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Because we're supposed to be a free country.

Just like we're supposed to have free speech right? And nobody has ever debated about what that really means...

Besides it's a moot point. That freedom doesn't apply to the Chinese. As entitled to everything as Americans feel, this wasn't actually taken away from the Americans. It's taking an incredibly successful psy-op away from the Chinese.

And even that isn't working because NPR tells me these idiots are purposely going from TikTok to some other openly Chinese owned app, explicitly and intentionally to give their information to the CCP. And of course NPR frames that as some brilliant act of defiance.
 

In a way, yes. As I understand it TikTok exists under a different name in China and strikingly different content, the CCP also limits usage so their children aren't blathering idiots that spend all day making stupid videos.

So, TikTok as it exists in the US, is not allowed in China.

You nailed it. Meta and Google are doing the same. How is it good ? How can China “bury us” with silly short videos ?

Yup, I never said the wholesale collection of data is good, in fact I think it is horrible. Again, I don't use social media platforms like Meta, X or TikTok, but if I were to use a social media platform I would gladly choose the US billionaires over the CCP, that choice seems easy to me.

They are not going to "bury us" will silly videos in the literal sense, but as someone else here pointed out, I think it was @AppliedMicro , American youth are basically idiots that will believe whatever they see on social media so leaving that in the hands of a foreign adversary is the literal definition of "national security risk".

Also, see post #86, even I would rather trust the Zuck with that data over the CCP. Turning a blind eye to Chinese espionage is dangerous and stupid.

7 MILLION small American businesses relied on the app for their livelihood.

Not accurate at all. Please provide citation that 7 million American businesses, or people, are now unemployed.

I would find it hard to believe that most content creators do not post to multiple platforms, at least smart ones do, then if one disappears it has minimal impact.

And with this ban, they also now have less freedom of speech than in other countries.

Please list the countries that have more freedom of speech than the US, because of this ban, I'll wait.
 
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reflecting the US's efforts to spread democratic principles internationally

China exists as it does today partly because of America's efforts to spread democratic principles internationally. You may recall China has been at the exact opposite end of that effort.

Perhaps it would be better if it worked out more often for China. Say, like it did in North Korea? Maybe Vietnam? Tibet?
 
Those people are of no consequence to me. I'm doing very well, as are my friends and family, because we all work hard and are well educated. Please post a link to the stats of how 7 million small American businesses had survived only because of TikTok. I'll wait...







Did you want more links or is this enough?
 
I encourage this to be re-read over and over but slug in America. If one can re-read it many times and not be repulsed or think it is typo with every read, be cautious about the dismissal of how our society is so very different.

I'm honestly not quite sure what you mean by that. I'm sure that Russian has reasons for saying that, but it kinda seems the reason Russia is going down the tubes is centuries of belligerence.

He's not wrong about people not caring until it affects them, for sure. Just not sure that's exactly Russia's problem.

Edit: wait I think I get it. Does he mean the Russians don't care until it affects them? I just realized I replied to a quote of a reply and I think I got the context mixed up.
 
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Did you want more links or is this enough?

This is the exact same argument Facebook makes every time someone pushes back on their tracking, though.

If, like in Soviet Russia, phone book reads YOU, would we be extolling the econonomic benefits of the phone book?

I feel like it's a bit of a strawman argument. Businesses have always used whatever methods are available. If TikTok is not back next week, their social media team/person/teenager will just start on another platform.
 
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TikTok is available in China under a different name: Douyin.

But it's not the same because Chinese citizens specifically cannot use it. TikTok's purpose is as a foreign psy/intel-op. They have their own for Chinese citizens, gotta keep the database clean.
 
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Where is the list of small business that have survived solely on TikTok, and the data on how they directly received revenue because of TikTok? These articles do not have any solid data. Get me a list of just 500,000 of these small business and the revenue data. Again, the data must show that these small businesses survived because of revenue that was generated from TikTok. This should be easy since there are approximately 7 million. Again, I will wait.
 
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Please provide citation that 7 million American businesses, or people, are now unemployed.


Please list the countries that have more freedom of speech than the US, because of this ban, I'll wait.
Sure.

