Apple Falls From 1st to 17th Spot in 'World's Most Innovative Company' Rankings

[fokmik]

You cant innovate every year...2018 was a trend year
2019 however Apple if its serious can innovate through Mac Pro , Apple Display 6k3k and also again through A13 chip

 

[MrKahuna]

Apple certainly could be doing better but how are these charts made up?

For example Walt Disney. What are they doing besides Toy Story 15, Frozen 69, rerun of Lion King and copying Netflix? NBA? Really?

I can't talk about the other companies (besides Alibaba which is a sort of Amazon copy) because I have never heard of most of them.

This list does seem a little odd. Disney is called out for their new streaming service which hasn’t even released yet. Seems a bit premature to evaluate it yet much less declare it innovative.

 

[YaBe]

These boards are so funny, everyone is so anti-Apple.

It's funny how people expressing their opinion, is considered Anti-Apple.
Or simply because this board is called MacRumors people should only say good things about Apple?

I mean is it not true that the critique are the one that make you better? One does just need to read it the right way, it's a matter of perception.

Apple has not lost its path, it just changed it, some like it some don't, but if you do not like the path are you not allowed to say it?

You say Anti Apple, I say Pro Apple, they just want Apple to do better!

 

[timber]

This list does seem a little odd. Disney is called out for their new streaming service which hasn’t even released yet. Seems a bit premature to evaluate it yet much less declare it innovative.

Even if it had been released it would have to be one hell of a streaming service.

After Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Youtube, Video, Spotify, also Apple, who knows more, coming up with a streaming service and calling it innovative is quite the stretch.

 

[MrUNIMOG]

It's funny how people expressing their opinion, is considered Anti-Apple.
Or simply because this board is called MacRumors people should only say good things about Apple?

I mean is it not true that the critique are the one that make you better? One does just need to read it the right way, it's a matter of perception.

Apple has not lostit's path, it just changed it, some like it some don't, but if you do not like the path are you not allowed to say it?

There's quite a difference between valid criticism and mere cynicism. The latter is what you'll encounter around here mostly.

 

[mollyc]

Fast Company today published its annual rankings of the 50 most innovative companies in the world, with Apple dropping from 2018's top spot to 17th place this year.

According to the rankings, the most innovative company for 2019 is Chinese tech firm Meituan Dianping, which "expedites the booking and delivery of services such as food, hotel stays, and movie tickets." In 2018, the platform facilitated $33.8 billion transaction for more than 350 million people in 2,800 cities.

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Other companies in the top five include Singapore-based ride-hailing company Grab, NBA, The Walt Disney Company, and women's fishing e-commerce service Stitch Fix.

Article Link: Apple Falls From 1st to 17th Spot in 'World's Most Innovative Company' Rankings

I know that nearly no one on this forum cares, but Stitch Fix is not a “fishing” store. They sell women’s clothing from various retailers so you can try them on a home without shopping multiple stores.

 

[apolloa]

I’d put them lower personally. This and the story in dropping iPhone sales is why people say Apple is on the decline, not finished or ‘DOOMED’, but certainly in the decline.
And all since Cook took charge...

 

[TheFluffyDuck]

These boards are so funny, everyone is so anti-Apple.

No, we are anti-modern Apple. It used to be really, really great. Insanely great! We are unhappy with the direction of the company is heading, it has become generic, underpowered hardware, with prices that are a giant "**** you!" to most people. Apple used to be into eduction, now they are into fashion. Instead of iBooks, kids get iPad minis. It's a joke.
I, like many here, are still holding on to hope that Apple will have a return to form. There are sparks of hope, AirPods are great and affordable. The new iPad Pro and the new Apple pencil solution (price no withstanding) truely are an amazing product. But the "whenever we feel like it" computer line updates, and announcements of features and products that are used to boost sales, but either take years to materialise, US centric, or don't show up at all, is so pedestrian for a trillion dollar company.

 

[fokmik]

I’d put them lower personally. This and the story in dropping iPhone sales is why people say Apple is on the decline, not finished or ‘DOOMED’, but certainly in the decline.
And all since Cook took charge...

Since Tim, apple watch was a great product, airpods great product, W1 chip/T1 chip were innovative , from 3.5" now we have 5-6" iphones with better STBR, ipad pros for 2 years in a row, retina Macbook pro also were declared the best mac and windows laptops took the best display tehn and so on...

 

[prasand]

all we hear from Apple fans is "Apple waits and does it right"; in other words copying something NOT innovating.

“Innovation - the act of innovating. Innovating - gerund or present participle of innovate. Innovate - make changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas, or products.“

What you diminish to be copying is literally innovation. Innovation does not require making something new. The “new” perception of the word is actually secondary, the primary definition of innovation is to make changes to something established. So if a company primarily copies Apple but approaches it differently, or even makes a slight tweak, they too have literally innovated. It’s not the “new innovation” bias many want, but rather the innovation they’d discard / discredit.

Regardless, Apple literally innovates. Not something completely new all the time, but many of the things they do is a rethinking (or thinking new) of what already existed.

These boards are so funny, everyone is so anti-Apple.

