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And you are as that's not how facial recognition systems work. That's more in keeping with some iris scanning systems. Also, almost certainly it will be an "either, both or none" setup.

What's your source for that? Got links to reviews of phones that already use face recognition?
 
Since Apple sells a poduct designed to limit your need to look at your phone (Apple watch) I hope you can see how Apple might be biased when making such claims.
So you think Apple is simply pulling these numbers out of its backside?
BuzzFeed isn't a credible source of anything.
BuzzFeed isn't the source, it is just the conveyor of that information, others reported on the same study. The source is Locket. But you should know this if you cared about how credible the actual source is.
 
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How else does Apple earn record profits, if not by selling great products that people want? This isn't like the Epipen saga where people have no choice but to pay exorbitant prices for a potentially life-saving drug.

I said it my post you're replying to.

From ignorant people in self-imposed denial who refuse to even look at what the competition is offering because they just "know" apple phones are so wonderful. They're the ones spending all their time attacking the people who do look at what tech exists and asking why Apple doesn't offer it.

But you know what? Apple's model is not sustainable as more and more people wake up and see the emperor has no clothes. It's how Sculley almost wiped them out after 4 years of insane profits. It's how Blackberry and Nokia crashed and burned after years of dominance. It's how polaroid died after owning their marked for decades. It's how Xerox failed to be anything but a footnote on the computer industry. Timmy's Apple is going to be another case study that economics professors around the world are going to love for decades.


There are tons of alternatives all around, many cheaper than the iPhone, and still enough people choose the iPhone to make to give Apple over 90% of the industry's profits.

The entire point of the very post you're replying to, the problem is Apple is doing nothing but squeezing margins. That is not a good thing for Apple fans.

And of course I would be happy that Apple earns record profits, as this means it will continue to remain financially healthy and stay around for a good long time to come.

Except that history shows that has not been true a single time since the invention of money. And Steve Jobs said the exact opposite as well.
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Alternatively, the 6s blew the doors off the compeitions SOCs, such that today it is still beating new models in the performance department.

Right, so the 6s is theoretically faster as a processor (which didn't cost Apple a cent because they're just relying on their suppliers' updated fab). I don't disagree with the benchmarks, but I sure don't see a difference in usability. Not that the iPhone 6 had a problem in that respect anyway which is all the more reason it's an asinine thing to focus on. On the other hand, they're still pushing a low res LCD display with huge bezels, limited RAM and flash storage and a budget cellular model. And Siri could have been huge, but they let it stagnate into a stale joke while google and amazon are getting all the benefit.
 
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Going to be one great year for apple! (Yes, other phone makers have had these features for a while now, but let us, iPhone users enjoy the moment/year)
 
What's your source for that? Got links to reviews of phones that already use face recognition?


There's lots of apps you can use FR on phones with, the
I said it my post you're replying to.

From ignorant people in self-imposed denial who refuse to even look at what the competition is offering because they just "know" apple phones are so wonderful. They're the ones spending all their time attacking the people who do look at what tech exists and asking why Apple doesn't offer it.

But you know what? Apple's model is not sustainable as more and more people wake up and see the emperor has no clothes. It's how Sculley almost wiped them out after 4 years of insane profits. It's how Blackberry and Nokia crashed and burned after years of dominance. It's how polaroid died after owning their marked for decades. It's how Xerox failed to be anything but a footnote on the computer industry. Timmy's Apple is going to be another case study that economics professors around the world are going to love for decades.




The entire point of the very post you're replying to, the problem is Apple is doing nothing but squeezing margins. That is not a good thing for Apple fans.



Except that history shows that has not been true a single time since the invention of money. And Steve Jobs said the exact opposite as well.
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Right, so the 6s is theoretically faster as a processor (which didn't cost Apple a cent because they're just relying on their suppliers' updated fab). I don't disagree with the benchmarks, but I sure don't see a difference in usability. Not that the iPhone 6 had a problem in that respect anyway which is all the more reason it's an asinine thing to focus on. On the other hand, they're still pushing a low res LCD display with huge bezels, limited RAM and flash storage and a budget cellular model. And Siri could have been huge, but they let it stagnate into a stale joke while google and amazon are getting all the benefit.


