what part of 'social contract' do you not understand? it's obviously not 'official.'
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Apple Employees Increasingly Content to Criticize the Company Amid Switch Remote Working and Use of Slack
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Uh I am on topic. Its called a comparison. I WANT more and more discussions going on about work ethics. I DO NOT want the SAME thing to come out that Apple is doing that Activision Blizzard is doing (doesn't have to be the exact issue just SOMETHING going on in the company). I worked at a company that was also treating female employees poorly and different pay was offered to men vs women. Oh but we ARE NOT supposed to talk about how much we make! Its because companies are doing crap like this! I want everyone, no matter who they are to be treated the same. If you want to work from home or work from the office, I also want them to be treated equal.
I very much understand what a social contract is. However, it is incorrect to describe at will employment as a "social contract." Social contract doesn't apply here.
What? Huh? No I’m not sure of how many companies get overseas resources?Although many company’s IT staffs’ have consultants. If everybody is doing it wrong except your company…
Maybe your company is doing it wrong? When I worked for one of the three largest banks in the world, the CIO was very approachable.
I’m going to suggest Apple is probably bigger than your company…I can see Apple’s point in wanting people back in the office.
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Yup, this. On top of that, Apple's overall offers to anything except "superstars" are not really super-competitive with similar from Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc. I worked for Apple on projects x,y,z may be a great stepping stone on resume for someone who will then bail elsewhere. There isn't the cult-like atmosphere within the mothership... Speaking of which-
I think that's the core of their problem. In that mythical place called "the real world" somewhere between half to 2/3rds of Apple's software engineers have already worked from home for 10-15years. This is not new, and began in the early 2000s when a lot of Apple Millionaires (and some with 10s of millions) got minted, and various project leads decided to call it a day and go on permanent vacation, "buh-bye! moving to the mountains." To which Apple's response was, to offer more stock, throw cash at them, and allow perpetual work from home. ...and it has worked out remarkably well. Please note: these are not the strata of people complaining about having to go back to work in the Mothership (obviously).
Apple's big problem is having spent a ludicrous amount of money on creating the mothership ... and now it's just sitting there, with very few people inside of it. The whole effort looks sorta... wasteful and silly in retrospect. Perhaps they can start filling it with robots and holograms ;-)
Sure, many would love to work for apple almost for free (which is dumb) but it’s about hiring the right people. At the end of the day great people make a great company.
This has nothing to do with the article. You're greatly stretching the issue. We're only talking about Apple demanding that employees return to the workplace as they were before COVID. You started making incorrect comments saying Apple is treating people horribly and that's absolutely not true. Good Lord, if requiring an employee to return to the workplace is considered being "treated horribly" then perhaps you should be in business for yourself.
Not even sure why you mentioned this. Again you're getting off topic.
What crap? Apple wants people to return to the workplace, plain and simple. It's the entitlement which is utterly horrible. The audacity of people to go on social media and trash the very company they work for because of this is deplorable and people who do that deserve to lose their job.
This isn't about sexual harassment or discrimination which would be understandable to bring publicly but you know the entitlement is strong when people are trashing Apple because they prefer to work from home. SMH.
It has everything to do with the issue. Employees at Apple are using Slack to discuss the company issues. It has EVERYTHING to do with the issue. I WANT employees to be able to freely discuss ANY AND ALL issues companies are doing.
You also do realize I can apply for a remote job at Apple right. If Apple NEEDS.....MUST operate with everyone in the office, why do they even offer remote work in the first place? Yes, I want every employee to be able to discuss ANY ISSUE they have with the business. Maybe being more open will lead to better employees. This includes wanting to work from home. Not just limited to what Activision is doing. Again, I used that as a comparison. I want people to have their own "room" (slack channel and things like that) to discuss anything they want.
Maybe that's your experience but not mine. I happen to work in the automotive industry and we have about 200 employees at the work site. 90% are men and they work on the cars. I'm around them all day and the subject of sports hardly ever comes up and politics is never discussed. Your examples don't apply to every company so that's not a good example or reason to work at home.
Also has it occurred to you that a lot of people in the world would love to work from home but can't? Since we're on the subject of Apple how about the Apple store employees? They can't sell iPhones, Macs and iPads from home. The store managers can't manage the stores from home. The logistics department can't work from home. The manufacturing can't work from home.
