No, there wouldn’t be. Most people don’t have time to be futzing around with repairing things.
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Apple Fights Proposed Right to Repair Legislation With Warnings of Consumer Harm
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Great...so you're just here to Apple bash? I mean really, what's the point? I am doing research when I post here because I own AAPL...and you are here to say Apple sucks?
Look at their financials. Apple is killing it and doing so while they transition into a services company.
Right to repair is a tiny distraction. Look how current cars are made. Manufactures don't want owners fiddling around under the hood so they cover everything to make it impossible to see. My BMW doesn't even have a dipstick, so I can't check the oil. And you know what? That's probably for the best. Apple can't guarantee repairs are done properly if they don't do them or authorize a repair shop to do them. Tons of repairs are done with unauthorized parts and in turn make the iPhone lower quality than original.
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Yes, those are guesses. The official numbers show a 17% drop in iPhone sales, so those are correct.
AGAIN, these "stories" are speculation and FICTION made up by extrapolating data. These are not official numbers.
THESE are the numbers. Source: Sec.gov
iPhone is down 17%, but ipad is up 20%, services are up 16%, and wearable are up 30%. That's why the market sent AAPL up 5% because investors aren't surprised a mature product like iPhone is down. This company is moving toward their growth businesses (Services, wearables, and mobile computing).
People like me? What exactly does that mean?
Curious why you ignored the fact the auto industry flourishes with independent shops and aftermarket parts, yet still requires dealer visits for some repairs that are too difficult or can compromise security.
Why are you comparing watches to laptops and desktops when the #1 device people refer to when talking about repairs is the iPhone?
apple already takes a lot of steps to make their devices less repairable, just ask any repair tech that doesn't work for apple. no one wants to just replace a perfectly good device for a minor issue that could be fixed. in my opinion apple is making a bigger trash pile of what they consider to be un-repairable devices than anyone else out there. its obvious that they recycle the parts for their own refurbs that they routinely issue as "new" when you have to get your device replaced. really, its just greed on their part to fight against the right to repair. shame on you apple.
I'm not sure you can get parts directly from Samsung, but they have authorized dealers who will sell you OEM parts. Here's an example:
https://www.samsungparts.com/Default.aspx
dude you drank ALL of the apple kool aid before you responded. great, you have apple stock and you cant be trusted to check your own oil? go back to sleep while the rest of the world fights becoming sheep.
So, do you expect that Apple is going to provide training classes? Safety equipment?
There are plenty of shops already that do Apple repair work, just like there are plenty of people at home that repair Apple equipment. What is the real issue here? Safety is a valid concern. Even trained techs make mistakes occasionally.
Do you know what board level repair is? Apple doesn’t do repair they only replace logic boards, casings and screens or keyboards. By not allowing access to parts and schematics they keep good 3rd party shops, where they do actuall board level repairs, in the dark. It’s not about you being able to repair it yourself it is also about having an option to take it to shop like Louis has and have it fixed for half the price.
And at the end of the day no one is stopping you from taking it to apple and having a royally high chance of being ripped off.
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Safety is a bs excuse, everyone knows what it’s all about.
What shops do apple repair work? You mean apple authorised? They don’t do repair they do replacement.
Apple itself or apple authorised services don’t do board level repairs they do replacements.
I can give you many examples in Mac where you can fix a computer without replacing logic board and most of those issues come from ****** apple design like jtag placement in or lcd connector pins not having ground pin between high voltage pin and pin that goes to mux chip.
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Totally agree. I know dozens of people who own iPhones and there isn't one of them who would even think about repairing it themselves. I include myself even though I've been in tech for many years and built and repaired PCs and Macs many times.
There's a tiny percentage of end users who even care about this.
Not that I disagree with your general position, but the BMW example is poor.
The reason there’s no dipstick is because BMW engines require a specific value for crankcase pressure (actually vacuum) to run properly. A dipstick, improperly installed/sealed, can allow air to leak causing engine running issues. I don’t recommend trying this unless you have a scanner to clear the possible fault codes, but if you open your oil cap while the engine is running and carefully try to lift it up you’ll feel the vacuum holding it in place. If you open it slightly you will soon see your engine idle get rough. BMW uses an oil level sensor in the sump (oil pan) to measure level and you can check the level through your iDrive screen. Now, would you rather check your oil from iDrive, or open the hood, get out a rag and measure on a dipstick?
However, BMW is a great example for right to repair and its benefits/limitations. There are lots of independent BMW shops. BMW will sell these shops parts to repair vehicles (and even give you a discounted “wholesale” price). Aftermarket companies also make common replacement parts for most BMW models if you want to save money after the warranty expires.
But there are certain parts BMW will require a visit to the dealer for. If you want a new remote key, BMW will order one from Germany, after you’ve provided ID and vehicle registration to prove you’re the owner. BMW dealers can’t create remote keys as they are coded and matched to the VIN. This is for security. So you have to wait for BMW Germany to create the key and ship it to the dealer. So even actual BMW dealers are restricted on things they can do. The same holds true for a CAS or BDC (the modules in your BMW that work in conjunction with the remote key to unlock/start your vehicle).
