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Apple Event August 7th

Anyone else have a feeling we are setting ourselves up for disappointment?

I think the new iMac design is not going to be as exciting as when the current iMac came out. Whatever it is is going to result in a lot of people saying, "Is that it?"

I think the new iPod has far more potential.
 
zub3qin said:
Anyone else have a feeling we are setting ourselves up for disappointment?

I think the new iMac design is not going to be as exciting as when the current iMac came out. Whatever it is is going to result in a lot of people saying, "Is that it?"

I think the new iPod has far more potential.
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There's not going to be an iPod there. And no I don't think it's not going to be amazing.
 
DanB91 said:
but the thing is there is no reason not to make a cheap highly customizable system.
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There are lots of reasons not to do that from Apple's perspective. Two of which are that it kills your hardware margins and makes future support a higher percentage of your costs.

The point of any publicly held company is to maximumize shareholder value, not maximize market share by driving support costs up and margins down.

DanB91 said:
apple wants to convert as many people as they can to the mac platform, so its for everyone, not just for the causal person, or the guy who works with final cut studio.
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I don't believe there's any evidence that Apple is pursuing this path. Apple seems to conspicuously (at least to me anyway) avoid lots of market segments that would lead to at best marginally profitable share growth.

Based on my understanding of the gaming market, the vast, vast, vast majority of "PC gamers" are not the ones going out and buying dual nVidia 8800 GTX Ultra Pro 1GB video cards for their SLI system using an Intel Xtreme X9912 overclocked with water cooling and DDR3-13,000 memory. They are running decent discrete graphics on moderately high speed CPUs and reasonable fast memory all at spec'ed speeds. I think Steve's point was the iMac, Mac Pro and Macbook Pro systems can run games as well as the vast majority of gaming PCs out there can.
 
DanB91 said:
but the thing is there is no reason not to make a cheap highly customizable system.
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There are several reasons, which have already been given in large part, from design to market feasibility to inability to deliver a "highly customizable" product to competition. It's not in Apple's personality to produce a bland, inexpensive, non-distinctive product simply to deliver OS X to people who don't want to pay or have different hardware requirements. Jaguar isn't going to make pickup trucks and Ford isn't going to build handcrafted, premium luxury, Bentley-esque cars. It's not their identity.

They've done the studies. The money to be gained is clearly not worth the massive cost (especially since they can never achieve the price or selection of other suppliers and thus cannot capture those two markets). It's not like they're oblivious to the desire.
 
zub3qin said:
Anyone else have a feeling we are setting ourselves up for disappointment?
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As always. :rolleyes: But we get over it pretty quick.

fluidinclusion said:
Because large organizations (schools, businesses, government) will NOT buy the new computers if they don't have 10.4. They all usually wait 1 year or so before upgrading to a new OS (Mac or Windows), so it is vital that the new machines can run 10.4. It's always happened this way, as far as I can remember. Even the first G4 Powermacs (I bought one) had OS 8.6 - right before OS 9 came out.
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Excellent point. For some reason somebody saying this makes me feel good.
 
ktlx said:
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I think Steve's point was the iMac, Mac Pro and Macbook Pro systems can run games as well as the vast majority of gaming PCs out there can.
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Actually, they don´t except for the new MBP with GeForce 8600M - but in the end, this is just a M(obile) card, not a real desktop one with desktop performace. As for the Mac Pro, the graphic solutions are outdated. And the today iMacs are not even capable to play Games like BF2145, Command and Conquer 3 or Need for Speed: Carbon at a reasonable framerate.
 
