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Nothing like the smell of a red herrings in the forums. Your angertainment is pretty boring so please continue...
There is no anger. I gave you the definition of socialism, demonstrated the are 10s of millions of Americans and many politicians in congress who identify as socialist.

There is a pattern here of posters who like to name call, mostly passive aggressively. Please, do carry on.
 
No, what the left wants is more regulation on all those sucking money out of our pockets and destroying the environment while they do so. The rich and powerful have gamed the system so much that the only way to claw back any of the power of individuals is by forcing the haves to give back to the have nots. Democratic socialism isn't communism. It just gives the people more power over the means of production. In other words, it holds the rich accountable for their actions and in a very small way, tries to level the playing field. Take unions for example. All they are is the workers getting together to agree to back each other in negations with employers. The employers have lots of money, power, and lawyers. Individuals just trying to work an honest day's work can't compete with that without a union of employees to stand with. Same for the government. The government needs to ensure the environment is protected as it belongs to all, and regulations against poor anti worker business practices need to be enacted and enforced. Also, things like police, fire services, economic safety nets an yes a national healthcare system should be included in that. Just as you wouldn't want to depend on private fire departments to save your life or over charge you for doing so, you shouldn't have to rely on private healthcare systems to stay alive. Anyway, that's what the left wants. But there's a lot of money being flung around to brainwash the right wing base into thinking that's a bad thing. Hence all the misinformation and propaganda on the right.
And you think government regulation is the solution?? Really? The same folks who go to Washington, enrich themselves and their special interests, all while continuing to campaign every cycle about doing something for the ‘hardworking’ American. I’ll be honest, as an independent/libertarian leaning person, I find it laughable that the very intrusive institution that got us in this position is the very thing the left wants more of. Democrats love campaigning about fixing problems, then they get there and do nothing about it. How’s democratic leadership working out in CA, NY, Chicago, Portland, OR, I can go on. They’re all owned by corporations, both left and right. I admit that. What I see here from left leaning members on this forum is you guys can’t admit the left does wrong, it’s the right being brainwashed.
 
Just what do you think the Preamble says in context to the post you quoted?

Definition: “Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.”

Does that advice apply to all those begging for Socialism? You know, all the “get rid of student loan debt” and Feel the Bern folks too? There is no denying there are those who trust and desire a large centralized governing body, who detest a democratic republic. Those folks want socialism. And there are those in our congress who identify as socialist, members of the DNC, and millions of folks who support them. I’m willing to bet they use to term socialist as interchangeably as I do.
The misinformation you and the right spouts begins with leaving off what Bernie and others call themselves. Democratic socialism is very different than Marxist socialism. The Preamble is clearly democratic socialism highlighting "We the People" and general welfare etc. Here is just one of many references: The constitutional case for democratic socialism (tennessean.com)
I have never heard the people you generalize use the term socialism alone. I have heard countless times Democratic Socialist. The super wealthy exist and many created their wealth with government's handouts. They maintain it by controlling the Tax Codes. Great amount of time goes into the top wealthy convincing the upper middle class that those making less than 50K are the problem. Look up the changes in wealth distribution in the last 10 years.
 
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And you think government regulation is the solution?? Really? The same folks who go to Washington, enrich themselves and their special interests, all while continuing to campaign every cycle about doing something for the ‘hardworking’ American. I’ll be honest, as an independent/libertarian leaning person, I find it laughable that the very intrusive institution that got us in this position is the very thing the left wants more of. Democrats love campaigning about fixing problems, then they get there and do nothing about it. How’s democratic leadership working out in CA, NY, Chicago, Portland, OR, I can go on. They’re all owned by corporations, both left and right. I admit that. What I see here from left leaning members on this forum is you guys can’t admit the left does wrong, it’s the right being brainwashed.
First, it is the right that's brainwashed. That's a very obvious fact. Second, I would love to get money out of politics and have all elections publicly funded. Absolutely no private money in campaigns at all. But that's not going to happen while there is a lot of money to be made in politics. Third, yes there is corruption on the left, but at the moment it is a drop in the bucket compared to what's going on on the right. Dot try to make a false equivalency here. Finally, voting is the only real power the average american has to affect those in power, so of course the government has to be the check against the power of the corporations and the rich. The government is only what we make it. Vote for decent people who will make the proper changes to the laws and give the power back to the people. That's what the left wants. Power to the people. The right wants less government because it keeps getting in the way of them making money of the backs of the poor. Though they sell it as keeping the government out of your business, but really they actually want people poor and dependent on their private healthcare companies. They have brainwashed the rightwing base into thinking the government is the problem, when it's just the power of the people to fight back against the rich and powerful... but only if we make it that way. Hence why the left wants a little more democratic socialism and a little less unfettered capitalism... because if you want oligarchies, that's how you get oligarchies.
 