Other components in BMWs are only usable once. To prevent theft and criminals trying to make new cars out of stolen cars, certain components can’t be swapped. Like the engine ECU or transmission/mechatronics. If they are put into a different vehicle your engine won’t start or the transmission won’t go into gear. They are hard coded to the vehicle VIN and won’t work if swapped.
Now think of the iPhone. Parts in a BMW that are hard coded to a vehicle would be like security components in an iPhone that are paired to the device (think of TouchID and error 53 from awhile back). These parts are ones Apple would never sell to independent shops and getting them replaced requires a dealer (Apple Store) visit.
So if right to repair goes through I don’t think Apple has much to worry about. There’s precedent in the auto industry to restrict certain components (security related) while still allowing common repairs (batteries).
This is why I don’t understand why Apple is fighting this, unless there’s an “all or nothing” clause in the bill that would force Apple to make ALL components available. As I said, there’s precedent in the auto industry to apply restrictions, so Apple can keep their most important secrets, a secret.
I will take those numbers over the iphone shipment numbers Apple sends out...Oh wait...they don't do that anymore
Post some facts or real content and I might have a discussion with you. Otherwise, hate on.
If AppleCare were 48 months, I think I would actually buy it. As it is, since I keep my phones for quite a while, the chance of needing a battery or screen in two years is pretty low, for me at least, so I don’t bother. For me OEM batteries last about 2.5-3 years before being frustrating to use.
Very few repairs if any require a trip to the dealer.
And I can't think of any that would compromise safety.
Great so you're hear to just blindly defend Apple? I mean really what's the point? You are here to say Apple is perfect?
I can repair my own car, various things at my house and my own electronics. Why should I pay extra for something I want to do to MY product I BOUGHT?
I recently needed tierod and ball joints for my car. I was quoted 476 dollars excluding parts. I paid 78 dollars for parts and did it myself in 3 hours.
All you are about is Apple making more money so that the stock goes up. So you don't want consumers to have the right to repair. I get it.
I am curious, for all the countries that don't have an Apple store nor a third party approved vendor to do repairs, what should those citizens do when their device breaks?
“consumers could hurt themselves attempting to repair their own devices”
Ahaha well Apple, you better start making your dangerous unsafe devices meet some minimum safety requirement. See it was ok to poison Chinese people with benzene, now you wanna protect the rest of us.
Ahaha well Apple, you better start making your dangerous unsafe devices meet some minimum safety requirement. See it was ok to poison Chinese people with benzene, now you wanna protect the rest of us.
I told you my point for being here. I am a shareholder and this is research for me. The right to repair subject is such a non factor for AAPL financials, I couldn't care less.
My point is, Apple isn't the only company that doesn't want users fiddling around with their products. I see Apple's point. Safety, quality of repair, quality of parts, etc.
I never brought up safety in any of my posts. I brought up security. And many security related items in your vehicle will require a dealer visit.
If repairability isn't important to customers, Apple's battery replacement program would not have been as overwhelming as it was. It's one reason Cook attributes to lower than usual phone upgrades.
Owners (should) want the right to service their purchases, whether they undertake the task personally, or have someone other than Apple do it for them. Apple can arbitrarily obsolete their products before their usefulness is depleted. They can refuse to perform repairs that they personally aren't equipped for, or that aren't profitable to them. If they are the sole service provider, they can charge what they like.
A smartphone's components may not be accessible to Users, but that doesn't deter equipped technicians. In fact, I'd wager that a luxury wristwatch is harder to navigate than any electronic device. And accessibility isn't limited to iDevices. There's no excuse for an iMac's sealed design other than aesthetics (visible screws).
Frankly, I sometimes wish upon Apple customers the abuses and deceits they they excuse. It would be interesting to see how far Users let Apple erode their independence. However, while my reliance and interest in consumer electronics is declining as I age, my concern for citizens, consumers, and workers is increasing.
did you post facts or was it just your opinion? cause i saw no facts other than you saying it was probably " for the best" that you can't check your oil in your car that you own. not everyone wants to own devices or vehicles that are designed to only be worked on the manufacturer. do you think a mechanic or electronics engineer are just so willly nilly that they will just pay thru the nose for repairs they could easily do themselves. really its just common sense that you mis-spoke.
Well stop commenting on CONSUMERS point of view and go to the AAPL forum.
What other company does this? Last I checked you can get OEM BMW parts at many different auto parts stores. So that example was useless.
Tesla I believe does this and I disagree with them as well.
I like how you avoided my question in my previous post...guess you have no answer to it...which shows your point makes no sense from a consumer point of view.
I posted plenty of facts. I can see why Apple doesn't want just anyone screwing around in their hardware. Quality of repair is a huge issue.
So you just assume everyone is as ignorant and unqualified as you are?
There are tons of BMW repairs you can't do yourself. Like anything with the ECU, programming, injector coding, etc. Even the battery needs registration and programming from dealer equipment. I own 2 BMWs.
Again, try to stop being so emotional and consider why this is the case. Apple doesn't want consumers to be unsatisfied with the quality of repair, hurt themselves, etc. Tiny electronics are different than changing tires on a car.