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I'm on the fence, I see the original was the inspiration and they wanted better thermals. I would honestly prefer a water cooled machine in that category so I can have a somewhat sleeker case design that is a little bit more quiet. If I had a machine like this you would betcha I would be displaying it with pride, pro or not, people love their work machines (especially if you are buying an Apple Product versus the many offerings in the PC world).

Until you water cooling breaks and burn out your processor and puts coolest all over you internal machine parts.
 
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As for this new MacPro's upgradeability, The "MPX boards" are composed of a double-width PCIe x16 slot next to a double-width PCIe x8 slot + an added connector for power and display-port lanes. According to Apple, each MPX bay can hold one, standard, double (or single) width PCIe x16 and one, standard, double (or single) width PCIe x8 board. Also, addition power for standard boards is available through wired connectors.

Not sure I completely get what this MPX stuff REALLY is. The motherboard has these PCI slots, right? PCI GPUs go in there (normally). Yes there are needs to be able to feed a lot of power to run said cards. So what you describe sounds like you put the PCI GPU into the MPX, then that goes into... the PCI slots on the motherboard? What am I missing? So said modules have their own power connectors? Is that in lieu of providing them on the motherboard... as in justifying buying something else. Or does one come with it but ya gotta buy a second f you want >2 GPUs?

Storage... yeah, I get NVMe. I get NVMe going through the PCI bus via adapters into said PIC bus connectors. That SEEMS like it ain't possible here... there seems to be 2 NVMe slots right on the motherboard. SOMEHOW the ones they show look like nothing I have ever seen, so I suspect we're talking you can ONLY get them from the fruit. Which is why the machine is limited to 4T... far as I know, the biggest NVMe is 2T.

So where is swapping in industry standard parts? It kinda sounds like any "expandability" comes from their OWN stuff... as we KNOW the kind of prices they charge for supplying what normally is industry standard stuff (like 600 HDDs that were the same as what was on the market for 200). Kinda seems that "expandability" means BTO.

AND what about the rumored transition to ARM chips away from Intel? COULD it be that one can simply drop an ARM chip to upgrade the CPU? I'd find that kinda hard to believe, but I could also be wrong. Think about kitting out one of these machines for 25-30 grand only to find out 2 years later, it ain't the hottest thing anymore...
 
If it's in a rack, you're not going to open up the side very easily. Not sure what's so tough about moving it out from under a desk. I used to do that anyway on the side-door G4's. Not good to service a computer w/ all the cords plugged in.

And why do i need to move or access that much any longer? It does not have a internal DVD or Blu-ray player, if i need access to a USB port I have that on my monitor or a hub setting on my desk?
 
Not sure I completely get what this MPX stuff REALLY is. The motherboard has these PCI slots, right? PCI GPUs go in there (normally). Yes there are needs to be able to feed a lot of power to run said cards. So what you describe sounds like you put the PCI GPU into the MPX, then that goes into... the PCI slots on the motherboard? What am I missing? So said modules have their own power connectors? Is that in lieu of providing them on the motherboard... as in justifying buying something else. Or does one come with it but ya gotta buy a second f you want >2 GPUs?

Storage... yeah, I get NVMe. I get NVMe going through the PCI bus via adapters into said PIC bus connectors. That SEEMS like it ain't possible here... there seems to be 2 NVMe slots right on the motherboard. SOMEHOW the ones they show look like nothing I have ever seen, so I suspect we're talking you can ONLY get them from the fruit. Which is why the machine is limited to 4T... far as I know, the biggest NVMe is 2T.

So where is swapping in industry standard parts? It kinda sounds like any "expandability" comes from their OWN stuff... as we KNOW the kind of prices they charge for supplying what normally is industry standard stuff (like 600 HDDs that were the same as what was on the market for 200). Kinda seems that "expandability" means BTO.

AND what about the rumored transition to ARM chips away from Intel? COULD it be that one can simply drop an ARM chip to upgrade the CPU? I'd find that kinda hard to believe, but I could also be wrong. Think about kitting out one of these machines for 25-30 grand only to find out 2 years later, it ain't the hottest thing anymore...

