovated our entire building RIGHT BEFORE the pandemic hit, and the building still sits mostly empty as people are working from home for at least five of the seven days in a week.

That's two years of costs down the drain unnecessarily.
In NYC at least, the local economy depends upon office workers having lunch and going to dinner/happy hour/shopping after work -- and I have a feeling that's the way it is in a lot of places. This may be the ultimate source of the desire to bring people back in *some* cases. It's sad, since this is an opportunity to greatly reduce carbon emissions and the stress of commuting.
 
Sorry, but we can't keep living like this forever. The vaccines are out. If you don't want to get it, fine. But you have to live with the consequences of that (including potential death, potential joblessness, etc.).

If the vaccines weren't the finish line, then what exactly is to stop us from continuing restrictions forever? Because covid isn't going away (which means China's zero covid policy is complete nonsense).

Be careful what you wish for.
 
Good! In my work from home life during COVID I saw coworkers do "just enough" to keep their jobs while golfing, fishing and skateboarding "on the clock". Work got done, but the QUALITY of work suffered. Not everyone and every position is a good candidate for work from home. Apple has LOTS of work from home positions available. If one wants one, apply and get one. Those that have office positions either transfer to a work from home position or go to the office. Just because its POSSIBLE to do the work from home, doesnt mean its the most productive or the best option for the company.
So, what’s the difference between someone doing the bare minimum while watching cat videos on their phone and skateboarding? An unmotivated worker isn’t going to magically produce great results if they’re forced to sit in front of a computer at the office rather than their bedroom.
 
Maybe some companies realize that it’s not in the company’s interest to see a employees quit.

Just maybe other companies realize that flexibility is better than being stubborn.

Shooting your self in the foot isn’t a great idea.
Maybe some companies believe it’s their right to have a company culture the way they want. Let the employees go who don’t want to go along with the program and reward the ones that do.
 
> Does that means we'll be getting better, more stable, and less buggy OS updates* starting in February?

Not if Apple loses its development team to more progressive companies that don't make people schlep for two hours across the bay area each day.
Only a moron would want to poach Apple's software team!!! They are clearly incompetent. "It just works" was abandoned years ago, largely due to the decline in software quality control.
 
The problem is the open floor plans. No ability to focus, etc.

It’s always pictures of the outside of Apple’s spaceship—nit pictures of row after row after row of workbench desks, employees packed in side-by-side. And it’s the later which is the employee experience. So of course, they want to stay home—they get more done.
Wow seriously?! What a soul destroying work environment!
 
I wouldn't care where they work one way or another except they did really poor quality work this past year and a half at home so for them the right call is get back to the office.
The quality of the software team has been in decline for many years before covid began. And let's be real, the quality of the hardware team has had a massive jump forward in this last year or two. The new Macs are an absolute delight compared to the 2016-2020 disaster.
 
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I don't like the all-or-nothing approach of work from home vs. office thing. If I had my way, I'd let the people who want to work from home do that, and those who want to work in the office do that. If it's a team-based thing, there are many video conferencing solutions like Google's Jamboard or Neat bars. Sure, they're expensive, but Apple definitely has the resources to invest in them.
Yes! Flexibility is king. Personally, I prefer a mix of office and home. 100% office is a commuting drag. 100% home is too isolating. To be able to choose when to come in and when to work at home would be perfect.
 
My company spent close to a million dollar remodel to open plan spaces just prior to pandemic. They had us working from home during the pandemic and some of us are in offices one or two days a week as needed but working from home when we don't have to meet with someone or do some kind of face-to-face interaction. The flexibility is great. In the case of superfluous office space they have been jettisoning off entire floors where people could be consolidated and it's worked well to do that.
 
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Overall I'm pro work from home/remote work for many reasons, one of which is I think it's better to have highly paid workers spread out across the country rather than centrally focused in a single small area.

One negative I've noticed is the boundary between work hours and personal hours has been blurred to the point where for many it no longer exists, it was already deteriorating before but I think it has really ramped up now. Everyone is sending slack messages at all hours of the day and the expectation is you have to engage because other people do it. I think Poland have recently enacted laws that prevent bosses from sending people slack messages after work hours, other countries should adopt the same.

Force yourself to stop responding. I’ve been in a work from home role for around 13 years now and this is a must.

You work to live, not that other way around.
 
LOL, it’s not exactly like working in a sweat shop at the Apple Campus, unless you’re sitting inside the sauna at the fitness center.
Heck, if they have gym at the campus where I can weight train post a long day at the desk, I’m sold! 😁
 
Apple’s software quality the last 2 years tells me all I need to know about whether in person collaboration is valuable. Return to office can’t happen soon enough for Apple.

There is much to be said from working in the office, but it does not mean a better product all by itself. Companies that embrace the work from home model can make things work just fine.

Apple has to, as has been said here deal with people leaving for remote jobs. You adapt or die trying to force a model that people don’t want.
 
There is much to be said from working in the office, but it does not mean a better product all by itself. Companies that embrace the work from home model can make things work just fine.
I suspect the bolded is not accurate and highly variable based on many configurations. A lot of companies will also find working remote, you don’t have establish relationships with fellow employees, the rapport that people like to create in the workplace. Confinement at home, is a very monotonous and mundane environment. And some people like that ‘mental break
where they’re not at home all the time, so it’s not necessarily accurate to say that companies ‘can make it work just fine’, when if anything, it’s just the opposite.

And I’d also wager, it depends on the type of work that someone is attempting to accomplish at home, and the stress load that follows.
 
I suspect the bolded is not true. A lot of companies will also find working remote, you don’t have establish relationships with fellow employees, the rapport that people like to create in the workplace. Confinement at home, is a very monotonous and mundane environment. And some people like that ‘mental break
where they’re not at home all the time, so it’s not necessarily accurate to say that companies ‘can make it work just fine’, when if anything, it’s just the opposite.

And I’d also wager, it depends on the type of work that someone is attempting to accomplish at home, and the stress load that follows.

Each of the points you mentioned here are cases where a company that embraces work from home can make a success of it. Work from home does not mean you never leave, never associate with colleagues, etc, it simply means the mandatory working in the office mentality is not the only method that is allowed.

I’ve done it for 13 years and work in a technical role, it takes work but the product I produce is far better than that done in the office.
 
Apple’s software quality the last 2 years tells me all I need to know about whether in person collaboration is valuable. Return to office can’t happen soon enough for Apple.

Yeah it is not going to improve anything. It will make it worse.

The realty is among the FAANGS apple is already bottom tear. They pay less than the others and they work you pretty hard. That combination hurts your talent pool a lot. Now they are demanding back to office they are going to lose some more.
 
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