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The misinformation you and the right spouts begins with leaving off what Bernie and others call themselves. Democratic socialism is very different than Marxist socialism. The Preamble is clearly democratic socialism highlighting "We the People" and general welfare etc. Here is just one of many references: The constitutional case for democratic socialism (tennessean.com)
I have never heard the people you generalize use the term socialism alone. I have heard countless times Democratic Socialist. The super wealthy exist and many created their wealth with government's handouts. They maintain it by controlling the Tax Codes. Great amount of time goes into the top wealthy convincing the upper middle class that those making less than 50K are the problem. Look up the changes in wealth distribution in the last 10 years.
And in the last 10 years we’ve had 6 of those years with a Democrat in the White House. The problem lies in corporatization of Washington DC, and there are absolutely those who detest the US, it’s history, and current position and would love to change it into something with a large intrusive governing body who gets to legislate fairness, equity, wealth distribution, while the same said leaders live in gated communities, and are above the law. I am truly horrified by the direction the country has gone in recent years. We are at an impasse politically. And the sad thing is, I have friends who are very left leaning, and very right leaning, we are able to put political differences aside and be friends and focus on things we share interests in. But judging by this forum and social media, we deserve to be Molotov cocktailed for political differences because opposing beliefs are now considered harmful, hateful, and violence is now justified. In a bit of irony, the absolute intolerance of the left who so loves to toss the word ‘fascist’ out are themselves embodying fascist like a Nazi. My question, you and I don’t agree on politics. So what. Are there no other areas of interest shared or things to learn from one another. Civility is truly lacking and media outlets are doing their best to convince us why we should hate each other. Maybe having an open forum where anyone can say anything is needed now more than ever. Echo chambers breed hatred.
 
Now you’re questioning Elon’s intelligence. Lol. That’s really something. He may or may not be many things, but to call him unintelligent is laughable.
Yeah because geniuses pay 44 billion to run a company into the ground. Geniuses slander guys who rescued children trapped in a cave by calling them pedophiles. Yeah he’s super smart. Lol Elon making his bootlickers work overtime.
 
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Please don't tell me you are saying he can't be racist because of his "black friends"... He called for the execution of the Central Park five for god's sake. He perpetuated the birther lies against Obama. He was and still is very racist. And many people who knew him would tell you so. It just wasn't talked about. Look at his tweets about "the squad" or his comments about "sh**-hole" countries and tell me he isn't racist. Or, ask almost any person of color in this country and they will give you a long list of examples. Acting like it was ok because it was in the past is just denying it. It wasn't ok then and it's not ok now.
How is questioning where Obama was born racist. Please explain. How does race have anything to do with it.
 
First, it is the right that's brainwashed. That's a very obvious fact. Second, I would love to get money out of politics and have all elections publicly funded. Absolutely no private money in campaigns at all. But that's not going to happen while there is a lot of money to be made in politics. Third, yes there is corruption on the left, but at the moment it is a drop in the bucket compared to what's going on on the right. Dot try to make a false equivalency here. Finally, voting is the only real power the average american has to affect those in power, so of course the government has to be the check against the power of the corporations and the rich. The government is only what we make it. Vote for decent people who will make the proper changes to the laws and give the power back to the people. That's what the left wants. Power to the people. The right wants less government because it keeps getting in the way of them making money of the backs of the poor. Though they sell it as keeping the government out of your business, but really they actually want people poor and dependent on their private healthcare companies. They have brainwashed the rightwing base into thinking the government is the problem, when it's just the power of the people to fight back against the rich and powerful... but only if we make it that way. Hence why the left wants a little more democratic socialism and a little less unfettered capitalism... because if you want oligarchies, that's how you get oligarchies.
So long as you are convinced the right and not left are being brainwashed, there’s no further discussion. You are deluded and blinded by political ideology. I agree wholeheartedly about public finance of campaigns. I am also for teme limits, tort reform, and absolutely no lobbying. Get corporations out of politics. I’m also for mandatory voter ID, civil exams to demonstrate you know what the hell you’re actually voting for, and some sort of compulsory service to the country. Whether civil or military. There are areas we agree on. How about focus on those things rather than our differences. Civility would be nice.
 
