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The iPad 11 will most likely get the a15!
It all depends on when these release.

The base iPad typically gets a two year old chip. Next fall, the A16 will be two years old. It wouldn’t be totally out of the question, considering Apple skipped the base iPad this year, which would’ve been A15.

Also, if the Mini releases in the fall, we should expect some form of A18 chip inside.
 
No hostility at all. Like I said in my first post, I’m quite sure you’re actually capable of discerning the differences between the devices. You’ve been here since 2010. But hostility for the sake of hostility, or complaining about products for the sake of complaining about products - what’s the point? I distinctly stated that it wasn’t a personal knock.


You explicitly stated:



So either you are having problems differentiating them, or you‘re not.


If you are having problems differentiating them, then I think you need to do some more research on the products before purchasing, and I don’t think that’s unreasonable.
If you’re not having problems differentiating them, then it’s the faux-complexity thing and I’m not really sure why that’s your argument.

Maybe you’re just looking to argue for the sake of arguing. I’m not sure, but I’m sure MR like the clicks regardless.

You‘re the one who reacted with the angry emoticon :D

“The problem is how APPLE WOULD DIFFERENTIATE THE PRODUCTS SHOULD THEY CONVERGE ANY FURTHER.”

Given the CONTEXT of the part you pulled out and became confrontational about I’m not sure how you could have been in the least bit confused about what I was actually saying, especially since this is the second time I’ve had to explain it to you.

My comment wasn’t about how I personally would tell the products apart. Come on now.
 
If he’s replaced by someone inside the company, they’re most likely to run it just as he has. If he’s replaced by someone outside the company, I can see their first “big move” to show how different they are from the old management would be to reduce Macs down to just those required by developers creating iOS/iPadOS software while focusing on the “next big thing”.

Sure. But we thought Tim would run it like Steve being an internal hire by Jobs himself. But nope.
 
What leaks were technical issues? The only ones I know about were cases of social engineering. Even those were a decade or more ago.
2014, hackers gained access to iCloud using security hole in "Find my" using brute force attacks.

Being a decade ago doesn't mean it's safe now. They might be just not that dumb to simply leak all the nudes immediately. If malicious software is still installed in 2023 by sending a specific iMessage one can fairly suggest cloud storage is around the same level of security.

P.S. Social engineering hacks are still hacks, harder to social engineer stuff if it's only locally on your iPhone.
 
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Only if they're completely rewritten for touch. Apple will never allow a solely mouse-based program on an iPad. This is why it took them an eternity to release Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad.
Can go with stuff like DeX on Samsungs, give us a proper windowed interface when mouse and/or display are connected.
 
Can go with stuff like DeX on Samsungs, give us a proper windowed interface when mouse and/or display are connected.
Why they should that since they own macOs? Now macOs is fully written for arm architecture.
Samsung had to come up with stuff like dex because they dont own desktop OS
 
Can go with stuff like DeX on Samsungs, give us a proper windowed interface when mouse and/or display are connected.
That wouldn’t work for desktop apps. DeX is intended to run mobile apps so they don’t look all stretched out with so few apps optimized for large screens. Mac apps don’t have touch surfaces, designed for a mouse. Apple therefore would never create a DeX mode since it wouldn’t be touch optimized.
 
Curious, what would compel you to upgrade?
I typed out my original answer as I was walking to work, and have also been thinking it through the day in between my break times. The thing is - I don't hate the iPad hardware, so it's difficult to pinpoint what to improve. Like you can give me OLED screens or always-on-displays or further shrink the bezels or put in the same camera that the 15 pro sports. It still doesn't address the issue of apps limiting what I can do on iOS.

Let me be clear up front - I don't think the solution to this is for the iPad to run macOS, and I will continue to oppose anyone who makes this suggestion. On one hand, I like that the iPad is home to many apps that are optimised for touch. Annotating on pdf documents in notability using the Apple Pencil. Social media was a lot more tolerable when consumed in third party apps like Tweetbot and Apollo (when they were still around). Note-taking in Mindnode. Screen-recording function in iPadOS that proved invaluable during the pandemic. Tabletop games like Warhammer and Slay the Spire. The iPad is this general purpose computer that I use for productivity and leisure.

I can type simple meeting notes on my iPad using MS Word (back when it was still paired to a Smart Keyboard), and I like that I could email the minutes to my school leaders immediately after I was done with it (via the share sheet).

I like that I can edit a video (such as a screencast recorded directly on my iPad) in lumafusion, then export it straight to YouTube on my iPad. It's all these little conveniences that make the task feel more seamless on my iPad compared to my Mac.

On the other hand, apps are also limiting what I can do on my iPad. For example, I am handling a number of responsibilities this term (eg: relief planning, post-exam timetable, just to name a few) and I typically have over 10 tabs open in chrome on my MBA and work laptop. Google apps on iOS are far more limited. I can only view one document at a time, making multitasking impossible, and a lot of functionality is also missing. At best, my iPad is a second screen where I open a document that I want to refer to while working on my main computer.

Zoom on iPad is also a pain to use. I would like to be able to run an online class directly via zoom (ie: use the screen recording function to stream what I am writing over a document), but then I can't see my students' responses or otherwise interact with them. I have found a smartphone app for this (attendant for zoom), but at this point, it was proving to be more trouble than it was worth. I was better off just mirroring my iPad to my MBA via a usb cable and streaming that.

Even the google classroom app is limited like the inability to reply directly to posts by students.

