Hehe, like the way Touch ID setup asks us to scan the sides of our fingers, it could ask you to tilt your head, remove your glasses, trim your beard, shave your head...
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Apple Exploring Two-Step Touch ID and Facial Recognition System for iPhone 8
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Hehe, like the way Touch ID setup asks us to scan the sides of our fingers, it could ask you to tilt your head, remove your glasses, trim your beard, shave your head...
You can use the fingerprint scanner to lock down individual apps already, eg, 1Password or Scanbot or Apple's own iTunes and App Store apps.
It will....if you make a video of your dog walking, then playback.
I think you can even make it so that the whole display is a touchID, there are gaps in between the leds, even more so on microleds, this will enable touchID to be a layer under the display, now, that would be fantastic.
I got my first TouchID iPhone just a couple of months ago, think touchID is slow, and it won't always recognise my fingers, especially if I go out in the cold, just after a mere few minutes the TouchID doesn't register my Finger.
And, it is the iP6, should be faster than the original TouchID.
The one on 6s is the faster one. 6s onwards.
I don't think the title of the article and the actual contents of the article match. After reading it, it doesn't sound like it would be possible to get such (possible) features in the phone and on the market in 9 months or so. Sounds like something for 2018.
So they're stiffening the flexible display so it won't flex?
What is this about? I totally don't understand.
[doublepost=1485018640][/doublepost]I would like a notification LED. Like I had on my answering machine 40 years ago. And on every cell phone for 20 years. Until Apple.
CAN I HAVE A NOTIFICATION LED APPLE? CAN I? WAAAAAAAA
Kuo has a crazy track record of making very specific predictions and being right like 95% of the time. Not sure why people have a problem with him.
since there will be no home button, think how you switch apps or go home...by 3d touch(pressing harder) on the left of the display...since the oled is lighter than lcd we need this metal construction
I am guessing that facial recognition is in addition to touch id as any half rational person has been suggesting. I will go out on a limb and say that wireless charging will be in addition to using a cable.
Every time something is rumored to be launched it is the same old same old on this site. People come on tosay it isn't ready for prime time, explain how they wouldn't use said feature and go on to further say that because they don't want it or feel a need for it that nobody else should have it either.
Whatever wireless charging is implemented will be an incremental step forward until it is ready to go mainstream. That is how tech works. If you don't like the feature because it isn't ready let the early adopters do the beta testing for you.
Tim if you are listening implement wireless charging and pull the lightning port just for the lulz. I don't think anything suggests they are even close to doing that this year.
Okay so if we don't want wireless charging and we don't want facial recognition, what do we want? A slight bump in processor speeds, a bit more RAM, and more emoji.
I would love to see them pull the lightning jack and have a charging pad bundled in the box. It won't happen though unless they come up with a reasonable way to sync the phone. Not everybody has great wifi speeds right now.
There is no way pure wireless charging with no pad will replace the cable or a charging pad for faster charging at this point. I don't understand why anybody wouldn't want the Energous solution in the next iPhone if it is in addition to the normal way things are done.
If it is a matter of cost than I could see the complaint. People don't want to pay for features they don't want or use. In that case you will be fine because there will most likely be a premium model for the early adopters and the cheaper model for those that don't need it.
So for me I hope it is all engines full steam ahead. If I don't feel the latest offering is up to par I can always wait for the next revision.
We all know if they launch a phone that looks anything like what is pictured in the article it will sell out in minutes world wide. The complaints will shift from price and what it offers to, why can't I have one today?
In ten years when wireless charging is the industry standard for many devices I expect personal apologies from those who say it is stupid. Yes, I am keeping track of names.
Every time something is rumored to be launched it is the same old same old on this site. People come on tosay it isn't ready for prime time, explain how they wouldn't use said feature and go on to further say that because they don't want it or feel a need for it that nobody else should have it either.
Whatever wireless charging is implemented will be an incremental step forward until it is ready to go mainstream. That is how tech works. If you don't like the feature because it isn't ready let the early adopters do the beta testing for you.
Tim if you are listening implement wireless charging and pull the lightning port just for the lulz. I don't think anything suggests they are even close to doing that this year.
Okay so if we don't want wireless charging and we don't want facial recognition, what do we want? A slight bump in processor speeds, a bit more RAM, and more emoji.
I would love to see them pull the lightning jack and have a charging pad bundled in the box. It won't happen though unless they come up with a reasonable way to sync the phone. Not everybody has great wifi speeds right now.
There is no way pure wireless charging with no pad will replace the cable or a charging pad for faster charging at this point. I don't understand why anybody wouldn't want the Energous solution in the next iPhone if it is in addition to the normal way things are done.
If it is a matter of cost than I could see the complaint. People don't want to pay for features they don't want or use. In that case you will be fine because there will most likely be a premium model for the early adopters and the cheaper model for those that don't need it.
So for me I hope it is all engines full steam ahead. If I don't feel the latest offering is up to par I can always wait for the next revision.
