I so do not understand people thinking just because its a touch screen I have to use it mentality.
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Apple Executives Address Lack of Face ID and Touchscreens on Macs
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But why? You're telling me you wouldn't love an iPad with MacOS on it that you can use touch screen and have a tablet but then dock the tablet to a full keyboard, mouse and display and act like a desktop or an attachable keyboard like surface and have a laptop.
As for investing in Dev time, by my thinking they should invest more in dev time because other than Apple Silicone, everything they have released in the past two years hasn't really had a substantial upgrade. (Adding more ports doesn't really count since you had had it already before and they just took them away).
Yeah that's a very good point. Now we will never know if it failed because of what they added, or because of what they took away. I personally loved the touch bar, but I hated having to use it for adjusting volume and brightness.
As to Escape, I don't use any unix stuff but it's still crucial for cancelling input etc. Plus the touch escape is ver annoying to accidentally hit, causing your window to exit from full screen.
Yeah it continues to surprise me that people don't understand the point. He's saying that if you HAVE to use a stylus, that's a terrible experience. Why on earth would he or anyone else think it's bad that you CAN use a pen, for drawing!
Umm, then just don't touch the screen? You do realize you literally can have a Mac touch screen laptop and not change anything of your normal routine input usage and believe it or not have your screen as clean as a laptop without a touch screen right? I mean it really is that simple. Just don't touch it and your problem is solved. For everyone else they get the benefit and convenience of one when they want to use it...
Yeah at first I thought it would be a gimmick but now I can't even think about having to actually put in a password. The only time it fails is in situations where I am outside and its bright as hell. Everywhere else it just unlocks when I pick it up almost instantly. I was really surprised on how good it actually was.
That's not exactly true. macOS of today is very sub optimal for touch input, so it would have to change if they add a touch screen. Apple wouldn't accept a situation where touch input is mediocre, like when windows released the same UI for all platforms back in the day, "metro".
Now you are just making excuses that aren't even relevant to what. I explained I said by them putting a touchscreen, nothing has to change with how you use your device if you don't want to. Your screen will be just ad clean as a non touchscreen and of course if they went touchscreen they would optimize it. Even then you can continue to use it the exact same way as before still without touching the screen. There is literally no loss to you and only benefits to others. Why wouldn't someone want that unless they are a narcissist.
Technically sure, but in reality Apple would never "just put a touchscreen" on a mac. They would only do it if they can make the OS very touch friendly, which inevitably means compromises.
The only compromise they are worried about is canabalizing ipad sells.
The notch makes no sense without FaceID. The Webcam itself is for many the least important part of a laptop.
It doesn't take much to get my 13" MBP's fan going, but I guess everyone else with IntelBooks that run hot under mild load are just imagining things.
It‘s the same narrow minded attitudes as those that argued vigorously that a mouse would never work with an iPad. People pointed out it was just an OPTIONAL method of input. But no, they still argued it shouldn’t/couldn’t be done. And of course they went silent when Apple introduced mouse support. Same thing happening here.
Have a look back at this thread for a laugh…
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Personally, I would welcome a touch screen enabled MBP that would support pencil input also. I think it will eventually happen. Apple says no… until they say yes.
I don't know about the person you were responding to, but I certainly never used Widows Hello. I can guarantee you they're not using the same technology Apple does. Microsoft is depending on caveman technology, trying to use flat scan facial recognition from arbitrary webcams. There's no comparison, really.
My iPhone is currently on a stand a the same distance from me as my monitor. It's to the side of my monitor and even has a very slight tilt away from me. I touch the screen on the phone to wake it up and it FaceID unlocks almost instantly. Any FaceID built into the upper part of a laptop/iMac screen would be even more ideally placed.
I am using Windows Hello every day when using my Surface Pro device that my work gave me. It sucks! It doesn't work good. Sometimes it's instant and some times it just doesn't work. It's like a typical Microsoft feature, that is great on paper, but the implementation sucks. This describes Microsoft as a company overall too..
If Apple puts a FaceID sensor in Macs, then this should work differently than on an iPhone. I am looking at my Mac all the time and sometimes I just do not want it to automatically unlock or log me into apps that use FaceID. I prefer TouchID in its current implementation.
If Apple puts a FaceID sensor in Macs, then this should work differently than on an iPhone. I am looking at my Mac all the time and sometimes I just do not want it to automatically unlock or log me into apps that use FaceID. I prefer TouchID in its current implementation.