TheSilencer said:
Actually, they don´t except for the new MBP with GeForce 8600M - but in the end, this is just a M(obile) card, not a real desktop one with desktop performace. As for the Mac Pro, the graphic solutions are outdated. And the today iMacs are not even capable to play Games like BF2145, Command and Conquer 3 or Need for Speed: Carbon at a reasonable framerate.
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exactly, i dont think steve would have let ea or id on stage if they didnt have the hardware to match it, unless u were to buy a 3000 dollar mac pro. there must be something. but i stand by my argument. whether it will either be disproven or proven, only time (or apple) will tell. i shouldnt have to be forced to use a buggy, retarded OS (windows) if i want to play games top notch, and im sure apple will agree with that. apple has shown explicitly that they think windows is inferior in every way, thus they think that every one will switch over. and gamers are a part of the computer market too. it would be surprising if apple did nothing to appease them
 
Bigger Than iPhone?

If this press announcement is really about a revamped iMac, possibly some mods to software, iLife, etc., and - dare I say - the slightest possible chance that maybe Leopard is also ready, then this will be bigger financially to Apple than the iPhone was. So why is there no media hoopla like for the iPhone? If the new iMac will live up to expectations, Apple will not be able to make them fast enough. Those 12-year old kids in China are going to have to mix some more lead in their paint and crank up production. Why no press coverage???
 
sartinsauce said:
I can't imagine a world where this would happen. I mean I can imagine that world, and it would look and feel like Disneyland. And the US Federal Government wouldn't invade foriegn countries in order to seize their natural resources.

Why would Apple start offering a single sub-$1000 item when they can sell you 3 (or even 4) items at $599 (Mac Mini), $179 (AEBS) and $299 :)apple:TV) for a total of over $1000. Besides, this way they can improve individual products and you won't have to buy a whole new box. If they did what you're suggesting that they would make less money and your box would be obsolete faster. That's a lose/lose situation!
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Fair enough. Perhaps the price point isn't 400 but more like 600. Still,
I do think apple does imagine such a world-domination all-in-one device
for the not too distant future. While you can sell 1000 worth of shtuff to
some people, you can sell cool factor at a lower price point to well more
than double the number of people who would otherwise buy in.
 
daniel851 said:
Wouldn't prices for iMacs dip considerably before August 7th, then? And wouldn't that be the confirmation that Apple will be releasing a new line of iMacs?
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No. Several states have tax hoidays Aug 3-5. The same old prices on the old
hardware will stay up on the website until the very minute that the website
switches over to the new product line.
 
Anyone else have a feeling we are setting ourselves up for disappointment?
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As always. But we get over it pretty quick.
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Some of us didn't :rolleyes:... It was only a couple of days thinking that in the begging I should have bought a dell.
 
wat about calling it "macintosh". not just mac. i feel that macintosh has more meaning and more emotion.

macintosh pro....macintoshbook pro... just doesnt go. but macintosh by itself... maybe.
 
zub3qin said:
Anyone else have a feeling we are setting ourselves up for disappointment?

I think the new iMac design is not going to be as exciting as when the current iMac came out. Whatever it is is going to result in a lot of people saying, "Is that it?"

I think the new iPod has far more potential.
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People were disappointed because of the stuff Apple released. Like the iPod HIFI or the 99 dollar iPod leather case. If they had released some good like iMacs or a new computer then people would like it.
 
mathwhiz90601 said:
Why ever not? I'm using windows right now!
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It was a joke. The guy I was responding to said that you can find out what Apple is releasing in the event, since Europe has internet-cafes, although they are usually running Windows. My comments was basically "what does it matter what OS the internet-cafes are using?"

davidmyers said:
Tantalizing. Who made these? I just can't see the cpu and the cooling fitting
that small though... I like the DVD mount.
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Those images are from an article in MacFormat. They had an article where they talked about the upcoming technologies and would they appear in a Mac. they hired an artist to create a "Mac of the future", and those images are it.

WannaGoMac said:
I am confused. Isn't the Mac Pro the highly expandable tower? Why would they create a lower priced tower that could take sales away from it?
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Take a look at Apple's desktop-machines. You will see that they have a GIGANTIC hole in their product-line. What are they offering right now?