Par for the course. 80%+ of the world’s smart phone market are Android users, and each is to some degree anti-Apple (even if they are only anti-price / cost). Even if only 13% of that 80 were strongly against Apple, they would still outnumber all Apple users (even the non-passionate Apple users) combined, and many would end up here. Add them to the people that are only moderate fans of Apple, and you’ll get a currently insurmountable percentage of negativity.

 

[Souponastick270]

Sounds about right.

Haven't seen anything truly ground breaking from Apple for a while really,

• OLED phone screen ? Already been done before Apple did it.
• Dual camera ? So 2016
• Wireless charging ? Apple still hasn't released AirPower and that was shown off in 2017
• Fast charging ? Apple still don't supply a fast charging wall plug out of the box
• Connectivity ? Say you bought a new MacBook Pro and a new iPhone at the same time, you can't even connect the two together out the box! You need to pay for a Lightning to USB-C cable. (At this point I'd be happy if Apple dropped Lightning on iPhones and went to USB-C)

 

[maflynn]

People don't know anymore what innovation even means. The word has been repeated so many times it has lost all meaning.

Using
Meriam-Webster, what has apple done that others have not or effect a change in?
I will say the HomePod (largely a failure due to Siri, and pricing) and the earpods are innovative.

 

[Classie]

These boards are so funny, everyone is so anti-Apple.

Yeah, it really is funny. What is going on - why are they so many haters. Do people enjoy reading bad news and feeling miserable!?

 

[Heineken]

Using
Meriam-Webster, what has apple done that others have not or effect a change in?
I will say the HomePod (largely a failure due to Siri, and pricing) and the earpods are innovative.
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I can say Apple legitimately innovated with HomePod because unlike other voice assistant enabled speakers it can hear you from away even when it's very loud and you don't have to scream at it and repeat commands multiple times. ON the other hand people literally said Samsung or some other company innovated because they used a 3500+ mAh battery in a phone. which is nonsense.

 

[medialook]

No worries, few more animojis and watchbands and the top spot is theirs again...

You forgot to mention transparent phone case with innovative price point.

 

[Scottsoapbox]

Stitch Fix is a fashion not fishing company.

 

[YaBe]

Yeah, it really is funny. What is going on - why are they so many haters. Do people enjoy reading bad news and feeling miserable!?

It's so funny you think people feel miserable because of a bad news for Apple

 

[CordovaLark]

What does the NBA do that is innovative?

 

[MrUNIMOG]

It's so funny you think people feel miserable because of a bad news for Apple

Well, that constant bitterness and negativism can only come from a dark place.

 

[prasand]

I will say the HomePod (largely a failure due to Siri, and pricing) and the earpods are innovative.
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Indeed.

And funny, because that primary definition muddles matters even more. It reflects that the current (non-archaic) meaning of innovate, merely requires “introducing as if new” even if it’s not. So literally anyone could claim something to be innovative, and would literally be such. *sighs*

Ultimately those definitions require a direct object, they have to be addressing something specific like “HomePod is innovative” (like you correctly used). But when most are addressing the company itself, they are using it intransitively. The intransitive definition was cut off from your screenshot, but it says “to make changes : do something in a new way”

Which according to that, then every time an iOS update is released, there are many innovations within. Therefore, it really depends on the level of innovation one is limiting their perception to. Regardless, Apple is literally innovative, even if they only claim it.

Ultimately, I think people put too much personal meaning into the term “innovation”, when it by definition is not that serious / is casual.

 

[I7guy]

No worries, few more animojis and watchbands and the top spot is theirs again...

That’s the reason Apple WAS number one. Apple needs more emojis and watch bands.

Like $1T easy come, easy go. Oh well.

 

[barmann]

Well, that constant bitterness and negativism can only come from a dark place.

Yeah, from Apple headquarters ...

 

[ipponrg]

There's quite a difference between valid criticism and mere cynicism. The latter is what you'll encounter around here mostly.

Cynicism can also be valid criticism. Cynicism usually puts a reality check. There is some over the top cynicism, but a lot of it is perfectly valid. Most pro Apple posters only see the black and white and never the grey area. The grey area is often mistakenly interpreted as “negative” by the same posters.

Given your past posts, I will call out that you do neither. You are nearly perfectly happy with Apple which is great! But there are others that have entirely different goals with using Apple, so both are perfectly valid.

 

[maflynn]

I can say Apple legitimately innovated with HomePod because unlike other voice assistant enabled speakers it can hear you from away even when it's very loud and you don't have to scream at it and repeat commands multiple times. ON the other hand people literally said Samsung or some other company innovated because they used a 3500+ mAh battery in a phone. which is nonsense.

Like I said, I'm not disagreeing, the technology used to produce great sounds is astounding, yet at the end of the day. The Homepod is a failure when measured up against Amazon and Google. Btw, I own a Homepod and enjoy it.

This Samsung fold is innovative on many levels, and its success is up in the air at such an early juncture but the technology developed to make this happen is completely mind blowing.

 

[Suttree]

What an incredibly flawed list. These people don’t know what real innovation means. Innovation is a process that results in a MEANINGFUL change. It takes a lot of erudition to recognize innovation because it requires knowing details and the challenges of problems that need to be solved. The cross-discipline expertise required to create things that are “invisible” to regular folk. Technology is innovative when used as tools. And there is only one company walking the talk of innovation. Just one. Had these jokers known this they would have put Samsung at the very top.