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Apple Exploring Two-Step Touch ID and Facial Recognition System for iPhone 8

manu chao said:
szw-mapple did his or her work on that list, wouldn't it be upon the person refuting the general notion to do some work to prove his or her point?
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If there is source that should have reliable data on this, it would be Apple. They fully control the hardware and software stock on their phones (in regard to unlocking), that should make their data very comprehensive and thus accurate. They published a number of 80 times per
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manu chao said:
szw-mapple did his or her work on that list, wouldn't it be upon the person refuting the general notion to do some work to prove his or her point?
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Slow down and read before you post. I didn't refute his claim I agreed with it.
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chr1s60 said:
So true. I really miss the days of not knowing before it was announced. It made Keynotes much more exciting and entertaining.
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Totally!!! Sigh... I remember having keynote parties where a friend with broadband would rent out a projector and we'd stream the hot news live. For one party he did his own green screen video before the keynote where he put himself on the stage and asked for small donations to help out with rental costs...etc.

'one more thing...' [followed by a product that either wasn't on any rumours sites or was some fringe rumour that nobody expected]
 
Facial recognition sounds kinda annoying - I bet you'll need to line it up and hold your phone up higher than you normally would. But maybe I'll be wrong :)
 
mazz0 said:
Facial recognition sounds kinda annoying - I bet you'll need to line it up and hold your phone up higher than you normally would. But maybe I'll be wrong :)
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And you are as that's not how facial recognition systems work. That's more in keeping with some iris scanning systems. Also, almost certainly it will be an "either, both or none" setup.
 
Der Keyser said:
If the touchID tech is currently where the paper describes it now, it will be nowhere near ready for millions of produced iphones i october. So forget about this bezelfree edge-to-edge OLED phone. It's not happening (for now). The 10th anniversary phone will be a LOT less advanced and dreamy compared to all these rumours. It may be more than our usual incremental S upgrades, but it's surely not going to be any sort of "major leap forward" type release.

Settle down and adjust your expectations. That way you will spare yourself from a lot of disapointment come october :)
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Yes according to you, however people like you kept getting it wrong from the time you all said that Apple could not make fingerprint tech work on an iPhone to the time you all said there would be no larger size iPhone 6. If the iPhone 8 is underwhelming then the markets will punish Apple as they are expecting a huge upgrade. Besides we only have what analysts say to go on and none of them are that great, even Kuo.
 
CharlesShaw said:
and that horizontal symmetry causes them to hold it upside down. :rolleyes:
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There may not be an 'upside down'. The phone can already detect which way up your holding it. It's possible to use that recognition to autorotate whatever is being displayed on the screen so that it is never presented upside down.
 
Royal Gala said:
So do I. Touch ID is extremely fast on it. Perhaps you haven't scanned your fingerprint properly, your home button needs a wipe, or you have a defective unit.
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Touch ID simply does not work for some people. I stopped using it because it failed about half the time. It works okay-ish when my finger is super dry, but any bit of moisture, sweat, or temperature difference (cold phone, warm finger) and it's very unreliable.

It's super awkward around other people, too - when you try to unlock it, only to have to use a passcode in the end. Mind you, iPhone is not very popular over here and they probably have no idea what you're trying to do, they just see it takes half a minute to unlock a damned smartphone.

Oh, and that happens on both the phone and iPad, I doubt both are defective.
 
Royal Gala said:
There may not be an 'upside down'. The phone can already detect which way up your holding it. It's possible to use that recognition to autorotate whatever is being displayed on the screen so that it is never presented upside down.
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Seems simple enough, but not until a future when the absence of physical volume control buttons would be accepted by the masses.
 
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vault said:
Touch ID simply does not work for some people. I stopped using it because it failed about half the time. It works okay-ish when my finger is super dry, but any bit of moisture, sweat, or temperature difference (cold phone, warm finger) and it's very unreliable.

It's super awkward around other people, too - when you try to unlock it, only to have to use a passcode in the end. Mind you, iPhone is not very popular over here and they probably have no idea what you're trying to do, they just see it takes half a minute to unlock a damned smartphone.

Oh, and that happens on both the phone and iPad, I doubt both are defective.
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You are right, with the cases you`ve just mentioned. It goes on my nerves, when I just washed my hands and afterwards my fingertips aren`t completely dry, when I want to use Touch ID. I end up using my passcode then. I use Touch ID, it´s practical, for me.
 
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Can someone explain why iPhone needs a flexible display? What are the practical applications? Doesn't folding an iphone make it twice as thick?
 
vault said:
Touch ID simply does not work for some people. I stopped using it because it failed about half the time. It works okay-ish when my finger is super dry, but any bit of moisture, sweat, or temperature difference (cold phone, warm finger) and it's very unreliable.