Then Apple should not offer any remote jobs AT ALL....oh wait they do. So how can their business be successful? I even applied for a remote position 4 years ago. So this is pre-COVID where they offer remote work. Yet Apple insists that CANNOT operate without everyone in the office? HUH?!
You guys do realize that Apple does and has had for YEARS remote jobs available right? That clearly contradicts all of Apple's statements that their company OH CANNOT SUCCEED unless everyone is in the office. I even applied for a remote job 4 years ago, so it was pre-COVID.
You were talking about people not being paid equally in terms of men vs. women. The article is about WFH, not discrimination.
Wow you keep stretching so much. There's not talking to you. We're not talking about Apple offering jobs for remote work, we're talking about CURRENT employees that signed up to work for Apple on the Apple campus. Please stop deflecting the subject.
Nope it leads to more self-entitlement just as social media has already made such a s-storm for companies. Yeah go on the internet, shame the company so people can get what they want. If you think this will go well for employees in the future you're not thinking this through. If a company is shamed and forced to doing something when they weren't doing anything illegal or immoral in the first place the employees who "won" will get the short end of the stick from the company on some level.
You are misunderstanding what I am doing when I compare the two. People don't realize that there is a pretty big issue with the pay gap BECAUSE people cannot freely discuss issues they have with the company. So, just like freely discussing working from home, I want people to freely be able to discuss ANYTHING. ANYTHING ranging from wanting to keep working from home, to our salaries to prevent this salary gap from proceeding, to anything even more severe to the Activision Blizzard example. Employees should have that safe space for any topic.
So did Apple state specifically "All employees whether initially hired to WFH or work on site will be subject to work on site from now on?"
Where did I say that? Apple is painting the picture that their entire culture is DEPENDANT on people IN OFFICE, but there are many many many employees that were working from home for years. So why the heck can't people keep working from home NOW? It has nothing to do with the culture, as you wouldn't even offer work from home if your culture is THAT DEPENDANT on in-office.
Are you saying its NEVER POSSIBLE to change your job situation?
Prior to the lockdown there was such a thing as telecommuting. So your point, at least to me, is not clear. Apple post-lockdown, is providing a flexible wfh policy, that some don’t like.
It’s not an all or nothing proposition.
Firstly I didn't say you said that, I asked you a question based on what you said above that I highlighted. That would've required a yes or no answer. And truthfully that IS what you said. I am interested as to why you feel the need to write in CAPS in every one of your posts? There's nothing wrong with eyes as I can see in lower in case letters, and shouting doesn't make me hear your posts any better.
Where did I explicitly state "All employees whether initially hired to WFH or work on site will be subject to work on site from now on?"
I never said that. I am questioning Apple's unreasonable announcement that their culture or the very nature of the business is depending on in-office work, yet has been offering many opportunities from working from home. Sometimes, which in my case I applied for a senior developer position, its not some low level work. So again, why does Apple think they need to force the people that transitioned to work from home back in the office and state its all because of their culture when they offer remote work in the first place? It is a clear contradiction to what Apple states. Either their culture is entirely in-person which means they should just drop all remote work opportunities in the first place, or their culture can indeed operate remotely.
Having had my life turned upside down by people moving 60-70 miles from the San Fran Bay Area, I feel little for people who no longer struggle with bills but have forced the housing prices up dramatically and have indirectly pushed people onto the street here.
Yes, the 3 hour drive is horrible, but so is living on the street.
Yes, the 3 hour drive is horrible, but so is living on the street.
There is no clear contradiction. In fact I challenge you to prove you have the perspective of Tim Cook.
Again there's no talking to you because you keep deflecting words.
Oh now you're changing it to unreasonable? Earlier you stated Apple was treating people horribly.
This is where you're wrong. It wasn't a decided transition. The world had a deadly disease and people were forced out of the workplace until things got under control where people can return to the work site. Remember the world was quarantined? Even the news media was doing the news out of their living room. They've all gotten back to the newsroom. Why not continue doing the news from their living room?
Also I like how you ignored my question when I asked you about other Apple employees who can't work from home such as the Apple Store employees. Apple Store management. Apple logistics. You completely ignored all of that. They were all quarantined as well and had to go on unemployment that paid them less money while these other people you're "fighting" for worked from home and got the same pay.
Oh really what does Apple specifically state? I asked you this and also deflected the question.
They state their entire culture is in-office work don't they? So why even offer remote work even pre-COVID? Wait, I thought they needed in-office work to be effective. That is where the contradiction occurs.