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Wait, if HTC is being sued for using Android, why isn't Samsung, or Motorola being sued? After all they both have just as much market presence in the U.S. with their Android phones.
 
And how well did that work for them? I wouldn't mind seeing the DOJ go after Apple if they keep this crap up.

Hey I'm with you. I was pointing it out to the people that bash Microsoft with one breath, then praise apple with the next. They're not so different in some respects.
 
EXCELLENT NEWS, it's time to finally stop copycats and make them innovate instead of freeriding on other Nokia's, HTC, Sony, Palms R&D...

The clearest evidence of how much they have profited from Nokia, Palm, HTC, Sony, Samsung is to check the market offerings BEFORE and AFTER ...does anyone remember what phones looked like before Nokia , Palm, HTC, Sony, Samsung presented them? Nope? Me neither.

SO GO CRUSH SOME SKULLS..!

Apple IS SO DEAD..

There fixed for you
 
The quote is from the US Copyright office, idiot.

Do you trust his words more than theirs.

Here's the link, note the URL.
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html

1) I have clarified my response as follows:

Let me clarify. The actual practice of "poor man's copyright" is not necessarily effective, and it's correct to say that there's no provision for it under the law. The point I was making is related to the fact that the practice of mailing a work to oneself is based on the way copyright works, even if the practice itself doesn't really work.

A work is copyrighted the instant it is made tangible, like writing a book on paper. That was the comparison I was making. Mailing a work to oneself is supposed to take advantage of this fact by proving when the work existed (by the date on the certified mail). That practice doesn't work so well, but that it is the creation of the work that earns the copyright (rather than filing for it) is the comparison that counts here.

2) I would always trust a lawyer over a website designed for popular use. Such sites try to put the material in a way that is accessible to, well, the general population (obviously) and so often phrase things in ways which leave out important or subtle details.

They also phrase things in such a way to get you to do it the way they want. For example, saying "there's no provision under the law for X" and "X is not a substitute for registering" could easily be technically correct ways of leaving out other options people have and to encourage, well, giving cash to the copyright office! In this case, that's not really what's going on, as, as I said in my update, mailing himself things doesn't often do a person any good.

The point is that a lwayer knows whats really going on and I'll trust one any day over a vague FAQ on a government website designed for everyday folks.

3) I am respectful of you. Please be respectful of me, as well as others. It doesn't bother me to be called and idiot, but you could cause somebody else some real negativity in his or her life. Nobody deserves that.
 
No, but if all someone does is complain, they usually have an agenda, not an opinion.

But I typically treat them like I treat LTD's post: I ignore them.

I'm all for praising Apple when they deserve praise, and being critical when they deserve to be criticized, but apparently it's faux pas to be that way around here. :/

It's wrong to be critical of Apple and its flaws?
On an unrelated note Eidorian, the Radeon 5970 is quite the amazing card. Not sure it was worth $700, but so far it has been everything I expected.
 
IPhone announced January 2007 at Macworld, with features demo'd. Pretty much a how-to seminar for the rest of the industry.

That HTC Touch copycat announced June 5, 2007. Plenty of time (from January to June) for HTC to slap a hasty touch interface onto Winblows Mobile.

Heroic Fail.

Once again, you have NO IDEA of what you're talking about. :mad:

Just....stop.
 
No, but if all someone does is complain, they usually have an agenda, not an opinion.
You're on the precipice of using paid Microsoft astroturfing shill.

On an unrelated note Eidorian, the Radeon 5970 is quite the amazing card. Not sure it was worth $700, but so far it has been everything I expected.
Very nice. I still have my 4830. I'll be getting a U2410 instead of a new GPU this year. Though a nice television would tempt me as well.
 
Wait, if HTC is being sued for using Android, why isn't Samsung, or Motorola being sued? After all they both have just as much market presence in the U.S. with their Android phones.

Why spend money and time chasing 3, when you can chase 1 and based on that outcome make the others, relatively inexpensively, follow? Regardless your view on these patents or patents in general, this seems to be a cost-effective strategy which gives Apple a better probability of the best outcome (for it).
 
I liked my old 3gs too... I have a Nexus one now. There is nothing on the iphone that I cant do on my Nexus One. Not one feature.... but there are things that I can do on my nexus one that you cannot do on the iphone.. jailbroken or not.

I love technology and Innovation and apple does to as long as they are the only ones doing it

You sound like a teenager.
 
I'm all for praising Apple when they deserve praise, and being critical when they deserve to be criticized, but apparently it's faux pas to be that way around here. :/

I think the majority of members MacRumors feel this way, it's just the extremists (on both sides) who make the most noise. :(
 
Heroic Fail.

