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Apple Expected to Lead 5G Smartphone Shipments in 2020
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It’s rather obvious to me, ‘20 is rumored to be a redesigned iPhone and 5G is slowly rolling out. I would have replaced my old iPhone 6 but it’s in great shape and the new one didn’t inspire me to spend $1K.
Its going to take several years for 5G infrastructure to mature but a sub 6ghz 5G radio will likely provide significant speed increases, maybe double, when DSS spectrum sharing is applied by carriers next year for LTE spectrum.
New iPhones don't get built until late August.
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Is that a serious question?
When Kuo is talking about 2020 iPhones, he's obviously talking about the 2H'20 ones.
"All of the iPhones coming in 2020 are expected to include 5G technology,"
ALL? Even the supposed SE2 that Kuo thinks is coming in March 2020? Hmm...
ALL? Even the supposed SE2 that Kuo thinks is coming in March 2020? Hmm...
What you're going to discover, is 5G makes absolutely zero difference to your life with regards to your phone, and you won't even notice if you have 4G or 5G connected at any one point in time. I mean, the biggest bandwidth you need on a phone is video streaming right? Which 4G does perfectly well. What use case can you possibly imagine where you need anything faster?
The 5G phones are so fast that it was capable of traveling 88 mph?
Only reason I care about 5g is for when eventually it’s required, which presumably is years away. Otherwise it has zero benefit for me, unless carriers charge less, offer more data, or better coverage, it none of those things are directly related to it
also, is “5g” actually 4g yet, or is “5g” still actually 3g? 😂
also, is “5g” actually 4g yet, or is “5g” still actually 3g? 😂
And in non fake news stories, apple is only 3rd on the current best sellers list. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a cheap way of generating likes from the audience eh..
Do you not read?
"We now believe that all three new 2H20 iPhone models will support 5G for the following reasons."
Kuo: All Three iPhones Coming in 2020 Will Support 5G
The three iPhones expected to launch in 2020 will feature support for 5G, according to a new note to investors shared today by Apple analyst Ming-Chi...
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I agree. 5G saturation will not be predominant right away, it’s going to take time to be introduced to various areas that don’t even support 4G hardly in some locations. On that same note, I don’t think 5G will be a major selling point for the 2020 iPhone, not when consumers generally have no idea what 4G even means.
Until a phone design can deal with the extra heat of 5G, and there are 5G cell sites available, I can wait.
You think roll out of 4G was long, the 5G rollout is going to be much longer.
The higher carrier frequencies of the 5G bands, requiring faster RF radios, are going to generate a lot of heat in a compact form factor of a cell phone. I read that Samsung's 5G phone cannot stay in 5G mode because it overheats. It throttles down to a 4G connection to cool down.
The number of 5G cell sites is very limited. Are they in your city? Doubt it. Furthermore, the 5G communication distance is limited to a short-range. You have to be very close to a 5G base station.
Until carriers install many more base stations and you happen to be near one somehow, I would not expect 5G connections for quite some time. To me, 5G is just a lot of hype now.
You think roll out of 4G was long, the 5G rollout is going to be much longer.
The higher carrier frequencies of the 5G bands, requiring faster RF radios, are going to generate a lot of heat in a compact form factor of a cell phone. I read that Samsung's 5G phone cannot stay in 5G mode because it overheats. It throttles down to a 4G connection to cool down.
The number of 5G cell sites is very limited. Are they in your city? Doubt it. Furthermore, the 5G communication distance is limited to a short-range. You have to be very close to a 5G base station.
Until carriers install many more base stations and you happen to be near one somehow, I would not expect 5G connections for quite some time. To me, 5G is just a lot of hype now.
Apple's Margin will very-likely be Driven Way Down by 5G !
Driven by the competition !
This one is easy to predict, based-upon what's already occurring with the competition.
Driven by the competition !
This one is easy to predict, based-upon what's already occurring with the competition.
When it comes to flagships they sure do.
And the majority of those devices are all sub $100 junk phones. But hey, let's not lie and claim that every Huawei or Samsung phone sold is a flagship when their ASP is in the mid $250 range. Which means that they sell 3-4 $100 feature phones for every flagship. Math doesn't lie.
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My bad, I missed that part.
Well, then, Apple will take over 5G within weeks of the next iPhone launch.