It's super awkward around other people, too - when you try to unlock it, only to have to use a passcode in the end. Mind you, iPhone is not very popular over here and they probably have no idea what you're trying to do, they just see it takes half a minute to unlock a damned smartphone.

Oh, and that happens on both the phone and iPad, I doubt both are defective.
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That's not been my experience, and it's not been the experience of others either. Plenty of iphone/ipad users, instead, complain about how fast touch id has become since the 6s. I'm sure other people have had similar issues to you, but i'm also sure you are in the minority.
 
DevNull0 said:
I think the problem is that tech does move that fast, but Apple is using improvements in tech to offer the same experience at higher margins. People do see what's out there and possible, and it is disappointing that they don't get it.

The iPhone 4 retina screen was truly amazing in 2010 and there was nothing else on the market like it. But in 2016 they release a phone with the exact same screen tech. In the mean time, other companies offer 1440p screens and are looking towards 4k this year.

The iPhone 4 offered an amazing 16 gig entry model. Through 2015 it was still a 16 gig entry model. Flash has become very, very cheap since the iPhone 4 came out, and it's all gone into Apple's margins. Even a simple little SD card as a bandaid solution isn't offered because Apple is all about their high margin upgrades.

I could go on. Like how did Siri go from revolutionary in 2010 to a stale joke in 2017 or all the modern features on non-Apple phones. But the point is tech is progressing very quickly and all the progress is denied to Apple users. So of course those who peek over the fence are left disappointed, and those who don't peek are in a state of self-imposed denial and just get angry that anyone dare be disappointed with Apple. Then they brag about Apple's profits being so high as if that's good for the consumer.
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Alternatively, the 6s blew the doors off the compeitions SOCs, such that today it is still beating new models in the performance department. The 6s in total is an amazing phone and the iphone 7 improved upon many aspects, especially with the wide gamut screen, innovative dual lens, multi-core architecture etc. I could go on as you said. It all depends on your point of view, doesn't it.
 
Royal Gala said:
So do I. Touch ID is extremely fast on it. Perhaps you haven't scanned your fingerprint properly, your home button needs a wipe, or you have a defective unit.
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Just to pick up on one aspect of your reply, the user is never to blame, bad hardware and bad software are to blame in my opinion. If the fingerprint wasn't scanned properly, then the software should have asked the user to continue scanning it until it was scanned and fully operational. Not a fan of user blaming because I believe when correctly engineered, software and hardware can eliminate all errors giving the user a seamless experience.
Can't begin to tell you how disappointing Siri is on macOS Sierra, it gets my requests wrong 95% of the time, on iPhone, thankfully it's the complete opposite and on Apple TV it's about 50/50. Software and hardware need to work, not the user. :)
 
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smacrumon said:
Just to pick up on one aspect of your reply, the user is never to blame, bad hardware and bad software are to blame in my opinion. If the fingerprint wasn't scanned properly, then the software should have asked the user to continue scanning it until it was scanned and fully operational. Not a fan of user blaming because I believe when correctly engineered, software and hardware can eliminate all errors giving the user a seamless experience.
Can't begin to tell you how disappointing Siri is on macOS Sierra, it gets my requests wrong 95% of the time, on iPhone, thankfully it's the complete opposite and on Apple TV it's about 50/50. Software and hardware need to work, not the user. :)
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Except when the home button needs a clean i guess....
 
I wish Apple would come up with facial recognition system that could tell if you've got your head down texting and driving.

When it detects you doing this, the phone would be disabled and message would pop up saying...smarten up!!
 
smacrumon said:
Can someone explain why iPhone needs a flexible display? What are the practical applications? Doesn't folding an iphone make it twice as thick?
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A practical application of a flexible display would be a pocketable device that could unfold with a larger screen when that was desired.
 
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manu chao said:
szw-mapple did his or her work on that list, wouldn't it be upon the person refuting the general notion to do some work to prove his or her point?
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If there is source that should have reliable data on this, it would be Apple. They fully control the hardware and software stock on their phones (in regard to unlocking), that should make their data very comprehensive and thus accurate. They published a number of 80 times per day last year as many publications, eg, AppleInsider, reported on. Now, that number might be changing over time and the average for Android might very well differ noticeably. In a story reporting on Apple's numbers, Buzzfeed, for example, reported on numbers from a third-party lock screen for Android provider which determined a number of 110 unlocks per day. How representative their study is, is hard to say, but given that it reported a number quite similar to Apple's number, in order of 100 times per day, it probably is reasonably close. There might a significantly different usage pattern at the very bottom of the Android range but for an active and engaged smartphone users, in the order of 100 times per day is good starting point.
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Since Apple sells a poduct designed to limit your need to look at your phone (Apple watch) I hope you can see how Apple might be biased when making such claims.

BuzzFeed isn't a credible source of anything.

The fact that other, more reliable sources put that number much lower makes me think it's highly inflated. In any case, 80 is much lower than the 150 quoted by the other post.
 
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