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Apple Explains Why Stage Manager is Limited to M1 iPads in New Statement
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I think this is also why people are extremely upset, the M1 iPads are probably a small minority of iPad users given that there is a global recession and chip shortages etc and the M1 models happen to be the most expensive models Apple sell too. So to see a whole OS update dedicated to just those devices is a massive blow, and I’m saying a whole OS update because whilst we get iPadOS 16 it is basically in name only and more like iPadOS 15.6 in terms of new stuff that has been added For non M1 users.
I don’t know if it’s true for other companies, but there’s a VERY active and committed “anti-apple” community.The Apple fanboys are kinda hanging out in Apple forums because, you know, it’s an Apple forum. The “anti-apple” folks, rather than avoid anything Apple, find themselves drawn to Apple forums. That’s dedication of a special type!
A community that kisses the a** of a company – any company – is not healthy.
For example, imagine you have a close friend, and that friend has a drinking problem. But instead of telling that friend to stop drinking, because they are nearly homeless and his wife is on the verge of dropping him, you tell them to hit the pedal. You buy him booze. You take him to parties, so you can drink more and more.
Are you really his friend?
This is a loose analogy to show that not showing Apple what they are doing wrong doesn't benefit Apple, and doesn't benefit users. Sure, Apple's practices are working now, but they are corroding user confidence and loyalty. For example, Google is now allowing us to run VMs in Android 13, and said VMs are being implemented to work with specific, restricted privileges, so they run at near native speed. So, Google is doing MORE with more processing power, and Apple is getting behind. I'm not an Android fan, but things like these do make me reconsider my choices, because the value added is insane.
Oh noes! If they do that, you won't buy the shiniest M2 iPad that can run 10 apps at once and run Solitaire!
Think of Tim Cook's salary!
The resolution and color depth AND refresh rate all make a huge difference though. OH, AND the amount of RAM used by the OS and used by the applications. I doubt there’s very many iPad apps that use less than 6 MB of RAM.I find it quite remarkable, that I could have more than 4 apps multitasking in multiple windows and several desktops at once in 1994 on my Amiga 1200 with 14 MHz single core 16/32 bit CPU, 6 MB RAM and 420 MB hard drive with incredibly low transfer rates for todays standards
Don’t be silly. Your mac will slow down when pushed because that’s how operating systems designed like that work. They time slice and try to give every program running equal priority. Inevitably when the system runs out of memory (either ram or swap file temp memory) it slows.
I’ve been running these Os’s for decades. Stop pretending.
I mean, the A-series and M-series use the same components, but they are built completely differently.
I think Apple should have included an extended display support option for the USB-C/Thunderbolt equipped, A-powered, iPad Pros for a minimum. This really shows how they’re trying to build out iPadOS from iOS rather than macOS. iOS wasn’t built with this type of multitasking in mind, so I bet it’s a fight with its current natural element.
Hoping they’ll figure something out, I’ll stay optimistic for the group who’s left out. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve been trying to roll this out, but it couldn’t be done without the sheer volume of flex in the components of the M1 SOC. The A-series is at a disadvantage, but going forward Air and Pro users will start to see more exclusive features for their tablets. Once USB-C comes across the entire lineup, plus the M-series chip kick the A-series out too, then this will be a bump in the road.
I think Apple should have included an extended display support option for the USB-C/Thunderbolt equipped, A-powered, iPad Pros for a minimum. This really shows how they’re trying to build out iPadOS from iOS rather than macOS. iOS wasn’t built with this type of multitasking in mind, so I bet it’s a fight with its current natural element.
Hoping they’ll figure something out, I’ll stay optimistic for the group who’s left out. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve been trying to roll this out, but it couldn’t be done without the sheer volume of flex in the components of the M1 SOC. The A-series is at a disadvantage, but going forward Air and Pro users will start to see more exclusive features for their tablets. Once USB-C comes across the entire lineup, plus the M-series chip kick the A-series out too, then this will be a bump in the road.
I can be compared by people like that, but the Mini falls outside the scope of the Air.
I was thinking about those people that don’t have a single Apple product but will take every opportunity to try to increase the number of folks that don’t like Apple, like it’s a crusade for them. I mean, I didn’t even consider that someone would consider themselves anti-Apple AND use Apple products. Are there really people that use Apple products and also consider themselves anti-Apple? If we’re talking flawed logic THAT is flawed.
I feel you are confusing cause with effect.
I suspect the primary season for slowing iPad sales is because the pandemic pulled forward a lot of prospective iPad sales as schools switched to home-based learning, and lots of parents ended up buying laptops and tablets for their children to go online with. So the chief reason why fewer people are buying iPads today is because the people who wanted / needed one have already gotten it, not because they suck.
Apple is not going out of their way to screw over current iPad Pro owners and force them to upgrade their devices. Every iPad from the 2016 9.7" iPad Pro model will get iOS 16. This is the opposite of forced obsolescence.
I foresee the iPad replacement cycle returning to normal in the next 2-3 years. These are not the people who are going to care about stage manager, or the ability to hook their iPads to external displays, because they likely got the cheaper entry level models still sporting the lightning port. Nor will they be getting the M1 iPad Airs because their current models would still get iOS 16, and truth be told, it suffices for the basic stuff anyways.
I must admit I don't notice these people. Maybe a few from the moment I've registered, but this is really unsignificant amount to even consider.
I mean, I didn’t even consider that someone would consider themselves anti-Apple AND use Apple products. Are there really people that use Apple products and also consider themselves anti-Apple? If we’re talking flawed logic THAT is flawed.