Been using them for years! https://eshop.macsales.com/ they make things possible....... great company! never had a problem with their products!
 
No, they are using professional level mastering monitors like the Sony BVM X300. A +$30K piece of equipment.

https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/broadcastpromonitors/bvm-x300-v2

Apple's new monitor is little more than an expensive FALD LCD monitor with wide gamut + HDR support, and the market has had such monitors for around $2K at least a year now, with newer versions coming this fall.

I have heard of no such thing in the $2k price range. Any examples? Provide a link?
 
"Apple Envisioned New Mac Pro's 'Cheese Grater' Design Years Ago"

Ah, now this makes perfect sense. Apple became bored with the old cheese grater design, so the trash can was an exercise in self gratification ("Can't innovate my a$$"). So the trash can ended up being a distraction from a reasonable evolution of the obvious design. They just needed to do something different and the trash can was it. Now Apple has to go "over the top" to prove something to themselves.

Instead of a reasonable update to the old cheese grater design (which could have contained the new internals) they had to add numerous and expensive style features to maintain their ego.

So in summary: the extra cost you will pay for this machine helps maintain Apple's ego. And possibly your own if you need to drink that flavor-aid. How stupid.

 
So this is how Apple is justifying that unconscionable pricing.

Audience: gasps & murmurs of disapproval.
Apple: "No, this is actually cheap!"


My feelings are that the monitors are for industry pro users, so obviously not catered to the majority of the world.

This is not a 10k watch scenario. It’s a buy if you need the ultimate monitor, if you don’t, but something else. I don’t see them positioning this as a consumer good.

Happy they made something for the pros. I think the meaning of “pro” has gotten lost.
 
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I have heard of no such thing in the $2k price range. Any examples? Provide a link?

Both ASUS and Acer have worked in close conjunction with NVIDIA to come out with Gsync monitors. Granted, they're 4K resolution as opposed to 6K, but other than that they all employ the same principle technologies: FALD, LCD, HDR1000, and DCI-P3. They retail for around $2K, and are set to be refreshed with 576 zone FALD (the same as this Apple display) this fall, as reported out of Computex 2019.
 
I think that the new imac will take design cues from that new screen hopefully getting rid of the chin.
I think the iMac system is a great system! my brother owns one and loves it, he is on his second model and helped his kids get threw high school. And with his new model with a Intel i9 it kicks butt processing!
 
https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG27UQ/

Granted it's 4k @ 27 inches, it's basically the big daddy of all monitors... it's got everything, including 144hz refresh rate. For 2 grand, not 6.... WITH A STAND! LOL @ Apple

Well, Apple mentioned reference monitors as the standard that they were shooting for in the new Pro Display XDR monitor, not the gaming market... As for the stand, sure you COULD spend a grand on it, OR, go with the VESA mount adapter for $199.
 
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And why do i need to move or access that much any longer? It does not have a internal DVD or Blu-ray player, if i need access to a USB port I have that on my monitor or a hub setting on my desk?

True. On the occasion someone's gonna drop in a hard drive, RAM, video card, etc. seems you'd want it up on a desk. Slide the cover off and you're good to go. I think it's a decent design idea. And the al-yoo-minium case doubling as a heat sink is kinda cool.
 
Just for reference, this is the sort of monitors the new Apple Pro Display XDR is set to compete with:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...m_318g_31_1_true_4k_monitor_4096x2160_10.html

They will sell these to entertainment studios mainly and these won't care about having to pay for a stand for $999, they will probably get the VESA adapter or maybe even get custom adapters to fit exactly what they need so the all outrage about the stand price is ridiculous when you put things in context.

It's like Sunday drivers feeking outraged at the price price of Formula 1 tyres as if they could use the Formula 1 to its full potential in the first place.

That's a terrible example. Those are extremely specialized tires for an extremely specialized use.

It's just a stand. It holds a monitor. It doesn't matter that some people won't care about the price. It's still just a stand.
 
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