This effects everyone because they would have to design all devices to be capable of user repair. I don’t want my devices getting bigger and heavier just to satisfy the small percentage of consumers who don’t want to use Apple for their repairs. In almost 2 decades of owning Apple devices I’ve never once came out of pocket for a repair
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Apple Fights Proposed Right to Repair Legislation With Warnings of Consumer Harm
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How is it going to harm you? If you don't trust a 3rd party just bring it to Apple store and pay 700 for motherboard replacement with exactly same design flaw. This is too funny.
With modern cars becoming more computer centric and complicated it’s already becoming exactly that.
Apple is fighting Right to Repair initiatives in California by telling lawmakers that consumers could hurt themselves attempting to repair their own devices, reports Motherboard.
Over the course of the last few weeks, an Apple representative and a lobbyist for ComTIA, a trade organization representing major tech companies, have been meeting with legislators in California with the aim of killing right to repair legislation that would make it easier for customers to repair their own electronics.
The pair have met with members of the Privacy and Consumer Protection Committee, which held a meeting on a right to repair bill this afternoon. Apple told lawmakers that customers could potentially injure themselves by accidentally puncturing the batteries in Apple devices during attempted repairs.Apple has continually lobbied against right to repair legislation across multiple states. Such legislation would require companies like Apple to provide repair parts, tools, and make repair information available to the public.
Apple devices are notoriously hard to repair given the small, proprietary components and large amounts of adhesive, with repair site iFixit giving Apple products almost universally low repair scores.
Still, the difficult repairability has not stopped thousands of small independent repair shops from making iPhone repairs. Nathan Proctor, director of consumer rights group US PIRG's right to repair campaign, told Motherboard that suggesting there are safety concerns related to spare parts and manuals is "patently absurd."
"We know that all across the country, millions of people are doing this for themselves. Millions more are taking devices to independent repair technicians," he said.
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how can they seriously promote themselves as green and be against this?
FYI, this law would only require Apple to sell replacement parts to repair shops, not make the device more repairable. It will have no impact on the device cost or design. Customers choosing to have a 3rd party repair will do so at their own risk of loosing things like water proofing.
I am a big Apple fan, but their argument about puncturing the battery is ludicrous.
Here are some alternative scenarios:
Yes, I can fix my washer, but I am also taking a risk that it will fall on me and kill me while fixing it...
I can change the wheel on my car when I have a flat tire, but I also am risking that the car will fall on top of me while doing so, or it will even blow up, destroying the whole city, because it is filled with gasoline; an explosive substance.
I just replaced my Iphone 6sPlus screen. Bought a $30 kit from Ebay and took a risk. It was not easy, but I got it done.
Having it fixed by Apple would cost me probably $170 (not verified).
I do like of having the freedom of fixing and maybe busting my IPhone while I do so, or being crushed by my washer, or may car taking revenge on me by trying to fix a punctured tire.
If I cut my finger, should I hire a nurse to put the BandAid on, or can I dare to do it all by myself??
Apple, you are ludicrous
Andrzej
Here are some alternative scenarios:
Yes, I can fix my washer, but I am also taking a risk that it will fall on me and kill me while fixing it...
I can change the wheel on my car when I have a flat tire, but I also am risking that the car will fall on top of me while doing so, or it will even blow up, destroying the whole city, because it is filled with gasoline; an explosive substance.
I just replaced my Iphone 6sPlus screen. Bought a $30 kit from Ebay and took a risk. It was not easy, but I got it done.
Having it fixed by Apple would cost me probably $170 (not verified).
I do like of having the freedom of fixing and maybe busting my IPhone while I do so, or being crushed by my washer, or may car taking revenge on me by trying to fix a punctured tire.
If I cut my finger, should I hire a nurse to put the BandAid on, or can I dare to do it all by myself??
Apple, you are ludicrous
Andrzej
well I think what apple is trying to say is that if the person doesn't take the phone or device to an apple store
and someone non certified do some repairs to the device then the device can malfunction and probably explode like C4
lol
I guess Tim is watching too many James Bond movies
coming up with some BS made up story just to try to justify the real reason
they want to do the repair themselves not because they care about their costumer safety
but because they care about the safety of having more money in their bank account
I swear mr cook is a joke
do they actually think this lie will work
and someone non certified do some repairs to the device then the device can malfunction and probably explode like C4
lol
I guess Tim is watching too many James Bond movies
coming up with some BS made up story just to try to justify the real reason
they want to do the repair themselves not because they care about their costumer safety
but because they care about the safety of having more money in their bank account
I swear mr cook is a joke
do they actually think this lie will work
Whilst Apple is the main target of right to repair, the Right to Repair Bill does not actually differentiate which companies are affected, it basically implies the right to repair ANY consumer electronics. This therefore means that any company that manufacturers consumer electronics will be affected and that schematics and repair tools must be made available (part of the bill outlines this proposal/requirement).
The problem with this is that having such information available, those with a good understanding of electronics will be able to build modifications to bypass security features, like DRM or copy protection. Yes people currently reverse engineer a lot of stuff just by purchasing the item and seeing how it's built. Just think how much easier it would be if they had a schematic, using the Right to Repair bill to force the company to give them the schematic.
At the end of the day the bill is not to help the consumer repair their own device, it is there to help 3rd party repair do the repair for them at a cheaper price. Therefore, consumer manufacturers should not be forced to give up repair documentation on the basis that it helps drive down the cost of repair.