I could go on, but the gist is that these companies are not optimising their apps for the iPad at all. I don't know where the problem lies. Are companies like Google and Microsoft simply too complacent that they know they can get away with providing the bare minimum to users, or is this due to limitations inherent in iPadOS that are preventing apps from being more than they currently are now?

This may not be something that Apple can fix on their own either. I mean, they released Final Cut Pro for the iPad in May, and I haven't really heard anything about it after a 2-week buzz period. I have no idea how popular it is today. At least for lumafusion, I knew there were people actively promoting it on YouTube when the 2018 iPad Pro was first released. It's like crickets for FCP.

So yeah. My bugbear with the iPad currently appears to be software and app-related, which may explain why hardware improvements don't really seem to enthuse me currently. I know it's just going to be more of the same.
 
That wouldn’t work for desktop apps. DeX is intended to run mobile apps so they don’t look all stretched out with so few apps optimized for large screens. Mac apps don’t have touch surfaces, designed for a mouse. Apple therefore would never create a DeX mode since it wouldn’t be touch optimized.
I mean experience similar to Dex, not copy of Dex. When you attach external display and mouse you should get MacOS with iPadOS apps sideloaded, detached - iPadOS.

MacOS and iOS share quite a hunk of codebase today.

But it will not happen anyway, iPads are just a sink for surplus M chips.
 
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I mean experience similar to Dex, not copy of Dex. When you attach external display and mouse you should get MacOS with iPadOS apps sideloaded, detached - iPadOS.

MacOS and iOS share quite a hunk of codebase today.

But it will not happen anyway, iPads are just a sink for surplus M chips.
Hardly. Apple sells more iPads than they do Macs, so it makes more sense to say Macs are a sink for surplus M chips. Neither is true. I, for one, use my iPad for 90% of my computing needs and absolutely love my iPad. The only thing I find annoying about the iPad is that a lot of websites don’t work well with it since they’re not optimized for WebKit. The only thing I would change about iPads is for Apple to allow web browsers to use other web engines to help with web sites that just don’t work, e.g. my banking website. Note the same website doesn’t work with Safari desktop either, but works fine on Chrome. But that has nothing to do with the iPad, itself.

I strongly oppose adding additional desktop features to the iPad because it takes away from the one thing that people love iPads for, its simplicity in its user interface. That’s why I hate Stage Manager and am glad Apple turns it off by default. The regular multitasking is more than enough. The iPad is not a desktop nor a laptop, so I don’t understand why people keep insisting on erasing the line between iPads and Macs.
 
The only thing I find annoying about the iPad is that a lot of websites don’t work well with it since they’re not optimized for WebKit.
It's a problem of same bad web developers who were making "Best viewed in IE" websites, now switched to "We only test our crap in Chrome", not of WebKit.

I don’t understand why people keep insisting on erasing the line between iPads and Macs.
Hardware inside is an overkill for content consumption-only device and every desktop app is better than same-class iOS app. Like, miles better.
 
Hardware inside is an overkill for content consumption-only device and every desktop app is better than same-class iOS app. Like, miles better.
I hear you. Though I do use my M1 Air as a quick and dirty "travel assistant" and since I like to doodle, the extra power is not detrimental, but I agree with you. It's a limited device, though for what it does, I like it and more often than not I find myself to reach for my iPad, when I just want to some quick info, or plan my day on a trip. It has it's use cases, but it's more on the leisure side of things. I would not get an iPad Pro, only if I really need the horse power for complex and very layered illustrations.
 
Hardly. Apple sells more iPads than they do Macs, so it makes more sense to say Macs are a sink for surplus M chips. Neither is true. I, for one, use my iPad for 90% of my computing needs and absolutely love my iPad. The only thing I find annoying about the iPad is that a lot of websites don’t work well with it since they’re not optimized for WebKit. The only thing I would change about iPads is for Apple to allow web browsers to use other web engines to help with web sites that just don’t work, e.g. my banking website. Note the same website doesn’t work with Safari desktop either, but works fine on Chrome. But that has nothing to do with the iPad, itself.

I strongly oppose adding additional desktop features to the iPad because it takes away from the one thing that people love iPads for, its simplicity in its user interface. That’s why I hate Stage Manager and am glad Apple turns it off by default. The regular multitasking is more than enough. The iPad is not a desktop nor a laptop, so I don’t understand why people keep insisting on erasing the line between iPads and Macs.
The solution to this is not to switch browser engines but to force web developers to make sure their sites work with all browsers.
 
Instead of making updated iPad 12.9 Pro faster (it is already way faster than needed), why not make battery life much longer and screen much brighter? Getting tired of an update just being a new processor, when iPads are plenty fast for what they do. Hopefully, Apply has a good surprise this year, like the good ole days that made you update immediatley.
 
Can we have a better filing system please!
Apple markets the iPad as a laptop replacement but there’s just so many things I miss from MacOS that makes my iPad really annoying.
 
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There’s an iPad that still has an audio jack??
Yes, iPad 9th Gen. does which is why it'll probably get phased out pretty soon and let iPad 10th Gen. be the only low-end iPad.

I mean, why just sell an iPad when you can sell an iPad plus AirPods?

Then again, the entire industry (led by Apple's bravery) has pushed wireless audio so hard that next to no consumer has a use for an audio jack these days.

And once lossless comes to AirPods, audio jack will probably get phased out of all Apple products, and wired audio only possible through an adaptor/dongle.

I'd be very surprised if audio jacks are still on thing on most Macs 10 years from now.
 
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It's time to bring Promotion on iPad Air and iPad mini
although I'm perfectly sure that Apple will never do this
 
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