We all know if they launch a phone that looks anything like what is pictured in the article it will sell out in minutes world wide. The complaints will shift from price and what it offers to, why can't I have one today?
In ten years when wireless charging is the industry standard for many devices I expect personal apologies from those who say it is stupid. Yes, I am keeping track of names.
This is the biggest waste of time. I would rather have specific actions associated with specific fingers. Like right thump does a shut-down, right index wipes phone and left thumb unlocks. And drop phone from 3 feet locks phone. Need to keep the FBI one their toes.
I don't really have a lot of faith in facial recognition being fast or battery friendly, while still compelling.
In all honesty it's taken until this current version of iphone (7) to really feel like the touchID system is truly seamless, fast, efficient. I don't feel like I'm pressing ... waiting ... then clicking. I can move at "natural speed" and the security is built in, which is truly excellent.
For facial recognition to really work, the camera must be on and scanning in "raise to wake" which could really eat battery life, or alternatively you must do something to turn it on, which doesn't make the process very fast. Any security that is slow is annoying, anything annoying in the realm of security just doesn't fly with most people. Apple has to pull out a quick "it just works" thing yet again.
Additionally, I'm spoiled by the facial recognition used in Windows space. There has to be some level of additional tech to recognize a human, live face vs a picture of me that someone holds up -- and again all of this has to work seamlessly and quickly to get access to something often. Apple does amazing things -- what they haven't managed to do in 10 years of phone development is radically increase battery life.
I'm excited about the possibilities, don't get me wrong, I just am not excited about 1st generation first-world problems. If there's a monumental shift in battery life, or something else that makes this great, I'm all for it. As insinuated in the article, it would probably be best if facial recognition is added as an optional addon to touchID, and let it bake for a while to work out the bugs and efficiencies.
In all honesty it's taken until this current version of iphone (7) to really feel like the touchID system is truly seamless, fast, efficient. I don't feel like I'm pressing ... waiting ... then clicking. I can move at "natural speed" and the security is built in, which is truly excellent.
For facial recognition to really work, the camera must be on and scanning in "raise to wake" which could really eat battery life, or alternatively you must do something to turn it on, which doesn't make the process very fast. Any security that is slow is annoying, anything annoying in the realm of security just doesn't fly with most people. Apple has to pull out a quick "it just works" thing yet again.
Additionally, I'm spoiled by the facial recognition used in Windows space. There has to be some level of additional tech to recognize a human, live face vs a picture of me that someone holds up -- and again all of this has to work seamlessly and quickly to get access to something often. Apple does amazing things -- what they haven't managed to do in 10 years of phone development is radically increase battery life.
I'm excited about the possibilities, don't get me wrong, I just am not excited about 1st generation first-world problems. If there's a monumental shift in battery life, or something else that makes this great, I'm all for it. As insinuated in the article, it would probably be best if facial recognition is added as an optional addon to touchID, and let it bake for a while to work out the bugs and efficiencies.
Noted KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo released a research report today in which he outlined further expectations for Apple's 2017 iPhone, including new biometric identification technology as well as the necessity of a new design to provide better structural support for a flexible OLED display with 3D Touch capability.
Kuo also believes Apple is developing a new Touch ID technology for its next iPhone "to complement its full-screen (zero bezel) form factor design and to enhance transactions security". According to Kuo, the existing "under glass" design of fingerprint recognition doesn't meet the requirements of full-screen form factor designs, therefore an "under panel" placement is required.
As a result, Kuo says Apple aims to switch from the current capacitive-type to an optical-type system. Despite the technology still being in the early stages of development and the fact that OLED panel makers will have to provide bespoke designs for the system to work, Kuo believes Apple has the bargaining power to request the customizations.
Notably, Kuo believes the fingerprint recognition system will "ultimately be replaced by a facial recognition system" for enhanced security. "However, if the technical challenges cannot be overcome, we believe a combination of fingerprint and facial recognition is another possible solution."
Assuming the technological challenges are not too great and adoption this year isn't too soon, Kuo suggests Apple's new system will usher in a "paradigm shift" for the application of biometric identification in smartphones.
Kuo's latest report builds on previous predictions regarding this year's "10th anniversary" iPhone, which is expected to feature a radical redesign with an embedded home button in an edge-to-edge display, a glass body, and potentially wireless charging. Previous rumors suggesting the iPhone 8 could include advanced biometric features like facial recognition or iris scanning have pointed to the possibility that they could also power augmented reality camera functions.
Article Link: Apple Exploring Two-Step Touch ID and Facial Recognition System for iPhone 8
"EXPLORE, MAY, LOOKING AT, UNDER DEVELOPMENT, RUMORED"
All the code words of TIM COOK'S apple legacy and reign.
He predicts it after its apparent. He gets stuff wrong too.
[doublepost=1485021516][/doublepost]curious use of the word "bespoke" for "custom". why use british english style on a US site?