I don't know anyone who's asking for touchscreens on desktop OS's anymore. Even Windows stopped focusing on that with the failure that Windows 8 turned out to be. The UI on a desktop OS is meant to be used with a mouse/keyboard. You're leaving out primary users when you start replacing UI elements to cater to a niche user base. As of now, professionals such as programmers and data scientists, rely on macOS. Believe it or not, macOS isn't only made for YouTube video editors and photoshopping.
inb4 "but creatives ARE professionals". no they're not. >99% of creatives are just creatives. Nothing against them, but to demand YouTubers, social media influencers, or freelancers who hang out at Starbucks be called professionals is as ridiculous as getting a Ph.D in Janitorial Sciences. Apple could sell specialized computers to Pixar Studios and Lucas Films directly at a premium, but they make more money off you schmucks buying a larger volume.
Edit: Not only that, but running a malware script requiring admin privileges would be laughably easy to exploit on FaceID.
inb4 "but creatives ARE professionals". no they're not. >99% of creatives are just creatives. Nothing against them, but to demand YouTubers, social media influencers, or freelancers who hang out at Starbucks be called professionals is as ridiculous as getting a Ph.D in Janitorial Sciences. Apple could sell specialized computers to Pixar Studios and Lucas Films directly at a premium, but they make more money off you schmucks buying a larger volume.
Edit: Not only that, but running a malware script requiring admin privileges would be laughably easy to exploit on FaceID.
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Even I have to call BS on this one! The Mac is the ideal place for FaceID and probably more so than on iPhone. I think I still prefer TouchID on my iPhone rather than FaceID because that's naturally where the position of my thumb is when holding and iPhone. I can live without it and have now since my iPhone X but if I was given the choice I'd have FaceID on Mac and TouchID on my iPhone or even better, give users both.
Politely disagree. The "vocal minority" is actually you and the devout nerd tech junkies on these types of sites.
Apple silicon enabling the use of IOS apps on Mac OS further pushes the need/use case for touch on Mac.... this is simple Apple greed not wanting to Cannibalize the iPad that had sales tank for years on end before making a comeback with a marketing hype machine that they were a computer replacement.... to which almost everyone discovers is NOT the case because they also hamstring the iPad just enough that you need a Mac too.
Apple could easily change the hinge design on the iMac to do what the Surface does today.... lots and lots and lots of creatives that need pro machines would love that surface area for drawing. MacBook's could simply leverage hinges that let them flip around like lots of Window laptops already do.
No, touch isn't essential or a need for everyone. But please turn down the fan boy excuses that are founded with about as much fact as Trump Supporters who believe vaccines let the government listen inside their heads to magnetize them to beam them up to aliens.
Apple doesn't have touch on the mac not because customers don't want it or its not needed... its to sell people two devices and not create a scenario where a customer could actually do everything in one and spend less. NOTHING MORE.
Yes, desktops, which literally no one buys except corporations, does not make sense.
Laptops, which outsell 3-1 in the consumer market, where your fingers are near teh screen and the screen can flip over makes more sense.
Microsoft was onto something with Surface Book, the product I wish Apple would make. IOS and MacOS more than ever could be the same bloody OS now that they use the same architecture.
No one needs touch all the time, but at times touch is awesome to have... same with keyboard and mouse input on an iPad. It's the same thing, yet everyone is all for that even though it's lackluster experience compared to a Mac.
If iPad sales hasn't rebounded, I would bet money Apple would have shown up Microsoft's efforts. For something they are so against, they sure do invest enough in protypes, patents, development, etc. of the things they say they have no interest in....
It’s like the stylus for the iPad. When Apple first launched the iPad in 2011, Steve Jobs said there was no need for a stylus because we have 10 of them integrated to our body. Years later, in 2017, when Apple found a way to sell a stylus as a new feature to iPad Pro users, they introduced the Apple Pencil.
Nobody really needs Face ID – be aware that every time you stay near your Mac it would open the screen – so Face ID technology would need a fingertip on keyboard same time or as introduction – then a Touch ID serves better and faster and cheaper 
I don't think you know what a "desktop OS" is vs a desktop. Laptops use a desktop OS, as that's what laptops are primarily used for. Laptops are quite literally a portable desktop. People get it for the sole purpose of using it with a keyboard and mouse/trackpad, to do actual work, whether it be excel spreadsheets or crunching through powerpoint slides while making Anki cards, or watching a lecture while taking notes, or compiling software. Most people who buy a laptop don't even use the touchscreen (nor did they use the Touch Bar), so its counterintuitive to add cost to something most people wouldn't use.
Apple isn't stupid, they have the data on how many app developers took advantage of the Touch Bar on building a desktop class application, and how many users actually bothered to use it on supported applications as well as on their own OS. Personally, I had to resort to using the menu bar for even sound because of lack of tactile feedback and me not wanting to take my eyes off the screen. Now imagine a larger menu bar with massive icons to accommodate the touch input. It would be atrocious to the entire experience.
What you're looking for is an iPad Pro with a magic keyboard. Something used primarily for touch, but offers a keyboard input option.
probably. im happy with the performance with my 16" m1m, but i think everyone having their fun with intel are pretending like they damn near light on fire from writing in notes. my 2018 15" was doing just fine