Mac Mini: Tiny, unexpandable low-end machine. Prices start at around 600 bucks

iMac: Stylish, unexpandable all-in-one machine. Prices start at around 1000 bucks

Mac Pro: Expensive, expandable dual-socket workstation. Prices start at 2000+ bucks

If you want an expandable Mac, you need to go for their hi-end workstation. And what is the most popular form-factor in desktop-computers at this moment? It's single-socket expandable minitower. Apple does not offer one. It's single-socket computers use laptop-CPU's, limiting their performance and they are not expandable. Mac Pro IS expandable, but it's very expensive.

Apple's most popular desktop-machine is the iMac. And like it or not, it's a niche-machine. AIO's are not that popular in the grand scheme of things. Most people go for an expandable single-socket minitower, and Apple does not offer one.

If I were asked to design the xMac (the expandable minitower), I would do this:

One processor-socket for desktop-processors (not Xeon). One slot for optical drive, two slots for HD's. 2-3 expansion-slots, no FW800. that machine would basically be half a Mac Pro. People who need a workstation would still get the Mac Pro. And people who nbeed something less would not be forced to buy a Mac Pro that would be overkill for their needs. And even worse: those people might go for a HP or Dell instead, since Apple would not offer a suitable machine. They would just offer expensive workstations or unexpandable all-in-one's. Between those two is a HUGE market that Apple is currently ignoring completely.

And like I said before: Apple could replace the Mini with the Cube. They could then move to desktop-components, and that should reduce costs/increase capabilities. Hell, they might even offer an expansion-slot in that machine, reducing the need for the xMac.
 
OK, a question. Lets say that the iMac will be refreshed this month or the next, whether or not it's a new case design, it will likely not include Leopard which isn't due until October. So the next, next iMac refresh which will include 10.5 will be out when? August 2008? :( 1 new iMac model a year is just too little it needs to be at least 1 every 6 months if not 4.
 
shanmui1 said:
OK, a question. Lets say that the iMac will be refreshed this month or the next, whether or not it's a new case design, it will likely not include Leopard which isn't due until October. So the next, next iMac refresh which will include 10.5 will be out when? August 2008? :( 1 new iMac model a year is just too little it needs to be at least 1 every 6 months if not 4.
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iMac will ship with Leopard when Leopard is released, it's not tied to new version of iMac at all. There might be some small updates along the way, but next major iMac-refresh will probably take place in spring 2008 or so.
 
vandlism said:
Anyone ever wonder if Apple even intended on having an August 7th event? I mean it's been a rumor for the longest time. We all knew the date like it was a planned conference and this invite from Apple was only ever a confirmation. Even then, the invite was a few phone calls and word got around.

You think Apple had an exec meeting and someone asked, "So Steve, what will we be seeing at the August 7th event?"
Steve: "Excuse me, the what?"
Exec: "August 7th...we have new iMacs coming or something, don't we?"
Steve: "Where on earth..what? I've been dealing with iPhones, Leopard and lawsuits every day; when did this iMac issue come about? Get me Jonny Ive."

We should almost name it the MacRumorsWorld Conference 2007.
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...Funniest post yet. Made me laugh!
 
vandlism said:
Anyone ever wonder if Apple even intended on having an August 7th event? I mean it's been a rumor for the longest time. We all knew the date like it was a planned conference and this invite from Apple was only ever a confirmation. Even then, the invite was a few phone calls and word got around.

You think Apple had an exec meeting and someone asked, "So Steve, what will we be seeing at the August 7th event?"
Steve: "Excuse me, the what?"
Exec: "August 7th...we have new iMacs coming or something, don't we?"
Steve: "Where on earth..what? I've been dealing with iPhones, Leopard and lawsuits every day; when did this iMac issue come about? Get me Jonny Ive."

We should almost name it the MacRumorsWorld Conference 2007.
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HAHAHAHAHA!
 
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