The biggest laugh is that the more successful Apple is the more you use that as evidence that they are going to crash. LOL. Apple is dominating in so many areas, hardware and services, that Google and Facebook, the one trick ponies would kill to have the diversity of success that Apple does. Google gets 90% of its revenue from ads, ditto Facebook. Indeed, Apple's success with services is so great that their revenue from just that area is greater than all of Facebook's combined revenue. And it's growing at an explosive rate from successes such as Apple Pay which has now left Samsung Pay and Android Pay in the dust with Apple Pay having 75% of the entire market. Apple Music zoomed to number 2 in just 18 months and again blew past your favorite companies. Apple is now number 1 in the world in sales of wireless headphones and owns 60% of the worldwide market for premium headphones. They own almost all of the entire cell phone industry's profits and ditto for tablets. In another new market, smart watches, they went from zero to owning that market, and just had a record setting quarter for sales. Oh, and they just had a record setting quarter for App store sales, including a quarter of a billion dollars in revenue on just one day. The stock is at a two year high, etc.

Yes, we know all that is the best evidence that Apple is doomed and is just resting on its laurels of just recently setting the all time record for revenue and becoming the most valuable company on the planet. Yep, they are just gazing at their navels and spending more on R and D than just about any company on the planet with over $11 billion dollars a year. Like you, I'm guessing it's mostly spent on new emojis.
 
I said it my post you're replying to.

From ignorant people in self-imposed denial who refuse to even look at what the competition is offering because they just "know" apple phones are so wonderful. They're the ones spending all their time attacking the people who do look at what tech exists and asking why Apple doesn't offer it.

But you know what? Apple's model is not sustainable as more and more people wake up and see the emperor has no clothes. It's how Sculley almost wiped them out after 4 years of insane profits. It's how Blackberry and Nokia crashed and burned after years of dominance. It's how polaroid died after owning their marked for decades. It's how Xerox failed to be anything but a footnote on the computer industry. Timmy's Apple is going to be another case study that economics professors around the world are going to love for decades.




The entire point of the very post you're replying to, the problem is Apple is doing nothing but squeezing margins. That is not a good thing for Apple fans.



Except that history shows that has not been true a single time since the invention of money. And Steve Jobs said the exact opposite as well.
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Right, so the 6s is theoretically faster as a processor (which didn't cost Apple a cent because they're just relying on their suppliers' updated fab). I don't disagree with the benchmarks, but I sure don't see a difference in usability. Not that the iPhone 6 had a problem in that respect anyway which is all the more reason it's an asinine thing to focus on. On the other hand, they're still pushing a low res LCD display with huge bezels, limited RAM and flash storage and a budget cellular model. And Siri could have been huge, but they let it stagnate into a stale joke while google and amazon are getting all the benefit.
I'm using the SOC to illustrate my point that when one says apple hardware "lags" it is based on how "lags" is defined. And, SIRI has nothing to do with hardware.

And for me the screen is just fine, or else I would have switched phones based on what I perceive is the better screen for me.

Android needs all that ram based on that software architecture. Apple doesn't *need* all of that ram as the software are hardware are tuned in concert.

There are all different ways of looking at this.
 
I said it my post you're replying to.

From ignorant people in self-imposed denial who refuse to even look at what the competition is offering because they just "know" apple phones are so wonderful. They're the ones spending all their time attacking the people who do look at what tech exists and asking why Apple doesn't offer it.
So you would rather believe that there are hundreds of millions of iPhone users in "self-denial" rather than accept the simple fact that Apple does make great products that people like and are willing to pay a premium for.

These critics are so obsessed with what Apple doesn't have that they completely overlook what Apple does do right. An integrated ecosystem. Timely software updates. AppleCare. Great hardware / software package. Secure enclave with A-series processor. For many people, all this matter just as much, if not more than the latest gimmick to show up on an Android smartphone.

And they call me the sheep.

But you know what? Apple's model is not sustainable as more and more people wake up and see the emperor has no clothes. It's how Sculley almost wiped them out after 4 years of insane profits. It's how Blackberry and Nokia crashed and burned after years of dominance. It's how polaroid died after owning their marked for decades. It's how Xerox failed to be anything but a footnote on the computer industry. Timmy's Apple is going to be another case study that economics professors around the world are going to love for decades.

Apple's model is the same as it always was - make a great product which offers a great user experience. And so long as Apple continues to do that, there is no shortage of people willing to pay a premium for a great user experience.