Yeah because geniuses pay 44 billion to run a company into the ground. Geniuses slander guys who rescued children trapped in a cave by calling them pedophiles. Yeah he’s super smart. Lol Elon making his bootlickers work overtime.
Where’s your electric car company, rocket company? Where’s your billions of dollars of net work because you were the brains behind products millions of people and governments value? Pray tell.
 
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the people falling over themselves to tell everyone they are quitting twitter is hilarious.

I used this same argument to stop using Overcast but I didn't need to tell everyone about it.
All these people who say they are going to quit Twitter, are just like all those who in 2016 said they were going to move to Canada. Barbra Streisand is still living in Malibu, just like all the rest, she didn't move to Canada. You are not going to quit twitter, you are all too addicted, and impressed with your own opinions to quit.
 
So long as you are convinced the right and not left are being brainwashed, there’s no further discussion. You are deluded and blinded by political ideology. I agree wholeheartedly about public finance of campaigns. I am also for teme limits, tort reform, and absolutely no lobbying. Get corporations out of politics. I’m also for mandatory voter ID, civil exams to demonstrate you know what the hell you’re actually voting for, and some sort of compulsory service to the country. Whether civil or military. There are areas we agree on. How about focus on those things rather than our differences. Civility would be nice.
Yes the right is brainwashed. The left not so much. Sure there are the organic farming crowd and the wellness/homeopathic people, but the left isn't being inundated with misinformation and lies and propaganda anywhere near the level the right is. Someone, there is no way to have a conversation unless we can agree that the right is has been led to vote against their own interests by propaganda for many decades. The left not so much. Also, poll tests are almost universally used to manipulate the vote. Voter ID laws are useless and only serve to disenfranchise minority and poor voters. For example, in some districts where they enacted voter id laws they said a gun license can be used but not student id's. Or r in some counties they closed a bunch of DMV's making it very difficult for someone who can't drive to go and get an ID to use at the polls. All to solve the problem on in-person voter fraud which is statistically impossible to have any effect on any elections ever. The logistics of trying to sway an election by in-person voter fraud is way beyond feasible. but I agree that we should have corporations out of politics, though I wouldn't go with term limits. When I hire a plumber, I want an experienced one. If you limit house seats to say 8 years, with elections every 2 years that means I'm only able to hire someone with 6 years of experience ant next election I have to get someone with no experience. If you want bad plumbing or poorly run government, then that's how you get it.
 
I don't want anything to do with the platform.
It's not like there are more critical issues happening much more important than this crap right? Someone that doesn't use this as a platform as much as self to do such nonsense.. Others feel like their input makes them take action by posting a Twitter comment. Nothing more than those laughable housewives' garage tabloids in newsstands and supermarkets.
 
I just enjoy Biden and the White House account getting fact checked for a change. Both sides of the isle lie and spread misinformation... but only one side was getting fact-checked and censored.
This is of course not true. All sides are fact-checked, suspended, etc. Your mistake is thinking both sides must be erring at the same rate.
 
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I actually have a question regarding Musk and why people are so upset. How can people complain that he purchased it and is doing what he wants with it when its twitter themselves who forced him to buy it? He asled to walk away from it and twitter sued him and essentially forced the purchase. Now people are mad that he purchased it? What am I missing here?

And I don’t want to really hear “Well they are mad not because he purchased it, but because of what he’s doing with it.” People have been upset with this since day 1 when he bought it so my question is why when he was forced to buy it? I don’t use twitter so I could not care less but am curious over the outrage.
 
This is of course not true. All sides are fact-checked, suspended, etc. Your mistake is thinking both sides must be erring at the same rate.

That’s actually not true. The White House was never fact checked before Musk purchased it. Since then they have been and have actually had to pull a tweet because it was so misleading. Both sides give half truths and both should be fact checked.
 
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This is of course not true. All sides are fact-checked, suspended, etc. Your mistake is thinking both sides must be erring at the same rate.
Yeah, they love to imply equivalency where there is none. It's almost like it's a logical fallacy or something.
 
Elon Musk is the greatest inventor since Thomas Edison and he's going to single-handedly save humanity and I make peanuts but billionaires need me to defend them because I'm an American 🤣
Right?! The Elon Stans are the worst. Like Elon is playing 3-D chess while we are all playing checkers... The Idea is laughable. Sure Elon and his Aspergers has a lot of knowledge in some areas, but is completely blind to other areas. He's no genius, just lucky he grew up rich.
 
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