The iPhone 13's Face ID camera and sensor array components themselves are twice as thick as the entire MBP lid so its not coming to the Macs until they can decrease the component thickness by 2/3.
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Apple Executives Address Lack of Face ID and Touchscreens on Macs
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There is no way, for safety reasons, that Apple would have FaceID on a Mac just work without any kind of keyboard interaction, in the same way that you have to interact with an iPhone /iPad to get it to work. Otherwise, anytime you’re on a site where a purchase could happen when you click ApplePay for example, you’d be FaceID’ing just because you’re in front of the camera. It will always be at least a 2 key click format, one click to do FaceID, and very likely a second key stoke to ensure you meant to do the first.
I'm happy with the keyboard Touch ID, honestly didn't think it would've been something I wanted for the Mac but I like it way more than I thought. Sure Face ID would be a tad more convenient but honestly if it is going to make the Mac more expensive Touch ID is fine.
I'm also really glad Apple has resisted putting a touch screen on the Macs, I personally would hate it and having to pay extra for something I hate and making the Mac even more expensive for something I would never use is not appealing at all.
I'm also really glad Apple has resisted putting a touch screen on the Macs, I personally would hate it and having to pay extra for something I hate and making the Mac even more expensive for something I would never use is not appealing at all.
I mean, FaceID is obviously coming. There is no need for a notch if the only hardware you plan on putting in there is a 1080p webcam. I get they don't talk about future products, but this is glaringly obvious, no?
Web cam, green recording light, ambient light sensor, and true tone sensor.
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Spoken like someone who has never experienced “move closer to the camera” with windows Hello. What I wouldn’t give to press a button rather than have to move my entire body every time I authenticate.
A tablet is small enough that the viewing distance is close to your face. A laptop is a totally different story.
You think the made the notch just for those items?
I have a Pro Display XDR. It does not have a notch and it does not have a camera built in. It has bezels as small as any MacBook. And it STILL contains ambient light and TrueTone sensors. The idea a notch is needed for these items to keep the bezels small is just not right.
Nope. Remember, a laptop should be within arm's length - typing distance. So, it's totally not a different story.
Don't fall for the bogus excuses from Apple. I wouldn't be surprised if they introduce Face ID on the MacBook Pros within two years.
FaceID on the Mac would be a disaster. It would unlock any time the camera can see that I am in the room. Maybe if you're the only person in the room, that is ok, but then i would ask why you are even locking your Mac? When i lock my Mac, i expect it remain locked until i deliberately tell it to unlock.
The notch has three dimensions.
Current Face ID array components are twice the thickness of MBP lid; how thick is your display?
Notch height is dictated by the menu bar, and Apple might not have liked the way a half height notch looked with the empty menu bar below it.
Notch width is dictated by the camera, two sensors, whatever extra width Apple wanted now, and probably structural aspects to it, maybe they put mini led related circuitry or components there. . They probably made it wide enough to fit Face ID in case they are able to reduce component thickness by 2/3.
I’m not saying Macs won’t get Face ID at some point, I just don’t think Apple has figured out how to cut 2/3 from the component thickness.
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I accept finger prints on my iPad and it’s screen protector, I don’t accept them on my macs screen.
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Notch height is 74 pixels in terms of screen space, which is taller than the normal menu bar previously.
It would let macs run iOS apps and pave the way for iPads to run mac os apps
Apples just slow to bring about change. It took them years to increase the size of the iPhone
Screen. It’ll take Years to see an underscreen camera in an iPhone
And being the notch in the iMac is new it could take years to adapt Face ID into the iMac
If it wasn’tfor Samsung pushing all these new technologies we’d
Be in trouble
Screen. It’ll take Years to see an underscreen camera in an iPhone
And being the notch in the iMac is new it could take years to adapt Face ID into the iMac
If it wasn’tfor Samsung pushing all these new technologies we’d
Be in trouble
Nope, I don't personally see the utility in touch screens/bars - whenever I see people using them, it always looks to me like they've gone into slow motion. But I do think it's going to happen.
If Apple brings Face ID to the 2022 MacBook Pro, along with HDMI 2.1 and UHS-III, then I may just skip this years model and hold out a little longer. It will be worth the wait.
Lol ok I’ll just buy another expensive keyboard for my MacBook that comes with a keyboard already.
Thanks, Tim.
yes. the executive comment is a total cop out that hopes anyone reading it is too stupid to realize they're being treated like they're stupid.
touchID is a deliberate interaction, albeit an effective and efficient one. faceID requires no additional effort by the user and can be done seamlessly any time biometric scanning needs to be done.
they made this laptop fatter because idiots wanted hdmi again even though we've had adapters for 5 years now, but we dont get faceID which would have some actual, real world use.
All the excuses regarding iPad vs. Mac capabilities boil down to just one thing...... PROFIT.
Yes of course sales and profit are indeed valid reasons to cripple a Mac or an iPad and hold back cross platform capabilities but no one including Apple should try and argue it is because of some absurd ergonomic, use case, esthetic design, work flow, etc..... excuse.
Simply put an Apple silicon Mac should be able to run iPadOS and/or any iPad app and any M1 equipped iPad should be able to do vice versa. All the hardware capability is there now to do so. You don't need to equip a Mac with a touch screen to do any of this but there is no design reason why that option could not be made available when configuring a Mac to order.
I would like to run MANY iPad apps on my M1 Mac but I am prevented from loading over half of them on my Mac. Minor changes, if any, on the apps would be needed to allow this.
I would also love to run Monterey with some selected MacOS apps on my M1 iPad pro when i'm on the road so I don't have to carry my Mac too.
And BTW Apple I would still own an iPad and MacBook....... So you wouldn't loose any revenue from me .....
Yes of course sales and profit are indeed valid reasons to cripple a Mac or an iPad and hold back cross platform capabilities but no one including Apple should try and argue it is because of some absurd ergonomic, use case, esthetic design, work flow, etc..... excuse.
Simply put an Apple silicon Mac should be able to run iPadOS and/or any iPad app and any M1 equipped iPad should be able to do vice versa. All the hardware capability is there now to do so. You don't need to equip a Mac with a touch screen to do any of this but there is no design reason why that option could not be made available when configuring a Mac to order.
I would like to run MANY iPad apps on my M1 Mac but I am prevented from loading over half of them on my Mac. Minor changes, if any, on the apps would be needed to allow this.
I would also love to run Monterey with some selected MacOS apps on my M1 iPad pro when i'm on the road so I don't have to carry my Mac too.
And BTW Apple I would still own an iPad and MacBook....... So you wouldn't loose any revenue from me .....
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The 14 is not thicker than the 13 and the only reason why the 16 is slightly thicker is due to the new screen which means the computer part is thinner . All Apple did was remove the illusion of thinness caused by the tapering; the tapering that caused the intels to roar as soon as you opened one chrome tab
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