Large companies might be able to absorb the financial impact of losing out to 3rd party businesses, but what about smaller consumer electronic manufacturers who depend on repairing their own products to be able to survive. Because we all know what will happen if the bill was to be successful, consumers will be ringing up the companies to ask for repair documentation and then just give it to a 3rd party repair business who are better skilled and equipped to repair electronics than the items owner is.
The problem with this is that having such information available, those with a good understanding of electronics will be able to build modifications to bypass security features, like DRM or copy protection. Yes people currently reverse engineer a lot of stuff just by purchasing the item and seeing how it's built. Just think how much easier it would be if they had a schematic, using the Right to Repair bill to force the company to give them the schematic.
At the end of the day the bill is not to help the consumer repair their own device, it is there to help 3rd party repair do the repair for them at a cheaper price. Therefore, consumer manufacturers should not be forced to give up repair documentation on the basis that it helps drive down the cost of repair.
Large companies might be able to absorb the financial impact of losing out to 3rd party businesses, but what about smaller consumer electronic manufacturers who depend on repairing their own products to be able to survive. Because we all know what will happen if the bill was to be successful, consumers will be ringing up the companies to ask for repair documentation and then just give it to a 3rd party repair business who are better skilled and equipped to repair electronics than the items owner is.
Apple is blatantly wrong on this one. I don't really understand the motivation. What are they afraid of? Apple makes almost no money in the repair business, so they have nothing to lose.
People who repair their own stuff are going to do it with or without Apple's blessing. People who don't fix their own stuff are going to continue to buy new Apple gear when their old ones wear out.
There is no losing position for Apple to support repairability. They're being bone-headed stupid on this.
People who repair their own stuff are going to do it with or without Apple's blessing. People who don't fix their own stuff are going to continue to buy new Apple gear when their old ones wear out.
There is no losing position for Apple to support repairability. They're being bone-headed stupid on this.
Is this a sarcastic response? Mine maybe too!
Right to repair? You have to know what you're doing to repair something. You could repair a car from the 50s by yourself with just a little knowledge or a good instruction and the right tools. Most things nowadays are not repairable - but maybe parts are replaceable. For beginners don't try to repair your iPhone but start with your old tv - best an old one with tubes. Try to repair your power installation at home or try to repair the brakes on your OWN car. Don't be scared away by safety hazards. Chicken!
Dude. My Android devices last just as long as iPhone. Don’t put these nonsense.
I have maintained my Windows laptop pretty well. I had my 2010 Lenovo and Acer laptop still working wonderfully. I upgrade the hard drive to SSD, upgrade the RAM and upgrade CPU. Try to do that with your new overpriced MacBoom Pro. At least when PC laptop keyboard aren’t functioning, you can easily find parts on eBay and do by yourself. With MacBook you are doomed for 300 dollars repairs.
I've been taking things with lithium batteries apart for the better part of the decade and not once have I even gotten close to damaging a battery and causing it to burn. Lithium batteries aren't nearly as volatile as the media would have you believe, otherwise they would never let us all walk around with them in our pockets.
If Apple is concerned for peoples well being, just wait until they find out that they let people pump highly flammable liquid into their cars themselves. /s
If Apple is concerned for peoples well being, just wait until they find out that they let people pump highly flammable liquid into their cars themselves. /s
Apple seem to be missing the point. We don't want to carry out horrifically over-complicated repairs, we want you to design products that use, you know, screws, and sockets, those funny things that all electronic devices had five years ago. I don't want to have to fight with glue or solder to replace consumables like batteries and storage devices either. I simply do not believe that Apple could not make a great looking, small laptop with user-replaceable parts, sorry it's just nonsense Apple.
If manufacturers were to provide parts, proprietary tools, and instruction manuals, there wouldn't be a realistic chance of a consumer hurting themselves anyway. Since consumers are clearly going to try it anyway, if they are concerned about the safety, then the logical thing is to provide instructions to keep them safe.
Yeah, no thanks.
I'll keep on walking into the Apple Store and getting a brand new phone if I have issues. I don't need my $1300 device being hastily put back together by an untrained mouthbreather using knock-off parts.
Don't get me wrong, I love wrenching on my Jeep myself. But I don't have to worry about ruining it's water fording capabilities just by popping the hood.
I'll keep on walking into the Apple Store and getting a brand new phone if I have issues. I don't need my $1300 device being hastily put back together by an untrained mouthbreather using knock-off parts.
Don't get me wrong, I love wrenching on my Jeep myself. But I don't have to worry about ruining it's water fording capabilities just by popping the hood.
How about people who own their phones longer than applecare coverage is valid? Or people who are capable of doing it on their own? Or people who don't like being force to buy AC+? Or third party businesses which do repairs?
Try to think harder if you think this will only be relevant to DIYers
Tim Cook is scum and anti-consumer. Any opportunity to reaffirm that, he'll grab with both arms.
Actually ... I think it's Apple purposely design a screen and back glass panels in the X/XS/XSMax models to have the "need" to fully replace the logic board with it. To me, forcing a customer to pay more than half the devices retail cost for a cosmetic repair is really unacceptable practice.
I hope some legality forces Apple not to build such high cost repairs - it's really not necessary. Folding the OLED screen for no reason really.
The case already with John Deere tractors. You are a farmer with 1,000 acres of wheat that need to be harvested today (moisture issue). Your Deere tractor has broken down. You can fix it yourself, but are not allowed to do so. You have to wait for the Deere technician to drive to your farm and do the repair you could do yourself for a high fee. You may or may not get the crop in on time. Deere is really, really bad about this. This is the future for cars, and if everyone does not know how important the RTR bill is, then they can only blame themselves when Tim Apple and John Deere lead us there.