All this said, I hope Apple loses this one. They have billions upon billions upon billions in the bank and yet they insist on cutting out the small guys and grabbing their share too. Shame on them for that.
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Apple Fights Proposed Right to Repair Legislation With Warnings of Consumer Harm
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As much as I want to believe that they are honest with their emphasis on privacy – this questionable reasoning against a right to repair reveals how arbitrary everything is and that there is no noble motive behind anything. 'Arbitrary' meaning 'dictated by economic interest', of course.
Yeah that’s the other point to this story, for Apple to stop you ever repairing or upgrading your Mac, so when it breaks, want a Mac you MUST buy another. Now then you see how Apple tackles the second hand market and cripples that to make more $$$$$$
I don’t want a sh*ttier version of something simply because it’s easier to repair.
That said, I do acknowledge and enjoy being able to upgrade or replace parts in a computer. I think phones are harder and I’m less likely to deal with them because of that fact.
I don’t want the dumbing down of products and design to occur simply because there’s a rule or law passed in another country, that states it must be easier to repair.
That said, I do acknowledge and enjoy being able to upgrade or replace parts in a computer. I think phones are harder and I’m less likely to deal with them because of that fact.
I don’t want the dumbing down of products and design to occur simply because there’s a rule or law passed in another country, that states it must be easier to repair.
What are you even talking about? Car safety has nothing to do with how easy it is to make a car repairable compared to a smartphone.
Making the iPhone more “open” won’t make it cheaper, on the contrary, the engineering tradeoffs required would make them more expensive if you want to try and maintain (the same features like thinness, water resistance) since it would require even more precision engineering, more flexible parts, etc. OR for the same price you get repairability but lose on other features.
Meanwhile if you want a cheaper smartphone there are tons of them, the market is flooded with dirt cheap Android phones.
Like I said, if repairability is important to you, fine, buy devices that prioritize that (there really aren’t many because repairability in smartphones is a niche demand). That’s NOT the priority of the iPhone, and forcing a company to offer a feature that is
1. Not remotely necessary
2. Not remotely in high demand
Is the wrong. It’s like demanding through laws that McDonalds offer high end steak for the same price as their current cheap food, or Microsoft make a portable XBox. Just because you want something doesn’t meant someone should be forced to make it for you.
A small minority forcing their demands on the rest of us is terrible for customers and terrible for companies. Go start your own repairable smartphone company and see how that goes.
I love how the “Tim Apple” gaffe is both a not-so-subtle dig at Tim Cook but also perfectly and succinctly describes “Apple under Tim Cook”.
I definitely plan to use it more instead of “Tim Cook’s Apple” myself.
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Yes, but we also live in a very different "entitled" and "victim-minded" world. If a mobile phone catches fire and burns down a house, it's automatically Apple's fault, even if it isn't. The same doesn't happen with car self-repairs. It's never the manufacturer's fault in those cases.
I side with Apple for devices like iPhones. But for their computers, I think they need to work harder towards a modular design, where you either add modules to upgrade a computer, rather than replacing it outright, or be able to replace modules to add capacity, etc. For iPhones, I do think they should cave and add an SD Card slot, or similar technology.
Apple didn't want to repair my cracked iPhone screen cause of some bend (which they couldn't even clarify where it was exactly).
Glad I found a cheap repair shop who fixed my screen in an hour. Saved me so much money. And works like a charm.
Glad I found a cheap repair shop who fixed my screen in an hour. Saved me so much money. And works like a charm.
Maybe, but the 2008-2011 MacBook pros made under Jobs last years were some of the most easily reparable and upgradable laptops ever made by any company. So maybe he was turning around on that issue.
P.S. And those era laptops were the first ‘unibody’ ones, so some of the best industrial design as well - while still being very reparable.
Regarding right to repair my response is - **** you, apple.
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First so called unibody design is not unibody it is glued from 2 pieces.
Rossman is an idiot, every single video he has posted for the last few months has an anti Apple I hate Apple title, and he moans about Apple, he even supported Linus and his dumb friend who broke their iMac Pro by taking it apart!
If you want to really really really really hate Spoke with a vengeance then watch Rossmans channel.. I haven’t seen any of his videos for months purely because I like Apple as much as they annoy me. Rossman just hates them.
yes, everyone on earth has the exact same problem and resources as you. why would anyone be in any other situation than you? i couldn't possibly imagine anyone being in a different situation than you at any point in time.
I hope the legislators can use Apple’s supposed commitment to the environment against them. We just had “Earth Day” which Apple was more than happy to exploit for marketing purposes after all.
Apple is trying to say that you shouldn’t be allowed to repair your own computer, only us so we charge ridiculously inflated repair prices that make repair economically unfeasible and then refuse to fix it all for any price after 7-8 years because it’s considered “obsolete”, if not before then in many cases too.
There are reasons Apple uses proprietary Pentalobe screws and many other measures to try to thwart the user and make repair difficult. They also suggest warranty is void if you’ve done any self-repair, which is untrue and illegal to suggest in some countries.
Apple is trying to say that you shouldn’t be allowed to repair your own computer, only us so we charge ridiculously inflated repair prices that make repair economically unfeasible and then refuse to fix it all for any price after 7-8 years because it’s considered “obsolete”, if not before then in many cases too.
There are reasons Apple uses proprietary Pentalobe screws and many other measures to try to thwart the user and make repair difficult. They also suggest warranty is void if you’ve done any self-repair, which is untrue and illegal to suggest in some countries.
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Are iPhone batteries substantially different from the batteries in other smartphones? Consumers remove and replace those batteries every day.
I'll just say this- There is a reason they switched to pentalobe screws on the iPhone 4.
Smartphone screens break and batteries wear out. These should be replaceable by consumers. The ability to replace or repair other components is of little concern to me.
Are you kidding? A politician is, by definition anyway, a public servant. How well they serve is up to them. A lobbyist does nothing but corrupt the democratic process in 99/100 cases by putting pressure on (and using incentives to) cause the politician to abandon the best interest of their constituents in favor of the interests of an almost always borderline criminal and morally suspect “client” like She’ll or Purdue Pharm’s.
Like most people, I replace some auto parts. Do you actually go to the dealer to have a taillight bulb replaced?
Usually, I'm with Apple on most things. But this is nonsense. If one has legitimate parts, tools, and information, and is reasonably competent, repairs comparable to those by the vendor or an "authorized" service facility should be possible. It's knock-off parts and lack of information that contribute to shoddy repairs (along with incompetent repair techs, of course).
It would however be reasonable that unauthorized repairs void the warrantee, at least if there's any indication that the unauthorized repair was incorrect or did further damage - since training isn't free, and training may well remain the difference between authorized and unauthorized repair services.
It would however be reasonable that unauthorized repairs void the warrantee, at least if there's any indication that the unauthorized repair was incorrect or did further damage - since training isn't free, and training may well remain the difference between authorized and unauthorized repair services.
Same. Such a law would really be a vocal few imposing their will on many, for no good reason. Like how the old Mac Pro is banned in the EU (or really most of the EU's tech laws).
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People fought him on it. Since the start, he was always the "computers should be home appliances" guy. Not that he wanted to hurt hobbyists but just that he didn't want to sacrifice anything for them. Wozniak was the opposite.
That said, I actually think Apple is mostly looking after profits here, not only safeguarding product quality.
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It's not a right to repair, that's just the name of the bill. And yeah, it's not a good reason. Why should Apple be forced to change how they build their devices? Consumers have choices, let them use them. Right now plenty of people are happy to give Apple $800-$1K for a phone they can't repair.