My advice - don't be in a hurry to short your Apple stock. People bet against Apple to their own detriment.

If anything, I would argue that it is Google's business model that is even more unsustainable. Getting the bulk of your revenue by providing a service nobody wants (ads) and which people are actively seeking to circumvent (ad-blockers)?

The entire point of the very post you're replying to, the problem is Apple is doing nothing but squeezing margins. That is not a good thing for Apple fans.

You say "squeezing margins", I say being willing to pay for a great user experience.

My Apple products have cost more upfront, but they have more than paid for themselves in the form of greater productivity and fewer problems.

Android wear is a wash. Nothing beats the W1 chip in the Airpods when it comes to ease of connectivity. The writing experience of the Apple Pencil is second to none.

Let me know when another competitor succeeds in crafting an ecosystem that's as tight-knit and as integrated as what Apple is currently offering.

Don't just look at the sticker price and paper specs of a product in a vacuum, while overlooking how they work. Not everything that matters can be counted, just as not everything can be counted necessarily matters. That is the exact same mistake countless analysts made many years ago, to their own chagrin.

Except that history shows that has not been true a single time since the invention of money. And Steve Jobs said the exact opposite as well.
Because Steve Jobs has a 100% track record when it comes to this sort of thing, right?

Right, so the 6s is theoretically faster as a processor (which didn't cost Apple a cent because they're just relying on their suppliers' updated fab). I don't disagree with the benchmarks, but I sure don't see a difference in usability. Not that the iPhone 6 had a problem in that respect anyway which is all the more reason it's an asinine thing to focus on. On the other hand, they're still pushing a low res LCD display with huge bezels, limited RAM and flash storage and a budget cellular model. And Siri could have been huge, but they let it stagnate into a stale joke while google and amazon are getting all the benefit.
From personal experience, Warhammer:freeblade loads noticeably faster on my iPad Pro (A9x) than on my 6S+ (A9) and even moreso than on my iPad mini (A7).

Then there's all the numerous AI-related processes which run on-device, and benefit from every last ounce of performance that can be squeezed out.

Apple designs their own processors in-house. Saying that they are simply using their suppliers' updated fabs is an insult to the many engineers who toil away at Apple making this possible.
 
Disappointment, no. Left unenthusiastic, yes. The problem is we are encouraged to upgrade annually but tech doesn't move that fast. So of course the "next year's" model is only going to be incremental and unexceptional.

Also it's not surprising that MR readers have imaginations bigger than reality can provide so expectations are larger than that of the general consumer. Certainly tech makers and retailers share in the blame of people being disappointed, if they are. How many times has TC crowed about an exciting product pipeline only to not have shown much at year's end?
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I sure was hoping they would make it more difficult to use and more things to go wrong and now it looks like it has come true.
 
So you think Apple is simply pulling these numbers out of its backside?

BuzzFeed isn't the source, it is just the conveyor of that information, others reported on the same study. The source is Locket. But you should know this if you cared about how credible the actual source is.

Yes. It's financially good for them to claim that people check their phone a lot so they can sell something to "fix" this problem. So yeah, I think the data is either fake or bad.

You didn't give the source. You still haven't. You first said BuzzFeed, now you say Locket. Provide a link.
 
Yes. It's financially good for them to claim that people check their phone a lot so they can sell something to "fix" this problem. So yeah, I think the data is either fake or bad.

You didn't give the source. You still haven't. You first said BuzzFeed, now you say Locket. Provide a link.
I did give a link, actually two, to a publication reporting Apple's numbers (and there were many other places that reported the same Apple numbers) and to the article in Buzzfeed where they quoted a report by Locket (and you can find other articles also referring to the same report by Locket). But you apparently were to lazy to click on that link. I stated very clearly that the Buzzfeed article was referring to a report from a company that offers lockscreens for Android. I didn't quote the name of the company, but if you had wanted to know it, you could have just clicked on that link.

And I guess Apple is then also pulling numbers like OS update adaption rates out of their hat because that makes them look better. And probably sales numbers for iPhones as well. And maybe even their income and profit numbers are fake.
 
I did give a link, actually two, to a publication reporting Apple's numbers (and there were many other places that reported the same Apple numbers) and to the article in Buzzfeed where they quoted a report by Locket (and you can find other articles also referring to the same report by Locket).