Neither did I. You came up with that definition, and my conclusion was you mean Apple users bashing Apple for some recent business decisions, because -as I stated before- the percent of non-Apple users here (and by 'here' I don't mean specific non-Apple subforums) is well below 5%, if that much.
An external GPU adapter does the trick, really. It basically works as a hardware accelerator. An example of that is Elgato capture hardware, or a few specialized HDMI cables. And if you go really high end, there are upscaling devices for that, like the Framemeister.
What stops Apple from adding an upscaling solution into a cable or device and saying: "look, if you need 8k resolution in your 2018 iPad Pro, please use this cable / device for hardware acceleration?"
Nothing. But that doesn't sell a new iPad, does it?
You can still use it for other improvements.
Then what's teh problem? If your current one meets your needs then an upgrade is not needed.
No, they simply keep advancing as newer chips can support more features. No insult to anyone.
Which means it still does what you need. Just becasue you don't get the new shiny doesn't mean Apple has some grand conspiracy to insult you.
They introduced a new model. To expect every accessory for older ones to fit is unreasonable. And I say all of the above as an owner of a 2020 iPad with a Magic Keyboard.
They did - older chips would not run it the way they wanted. That is a justified technological reason.
Doesn't have to. Apple stated it would not run like they felt was required on non-M1 iPads. Apple made a decision based on their assessment of the technology. End of story.
What is Apple doing wrong? They provide free software updates to technology as old as 5+ years. It may not always have every feature on older etch; but it's not like some companies that simply stop older upgrades after a couple of years.
Most users will not care that their iPad won't run Stage Manager. A long as they can get mail, tweet and access Facebook they are happy.
I suspect being able to run a VM is useful for a tiny fraction of Apple's iPad user base. I run one on my Mac, and while it would be nice to have it on an iPad it hardly is a must have.
People would whine "It has a dongle..."
More broadly, I suspect there is no market because if there was someone would offer it at a reasonable price.
Nothing. But that doesn't sell a new iPad, does it?
Off course Apple wants to sell new iPads and adds features they hope will drive purchases. But taht doesn't meant producing things that cater to a tiny market is some sort of a ploy to drive upgrades and sales of new devices.
So, your reasoning is: "Apple has decided that old chips would not run the way they wanted, because they have assessed the technology."
Which boils down to "Apple said so".
But no fact is valid just because a company said so. Apple is not objectively proving anything. They're not a magical, infallible entity. There's no proof anywhere that the 2020 iPad PRO ISN'T capable to run Stage Manager.
Because guess what: one way or another, even if through hardware acceleration, it CAN run Stage Manager.
By the way, that's the same reasoning people used with Windows 11 TPM. They would defend that Windows 11 would not run on old devices because "Microsoft said performance was not optimal".
Only that after a while, Microsoft themselves told people how to bypass TPM, and the "unsupported" systems ran just fine.
So, I think our reasons not to trust Apple are more than valid.
Except they wouldn't. In any scenario, you either need a cable or a Bluetooth device to connect to your external monitor. Hardware acceleration can either be integrated into a special cable OR such a dongle quite nicely.
And don't even dare say a hardware accelerated cable ISN'T possible, because not only it can, but it has been done before.
Here is an example:
So you‘re saying it‘s 14.xx? Because this place went out of their way calling iOS 15 a 14.x point release.
Says who? Who is going to tell the 1 billion apple customers they aren’t healthy?
There is no relevance to the above.
Are you basing your observation on 10 posts on MR? Or do you have some evidence to show the 1+ billion customers have corroding confidence and loyalty?
Vote with your $$$ if you believe there are better cell phones alternatives with better price to value ratio.
Any proof to the contrary?
Yes, apple has made mistakes, however there is no proof anywhere the 2020 iPad IS capable of running gage manager. However MR posters will make their opinions seem like facts.
Citation?
TPM is security not performance. It’s perfectly reasonable to have published minimum requirements.
Microsoft also provided the caveat that at some future point of time these systems may quit working.
YOU and maybe some other MR poster may not “trust” apple, whatever that means…does that mean android is next on the list?
But I'm not saying the 1 billion customers aren't healthy.
I'm saying many people disagree with Apple's practices.
Or are you saying that 1 billion customers automatically agree with Apple's practices?
Have you surveyed all of them? Or even a significant amount of them?
How is YOUR post relevant?
People have posted ample proof just a while ago, including that The A2Z chip can run full MacOS, so it can do full multitasking.
But for some reason, you keep cherrypicking and ignoring that, instead of addressing it.
Why? We are not stupid.
I guess the App Library was the big feature for 15 and a feature that made the iPad more Mac like by not having to have the apps cluttering your Home Screen. However you are right iPadOS has stagnated for a while and the only features that make iPadOS 16 are being left out of the vast majority of iPads in the wild. At least the App Library came to all iPads at the time.
Proof is in the numbers unless you believe that 1 billion customers bought apple products because they are the best of the worst. AS opposed to the best of the best.
I’m not comparing drunk driving to customers buying apple products.
That's the most ridiculous argument ever. Or else, you would have to agree Windows is the best desktop OS, because it has a clear, enduring monopoly, or that Android is than iOS, because they amount to 2.5 billion users
(https://www.businessofapps.com/data...ost popular,users spanning over 190 countries.).
We all know users don't just buy devices because they're technically best. Many other factors weight into their purchase, including being on a budget or because they just "like" a certain device (as opposed to it being objectively best).