7 million businesses:








Countries with greater freedom of speech than America:

As the gold standard Global State of Democracy Indices states the USA did not even make it into the top 10 countries that have the most freedom of speech, and that was before the US banned an app that 170 million Americans used.


The World Press Freedom Index (WPFI) -- another standard measure of freedom of speech -- shows that before the TikTok ban, America came in 55th place behind countries like Taiwan, Armenia, and Slovakia in the 2024 ranking. America will fall further in the 2025 ranking as it banned an app over 60% of the country used to communicate.

 
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Oop. Well anyway, will Meta’s Zuckerberg allow Trump to save them? Will X’s Shadow President Musk? They bought Trump the presidency, after all.
 
Others perpetuate their own misery. I am merely a spectator. Ideally, they'd act like grown adults and take some responsibility for actions in their own life and move on. But if they're going to waffle about hopelessly and wear it on their sleeve with every interaction, and because they are, I will unfold my lawn chair and watch with utter amazement while eating popcorn to absorb the depths by which people will pluck out their own feathers and try to convince every one else that that is the moral high ground. Call me compassionate.

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Empty land doesn’t vote, and those urban blue areas account for 80% of the population and 90% of the economic output of this country.
 
I’m not comparing the countries, I’m just saying that this is how it began. Trump already has the senate and the Supreme Court.
But this guys is on your watch.

The REPUBS actually have full control of ALL 3 branches of our "check & balance" system starting this week:
  • Executive, now with vastly expanded powers and virtually no risk of legal retribution if that power is abused,
  • Congress, of which Senate is only half, and
  • Judicial.
It is one of those rare times where one party is completely in charge and can just about do anything & everything they want to do... for at least TWO years. Let's hope our collective choices to give one party a "blank check" on power pays off well for all of us. There's basically nothing to "balance" the GOP for 2+ years except any of their own concerns about how the next election- if there is one- may go.

The lone negative about this setup through GOP eyes is that by fully controlling all of it, they also fully own all of what their choices & actions do. There's no "other party" to blame when one party has complete say. So the GOP now fully owns the impacts of whatever they choose to do. If that's all wonderful & great for all, terrific! But if that goes sour, we voters "made our bed... so lie in it." We'll see... likely very soon.
 
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Did you want more links or is this enough?

From the article you referenced:

But smart companies and consultants like Wright aren't sitting and hoping, waiting for the ban verdict to arrive. They're moving to Instagram Reels, YouTube Shorts, and Snapchat, testing what works while TikTok still runs. Each platform offers different advantages for reaching customers. Instagram Reels connects with established audiences. YouTube Shorts helps businesses appear in search results. Snapchat keeps them relevant with younger buyers.

No one worth anything is going out of business because of a TikTok ban, they had plenty of time to prepare. In your post you made it sound like 7 million businesses ceased to exist or 7 million individuals lost their only source of income, that is patently false.

Why are you unable to look this information up yourself?

Because you made the claim, so by forum rules it is incumbent upon you to provide citation if requested. Thank you for your "references", I will treat them with the grain of salt they are worth. One was a strange reference to the press, which is irrelevant to this conversation. It is a complete joke to think the Canadian press has more freedom than the press in the US, unless of course you count the last 4 years where anything that would be detrimental to the outgoing administration was eliminated... staring at you Hunter Biden Laptop story.
 
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Undoing in which direction? I've seen Chinese people pissed at "there are so many white sluts here now" and also making jokes that the US has to pay for Ambulances.

So basically, the exact same things people complain about in America every day.
 
You do know he's allowed to live in a country and NOT be okay with its leadership right? Not everyone has funds to move or even WANTS to move and just leave their family behind.

Your message is massively ignorant. You know how governments change? via people that live under them and don't agree with them.
I don’t think it would cause him/her/them that much to move to Ukraine. 🤔
 
Just like we're supposed to have free speech right? And nobody has ever debated about what that really means...

Besides it's a moot point. That freedom doesn't apply to the Chinese. As entitled to everything as Americans feel, this wasn't actually taken away from the Americans. It's taking an incredibly successful psy-op away from the Chinese.

And even that isn't working because NPR tells me these idiots are purposely going from TikTok to some other openly Chinese owned app, explicitly and intentionally to give their information to the CCP. And of course NPR frames that as some brilliant act of defiance.

Boo boo.
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