Once again, you have NO IDEA of what you're talking about. :mad:

Just....stop.

Which looks exactly like what HTC did with that "amazing" device: Fail.

Resistive touchscreen, no multitouch, and we all know what Winblows Mobile was like before MS announced their "reset" recently.

HTC running WinMo 6.0. A weekend in the basement. Quite a project! LOL
 
Actually Apple has violated MANY patents of Palms, that's the reason why thay cannot touch Palm for multi touch infringment:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/apple-vs-palm-the-in-depth-analysis/
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/kit...pples-iphone-patent-says-it-can-defend-itself

Extract from last link:

"Palm was largely responsible for bringing the Personal Digital Assistant to the world—and the PDA has been instrumental in shaping today's smartphone devices. So it'd be foolish to think that Palm doesn't have a swag bag full of its own patents in order to protect its IP. Some Googling finds this Palm patent, for example: "Method and apparatus for accessing a contacts database and telephone services." It was filed back in 2001 and describes methods for managing a phone number database, including a quick-access "speed dial" option, that's eerily similar to the way the iPhone carries out that task."

Really, no one has EVER wondered why Apple has never tried to take Palm to court even though it's multi touch is pretty similar or that the screen even bounces the same? As I said, Palm could rip Apples nuts of with patents galour...

Oh but Apple never copy's anyone does it :rolleyes:

Apple should just shut the **** up and concentrate on the next iPhone and those damn MB Pros and Mac Pros we are ALL waiting for!!!!!

I just read claim 10 of the '239 patent, as an example. It looks very close to what iPhone's phone app does. The problem for palm is that the speed dial interface requirement appears, from the patent specification, to require that speed dials be implemented as buttons.

Claim 1, the "select by initials" claim, has a major problem based on In re Bilski - the claim does not appear to meet the requirements of 35 USC 101 (arguable. And we're all waiting to see what the Supreme Court has to say about this - their answer is coming shortly).

More importantly, as I've mentioned before, damages would likely be capped at the cost of workarounds. It seems to me that all of Palm's patents are far easier to workaround than Apple's, which seem to go to more fundamental technologies.

Of course, this is just a quick analysis, and in real life if I was asked to represent Palm I am sure I could defeat Apple :)
 
HTC may hold patents they did nothing with until Apple showed up. Then again, HTC might have simply decided to walk a fine line (possibly violating Apple's patents) and pull in profit for as long as possible before it hit the fan.

Apple introduced the iPhone and suddenly everyone else got busy changing around their UIs, adding capacitive touch screens, you name it.

Apple knows exactly what they're doing in the legal arena. They've dodged any and all antitrust dangers, maintained their iTunes business model, fought off all allegations of corporate wrongdoing (stock-options, etc.) and recently got their OS X EULA upheld, burying Psystar.

Note that Apple did nothing against Palm, even though that was a similar situation. Apple *has* decided to go after HTC, though. Seems Apple has a strong position this time.

Smart money is on Apple.

Well said LTD.

and the end of the day, there was no phone like the iphone when it came out and trhen suddenly hold on theres nokia with a touch screen phone, HTC with a touch screen phone ETC, where were they before, i know stylus based phones they were making

steve go get them matey
 
You're on the precipice of using paid Microsoft astroturfing shill.

Very nice. I still have my 4830. I'll be getting a U2410 instead of a new GPU this year. Though a nice television would tempt me as well.
Nothing wrong with the 4830. Thankfully I didn't actually pay for the 5970. A friend of mine had purchased the 5970, only to realize that it didn't fit in his case. So instead of sending it back, I swapped him my 5850s for his 5970.
 
Andriod isnt a copy of the iphone OS, it is a evolution... just like multitouch evolved singel touch/stylus touchscreens

Not sure if you're referring to the patent issues here, but...

Very basically (and not always universally true): If there's a patent that claims a two-wheeled device with seat and a handlebar for steering, and your idea is to add streamers, the "evolution" is not patentable, since you're using the entire prior art as the basis for your invention. Using the device differently than claimed, or redesign it by removing a claimed element, and you can patent it (assuming it has not been done before).
 
Nothing wrong with the 4830. Thankfully I didn't actually pay for the 5970. A friend of mine had purchased the 5970, only to realize that it didn't fit in his case. So instead of sending it back, I swapped him my 5850s for his 5970.
You were quite lucky. I do believe a 5970 would manage to fit in my P180 mini. :D
 
I think the majority of members MacRumors feel this way, it's just the extremists (on both sides) who make the most noise. :(
Yeah :(

Personally my favorite Apple product by far is OS X. I remember beta testing OS X and then being part of the extended beta as well (more popularly known as the 10.0 release) :D

Those were the days...
 
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