You both disregard that the vast majority of premium phones sold around the world are iPhones. Samsung and Huawei have $1000+ flagship phones, but those pricy phones sell in insignificant amounts. That's why Apple grabs over 90% of the smartphone market profits for almost a decade now.
Unless Samsung and Huawei manage to add 5G in their $200 budget phones, the prediction looks reasonable, even optimistic for those two brands.
Sure, if you take into consideration the phones the phones that are given away and low cost. But if you look at the price range for iPhones there is a different story to be told.
Why are we talking about 5G iPhones sales figures? Come on MacRumors, this is pretty silly
We aren't. We are talking about predicted 5G iPhones sales figures. Meanwhile...
Though Apple has not yet come out with a 8K Apple TV, the company is expected to lead the 8K media player market in 20##, according to a new report today from analytics not from Mac Observer.
Apple is expected to capture a dominant share of the emerging 8K market in 20##, following the launch of an 8K Apple TV. Strategy Analytics believes that Apple simply needs to match its current upgrade rates to dominate the 8K market after September 20##.
We could all use a little more command + f in our lives.
The red line is the start of Q3, which starts in July.
Q3 ends in September. The count on the chart is how much is sold during that quarter. breaks down percentage wise That count isn't totaled until the end of the Quarter (not the beginning.).
What the graph is implying is that Apple will go from "zero to hero" in the Q3 with just about 2-3 weeks of sales. ( the graphi is just connecting the end of quarter totals with a straight line.... That line isn't sales "during the quarter". ) .
Unless Samsung rolls out 5G to midrange volume with more collective volume this is probably what is going to happen. The core issue here is who dominates high end smartphone volume. As long as 5G is highly segregated into relatively high end phones then Apple will dominate. If 5G moves across the mid-to-upper range then Apple's percentage will drop.
Why do you say that? Wireless access points face fewer hurdles than wiring to every home, so I'd expect this to increase competition in less dense places. But if your location doesn't even have proper 4G yet, that's a different story.
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They can get LTE working better than most people can get home wifi working, especially if there are multiple access points. Gotta say, wifi is a pretty sucky technology, meanwhile I'm impressed by LTE. And LTE is a way simpler standard than 3G, so I can believe 3G sucking.
The first Apple device to support 4G was iPad 3, just saying... I hope they include 5G connectivity in their upcoming iPads because I plan to upgrade my iPad soon and it would be a bummer to be left behind the technological curve. Not that I personally have much belief in 5G, I think it's massively overhyped, but still...
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The criticism of the 5G hype kind of makes sense though. Consistency in mobile connectivity is a huge issue: you can have all the "G"s downtown and spotty 3G coverage in rural areas (looking at you, T-Mobile). And even in urban areas there is a lot of room for improvement - better coverage can lead to increased capacity, to my mind that's a more solid strategy than offloading a fraction of devices onto a new standard (5G).
Then, you mention Wi-Fi, but most bands proposed for 5G have even higher frequencies than Wi-Fi so their signal does not travel as far and is prone to attenuation much more, meaning comprehensive 5G coverage is going to be much harder to implement. In that sense LTE was really a massive improvement over 3G: it allowed to repurpose lower-frequency bands to boost coverage areas.
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The criticism of the 5G hype kind of makes sense though. Consistency in mobile connectivity is a huge issue: you can have all the "G"s downtown and spotty 3G coverage in rural areas (looking at you, T-Mobile). And even in urban areas there is a lot of room for improvement - better coverage can lead to increased capacity, to my mind that's a more solid strategy than offloading a fraction of devices onto a new standard (5G).
Then, you mention Wi-Fi, but most bands proposed for 5G have even higher frequencies than Wi-Fi so their signal does not travel as far and is prone to attenuation much more, meaning comprehensive 5G coverage is going to be much harder to implement. In that sense LTE was really a massive improvement over 3G: it allowed to repurpose lower-frequency bands to boost coverage areas.
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Remember, Apple's fiscal Q3 is actually the calendar quarter +1. For instance, we are currently in calendar quarter 4, but Apple is in their fiscal quarter 1. That graphic looks to be divided by calendar quarters. The start of Q2 on that graph would be the start of Apple's Q3.
It's the only thing that allows that graph to make sense.
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