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so... even on an iPhone 15 pro - if the phone offloads to the cloud/open AI tasks that are too computationally taxing - why not, on older phones, offload 100% of the tasks and make some of the features available?
The on-device features are enabled by indexing the device state almost constantly (which is why they also rolled out hidden, non-searchable apps with this). There would be no way to keep a cloud clone of the device in-sync AND respond to user requests using the cloud data in real time.
 
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The base M3 MBA, iMac and MPB will all support Apple Intelligence.
Oh yes I understand that. Some have pointed out that Apple should have bumped the RAM in anticipation of AI requirements. My point is that they had the opportunity and must believe 8GB is sufficient for the job.
 
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Still doesn’t make sense. M1 NPU is slower than A16. They are just straight up lying.
Could be the RAM. A16 devices only have 6GB RAM as opposed to iPhone 15 Pro's / A17 Pro, which has 8GB standard. Just like the M-series devices all having 8GB as the minimum.

And yes, inferencing does take a toll on RAM. I'm rather surprised that they even got it good enough (probably, we'll see soon) to run on 8GB RAM since GenAI requires 16GB RAM minimum. Even the new Copilot PC stuff releasing soon has 16GBs minimum.
 
So, iPhone 15 and 15 Plus and everyone else gets most of the software features available in iOS 18 except for Apple Intelligence, which due to 8GB RAM requirement and faster Neural Engine in A17 Pro limits access to iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max until iPhone 16 Pro and 16 Pro Max gets released...

So, iPad 6 with A10 is limited to iOS 17 while iPad 7 with A10 can get iOS 18

iPhone 5s [A7] and iPhone 6 [A8] are both limited to iOS 12
iPhone 6s [A9] and iPhone 7 [A10] are both limited to iOS 15

In the future, iPhone 13 series may get cut off earlier than iPhone 14 and 14 Plus even though they all use the same A15 Bionic, and iPhone 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max may get cut off earlier than iPhone 15 and 15 Plus even though they all use A16 Bionic

Buying the repackaged iPhone 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max [iPhone 15 and 15 Plus] seems to be a very not so wise decision if you are planning to use the Apple Intelligence features offered in iOS 18... This is the earliest that newly released [2023] models are immediately obsolete...
Why would the iPhone 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max get cut off earlier than the iPhone 15 and 15 Plus? With the iPhone 13 and 14, Apple has the excuse that the A15 in the iPhone 14 is a little more powerful than the one in the iPhone 13, but no legit excuses for dropping the 14 Pro a year before the 15.
 
There are two reasons people who are paying attention stick with Apple: Generally better hardware and a generally more-secure operating environment. When Apple generates controversy, sometimes we agree with the company and sometimes we don’t. We call out Apple when we think they are acting cynically or screwing up. We are not fans, we just think Apple is the best choice among a number of flawed choices. It goes without saying that the people I am talking about are NOT those who buy Apple for its social cache or the color of its devices.

But why be so angry and emotional?

Me: My iPhone can't run Apple Intelligence. OK.
 
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so... even on an iPhone 15 pro - if the phone offloads to the cloud/open AI tasks that are too computationally taxing - why not, on older phones, offload 100% of the tasks and make some of the features available?

Apple has designed Apple Intelligence to work in a certain way. Apple doesn't want to make changes to the foundation of Apple Intelligence just to get it working on older devices. Offloading is a fundamental change to the design.

This is how Apple almost always does these things.
 
So go buy Samsung or Pixel and stop moaning on MACrumours forum, jeeez.
I have both, don’t worry about it, but as you said it’s a forum and that’s what a forum is for - “a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged”. Everyone is allowed an opinion on products they purchased and companies they invest in. If they are not, the world becomes a worse place.
 
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It makes perfect sense if you know anything about LLMs. To run models locally you need a lot of RAM, there's no way around it. 15 Pro is the first one with 8GB which allows to run 3B parameter model locally. Apple avoids saying it that it's about RAM but in reality, this is the sole reason that all the M-chips and A17 Pro allow it.
So that’s the reason why the next generation iPad mini, next iPhone SE and maybe next Apple TV should get at least 8GB of RAM because it wouldn’t look good if any future iPads and iPhones didn’t get Apple’s new signature feature.
 
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“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”


Apple can anger many of the Macrumors commenters all of the time, and these commenters can not stop being angered all the time, even if they don't use Apple devices anymore.

Apple should offer anger management classes to these Macrumors commenters, and only support it on newer devices with 16Gb of RAM, making them go insane.
 
It may be true that they attempt to run as many of the new features on older hardware (and apples support of devices is far better than many rivals). But they don’t exactly design in the RAM for iOS devices for longevity. They increase RAM in one generation, stick with it for 4 years or so and then have another jump. The effect is the devices at the tail end of that RAM bump are put in a precarious position of being relatively new but lacking in RAM for new features and iOS updates.
I get the point you’re trying to make here, but that part is simply not true.

In fact, Apple has never once gone 4 years without increasing RAM in an iPhone line- both for flagship and “non-pro” lines. (longest stretch was 3 years).

On average, Apple increases the iPhone’s RAM every 1.88 years.
 
Oh yes I understand that. Some have pointed out that Apple should have bumped the RAM in anticipation of AI requirements. My point is that they had the opportunity and must believe 8GB is sufficient for the job.
Shoulda, coulda...
 
Planned - or should I say forced - obsolescence. It is that simple. We are now crossing a threshold. Every lightning products is getting put out to pasture now that USB-C has entered the scene. And 8GB products has been positioned as the new bare minimum. One should probably take that into account when purchasing the new iPad Pro; one has 8GB and the other has 16GB:rolleyes:)

Of course, Apple could easily accommodate 6GB products, but they are not going to. Why? Simple...Profits.

If you believe otherwise, I am afraid that you are a moron. It is that simple.
 
I think Apple should introduce a mid-year iPhone upgrade cycle, around march and call it the iPhone 16.5 and render all previous models obsolete (including the iPhone 16.0). Starting in March, iOS 18 will be exclusively compatible with the iPhone 16.5. 🤡
They already have a mid year "upgrade", it's a software upgrade, it's when all the promised September software upgrades get released.
 
I really love my 15 Pro, so I’m happy that I won’t have to upgrade to get the new features.
 
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