LOL - Those are reports not sources. Apple Insider ane Buzzfeed are not reputable sources. Not for any topic.

But you apparently were to lazy to click on that link.

The Apple Insider article has a link to an Apple document, and searching for "80" or "eighty" does not find usage statistics that match their claimed quote. What document says it, and what line is it on? Or are you assuming it's true because you read it on a blog?

I stated very clearly that the Buzzfeed article was referring to a report from a company that offers lockscreens for Android.

So link to the data from the company not Buzzfeed. Buzzfeed is not a reliable source.

I didn't quote the name of the company, but if you had wanted to know it, you could have just clicked on that link.

They are unreliable, so why would I need to click the link to see it? If it were true you would be able to cite a reputable source.

And I guess Apple is then also pulling numbers like OS update adaption rates out of their hat because that makes them look better. And probably sales numbers for iPhones as well. And maybe even their income and profit numbers are fake.

LOL - They have a financial incentive via their sales of the Apple Watch to report higher than average numbers. So yeah, they are a fairly biased source to use. Even if you could take numbers from a biased company, from an unreputable source the article says they "unlock it 80 times a day". It doesn't say that users meant to unlock it, or even wanted to. It doesn't say that people used the device when they unlocked it. It could be that people have a habit of unlocking it when they are nervous, or want to check the time. Then again it doesn't say how apple measured this number. Are they tracking device unlocks on a global scale? How big brother is Apple when it comes to device usage? How did they get that information, of they do have it, without violating privacy?

It doesn't matter because even if the numbers are real, which are highly doubtful, they are not useful.

No one is claiming they are committing investment fraud. Saying people unlock their devices 80 times a day is marketing. Nothing more and nothing less. Don't get me wrong, because it's good marketing. People will hear that number and assume they do that too, because they "use their device a lot" and their battery is always low. It's not that the devices are thinner and less capable of running their hardware for the same amount of time. It's not decreases in performance over time. It's that they unlock it a lot. Maybe they will see the apple watch as a tool to solve a problem they didn't cause.
 
I'm using the SOC to illustrate my point that when one says apple hardware "lags" it is based on how "lags" is defined. And, SIRI has nothing to do with hardware.

And for me the screen is just fine, or else I would have switched phones based on what I perceive is the better screen for me.

Android needs all that ram based on that software architecture. Apple doesn't *need* all of that ram as the software are hardware are tuned in concert.

There are all different ways of looking at this.

The screen has been due an upgrade for many years. Compared to OLED it's not even in the same league
 
That's not what displaymate says.

That's exactly what Displaymate says. The iPhone 7 Plus has the best LCD on the planet.But even the best LCD on the planet cant hold a candle to an average OLED let alone the best oLED
 
That's exactly what Displaymate says. The iPhone 7 Plus has the best LCD on the planet.But even the best LCD on the planet cant hold a candle to an average OLED let alone the best oLED
Indistinguishable from perfect was the phrase they use. Not the hyperbole that is written above.

The iPhone 7 matches or breaks new Smartphone display performance records for:
The Highest Absolute Color Accuracy for any display (1.1 JNCD) – Visually Indistinguishable from Perfect
 
Indistinguishable from perfect was the phrase they use. Not the hyperbole that is written above.

Still not the best display on the planet.Color accuracy is just one metric to evaluate. In addition The colour accuracy is mainly due to the wide colour support which iOS has but not Android.The Samsung displays also support wide colour but cant use them due to Android
 
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There's lots of apps you can use FR on phones with, the

Did you mean to type something else there?

Face recognition works by studying the geometry of the components of your face. If it can't see most of your face, this is a problem. I just did an experiment - I picked up and unlocked my phones as I would do to read and reply to a message, then I took a photo of myself using the front camera. The resulting picture is mostly of the ceiling, with my forehead, eyes and top of my nose at the bottom of the picture. If that's enough for the facial recognition then there won't be a problem. It's not enough for the face recognition in Photos though, which hasn't identified this picture as one of me.
 
Still not the best display on the planet.Color accuracy is just one metric to evaluate. In addition The colour accuracy is mainly due to the wide colour support which iOS has but not Android.The Samsung displays also support wide colour but cant use them due to Android
the most accurate is the best.
 
would be cool if you could fit a chip in your brain and then just think about it and your phone does it
 
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