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Nonsense. Cook was effectively CEO for years while Jobs did product design, very atypical. All of Apple 2.0's successes were under Cook as well as Jobs. And even post Jobs Apple is creating amazing hardware while killing it financially, all while retaining highest consumer satisfaction ratings. Oops.
It won't be late, it will arrive on schedule in early September. Any features that aren't ready when they are getting close to mass production will be dropped so they can meet their annual iPhone release date.Sounds like to me, after reading about the possible new technologies they can use, that the next iPhone will be very late. It sounds like most of the technologies are still in development and/or haven't been used before and need extensive testing. Can you say "iPhone 8 in LATE TWO OH ONE EIGHT"!!!
But isn't it somewhat warranted when other smartphone makers are ahead in many features now? The iphone was the gold standard in smartphones up till about the iphone 4. Not that the current models aren't great devices they're just hasn't been much newness (especially the last two years) to them and Android has clearly caught up and surpassed it in many ways. So ya Apple people that remember when the iphone was so ahead in the smartphone game are naturally disappointed when Apple doesn't do much to improve it.
They play that game every year. Last year just really stood out as it was the first time they used essentially the same design 3 years in a row.
I think the problem is that tech does move that fast, but Apple is using improvements in tech to offer the same experience at higher margins. People do see what's out there and possible, and it is disappointing that they don't get it.
The iPhone 4 retina screen was truly amazing in 2010 and there was nothing else on the market like it. But in 2016 they release a phone with the exact same screen tech. In the mean time, other companies offer 1440p screens and are looking towards 4k this year.
The iPhone 4 offered an amazing 16 gig entry model. Through 2015 it was still a 16 gig entry model. Flash has become very, very cheap since the iPhone 4 came out, and it's all gone into Apple's margins. Even a simple little SD card as a bandaid solution isn't offered because Apple is all about their high margin upgrades.
I could go on. Like how did Siri go from revolutionary in 2010 to a stale joke in 2017 or all the modern features on non-Apple phones. But the point is tech is progressing very quickly and all the progress is denied to Apple users. So of course those who peek over the fence are left disappointed, and those who don't peek are in a state of self-imposed denial and just get angry that anyone dare be disappointed with Apple. Then they brag about Apple's profits being so high as if that's good for the consumer.
I use my phone more than 100 times per day (the average iPhone user is said to be pulling their phone out of their pocket 150 times/day) and I can't remember the last time the fingerprint sensor failed to identify me the first time. And that's on a phone with significantly less horsepower than the Windows PC you're comparing it to for some strange reason.
When was the last time I used my phone without looking at it? Why is that important - I didn't write that?! Furthermore, the iPhone is not *all touch screen* - there's that little dimple called the "Home" button. With it as a physical reference, I can pull my phone out of my jeans pocket and unlock it before it's in front of my face. Clearly that's quicker than first holding it up to your face and waiting whatever fraction of a second a mobile will take to recognize your face.
I'm not saying facial recognition in general isn't good tech. I'm saying in a mobile phone it doesn't add much/any value over fingerprint sensing. Just because it's possible,doesn't make something a good idea.
And will grow even longer once we get closer to the World Wide Developers Conference. I'm curious to see if the facial recognition is accurate or not. I think it might be something we will see in the iPhone 8.
Noted KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo released a research report today in which he outlined further expectations for Apple's 2017 iPhone, including new biometric identification technology as well as the necessity of a new design to provide better structural support for a flexible OLED display with 3D Touch capability.
Kuo also believes Apple is developing a new Touch ID technology for its next iPhone "to complement its full-screen (zero bezel) form factor design and to enhance transactions security". According to Kuo, the existing "under glass" design of fingerprint recognition doesn't meet the requirements of full-screen form factor designs, therefore an "under panel" placement is required.
As a result, Kuo says Apple aims to switch from the current capacitive-type to an optical-type system. Despite the technology still being in the early stages of development and the fact that OLED panel makers will have to provide bespoke designs for the system to work, Kuo believes Apple has the bargaining power to request the customizations.
Notably, Kuo believes the fingerprint recognition system will "ultimately be replaced by a facial recognition system" for enhanced security. "However, if the technical challenges cannot be overcome, we believe a combination of fingerprint and facial recognition is another possible solution."
Assuming the technological challenges are not too great and adoption this year isn't too soon, Kuo suggests Apple's new system will usher in a "paradigm shift" for the application of biometric identification in smartphones.
Kuo's latest report builds on previous predictions regarding this year's "10th anniversary" iPhone, which is expected to feature a radical redesign with an embedded home button in an edge-to-edge display, a glass body, and potentially wireless charging. Previous rumors suggesting the iPhone 8 could include advanced biometric features like facial recognition or iris scanning have pointed to the possibility that they could also power augmented reality camera functions.
Article Link: Apple Exploring Two-Step Touch ID and Facial Recognition System for iPhone 8
Now if they could simply make a phone that doesn't slow down to a near crawl after about a year or two, that'd be great.