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Apple Files Lawsuit Against HTC Over Alleged iPhone Patent Infringement

NebulaClash said:
OK, thank you for clarifying. Well, I guess we'll disagree. I like my multitouch, multitasking Apple device more than any other feature set I've seen. If you prefer other feature sets, that's fine. That's what an open market is for.
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I liked my old 3gs too... I have a Nexus one now. There is nothing on the iphone that I cant do on my Nexus One. Not one feature.... but there are things that I can do on my nexus one that you cannot do on the iphone.. jailbroken or not.

I love technology and Innovation and apple does to as long as they are the only ones doing it
 
NebulaClash said:
Just the opposite, really. Apple is only suing those who copy them. Those who move the industry forward (by definition the opposite of copying) are being left alone.
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Again, how is HTC copying Apple. (outside of the arguable multi touch).


You know damn well Apple is infringing on past patents with the iPhone themselves.

(why i think they are not going after Palm).
 
Great Quote:

Its funny how Apple thinks they invented everything - too bad it will just be a waste of their money in legal fees. Someone should sue them for using infants to build their devices.
 
*LTD* said:
In hardware, marginally (which is going to happen back and forth.) In software, not even close.

The iPhone User Experience is still the Gold Standard. With Apple about to up the ante in June, it'll be business as usual in terms of iPhone success.
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The iPhone OS is crap. I can't wait to get rid of mine. No multitasking and a censored app store. It was the gold standard, but it has been surpassed by Android.
 
farmboy said:
Most of your several posts about disclosure of a patentable idea and its legal implications are not correct. Even if HTC did disclose (reveal) a patentable idea prior to Apple's, they still have to get the patent application submitted (you have a year in the U.S.). Simply disclosing it means nothing.

Hopefully cmaier will spend a little time some day and provide us all with some patent basics, so we don't have to read the same misinformed opinion every time a patent story comes up. If he has free time.
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Are you familiar with "poor man's copyright?"

If I write a book or a song, but I can't file the copyright paperwork for whatever reason, I can send my work to myself certified mail, and then not open it. This is because under US law, the copyright belongs to me the instant I create the work. The "official" copyright which I apply for from the government gives a record of this, but it doesn't create the copyright.

It may be similar with patents. I don't personally know, but what others are saying about "first to invent" would be entirely consistent with other US intellectual property law.
 
*LTD* said:
In hardware, marginally (which is going to happen back and forth.) In software, not even close.

The iPhone User Experience is still the Gold Standard. With Apple about to up the ante in June, it'll be business as usual in terms of iPhone success.
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Have you even used Android or a Nexus One? If you have, then your lying to yourself... and if you havent, let me tell you with extreme confidence that the iphone cant touch nexus one... care to dispute me?

Andriod isnt a copy of the iphone OS, it is a evolution... just like multitouch evolved singel touch/stylus touchscreens
 
how long will it take to push this through the courts?? this is going to take years!! which is why apple probably never filed a suit before, however it could also be them just building their case up and buying their time to create a final blow to HTC. I was wondering why they were taking so long to jump on the multitouch and the card systems etc... these are all patents...

I hope it knowcks the wind out of the sails of the Droid..
 
NebulaClash said:
No.
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How big do you want? 4GB? 8GB? 16GB? 32GB? :cool:

Like I said, assets don't have to be on the 512MB of memory, nullifying your complaint. ;)

EDIT: This is without the future update that will enable apps to be installed directly onto the 'expandable' SD card storage.
 
I have an iPod touch and a Motorola DEXT (or CLIQ to those across the duckpond). I don't know if it's Android or this implementation of it, but the touch interface is abysmal compared to my iPod.
 
yotd said:
I have an iPod touch and a Motorola DEXT (or CLIQ to those across the duckpond). I don't know if it's Android or this implementation of it, but the touch interface is abysmal compared to my iPod.
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I had no problems with my HTC Hero or my Nexus One. Perhaps it's a Motorola problem?
 
yg17 said:
The iPhone OS is crap. I
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You seem to be in the minority. However, you're still free to think whatever you like about the iPhone OS.

The industry has christened the iPhone OS the ideal. There will be those few that won't agree with that. And there are also people who sill miss DOS.

The combination of hardware + software on the iPhone is unparalleled. Apple's found the sweet-spot and continues to enjoy the fruits of it.
 
yg17 said:
It's first to invent, not first to file. Given that both were designed in secret, it's hard to say who was the first to invent, but the fact HTC revealed it first is in their favor.
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First to file has the prima facie right to the patent. The other party can file an interference, and then it gets into who invented what first. And of course regarding disclosure it depends on what was actually revealed, otherwise it means nothing.

Here's a picture of me holding my anti-gravity device. The proper response is...so what?
 
It's official.... Apple is targeting Android

Engadget story said:
There's no delicate way to put this: at least part of Apple's patent lawsuit against HTC appears to be a proxy fight for a larger issue with Android as a whole. Apple's complaint with the International Trade Commission makes an explicit distinction between HTC's Android devices and its WinMo phones (referred only to as "DSP Products"), and the Android sets are repeatedly called out for infringing certain patents. We don't know exactly what Apple's issue is yet -- the problem could be the specific way HTC implements Android, rather than Android itself -- but it's certainly a big shot across Google's bow. We'll keep reading and let you know what else we find out.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-specifically-going-after-android-in-htc-lawsuit/
 
Lazerlike42 said:
Are you familiar with "poor man's copyright?"

If I write a book or a song, but I can't file the copyright paperwork for whatever reason, I can send my work to myself certified mail, and then not open it. This is because under US law, the copyright belongs to me the instant I create the work. The "official" copyright which I apply for from the government gives a record of this, but it doesn't create the copyright.

It may be similar with patents. I don't personally know, but what others are saying about "first to invent" would be entirely consistent with other US intellectual property law.
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Copyright law and patent law are different. My advice (worth exactly what you're paying for it) is file the paperwork.
 
*LTD* said:
You seem to be in the minority. However, you're still free to think whatever you like about the iPhone OS.

The industry has christened the iPhone OS the ideal. There will be those few that won't agree with that. And there are also people who sill miss DOS.
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Perhaps some people like to think different?

I know I do. :D
 
yg17 said:
The iPhone OS is crap. I can't wait to get rid of mine. No multitasking and a censored app store. It was the gold standard, but it has been surpassed by Android.
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seriously how are you still on forums without a jailbroken phone? firstoff its called blackra1n click it, wait 15 seconds, then install palm like multitasking and download any app for free 3rd party and alike.


Also, the OS is fine, you just dont like the icons and navigation.,.. jailbreak and install a new theme... Since you are obviously a noob, I'll state this as well.. if you think your going to get in trouble, you wont, just restore your phone to its origional OS, and they cant tell it was jailbroken...
 
MMX said:
I thought *LTD* was crazy, but you two are taking "crazy" to another level.
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Yea I wouldnt throw Blackberry Os and Windows Mobile as being better than Iphone OS.. That is crazy..


But android 2.1 is definately better than Iphone Os 3.0
 
Teh Don Ditty said:
It's official.... Apple is targeting Android



http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-specifically-going-after-android-in-htc-lawsuit/
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Not exactly official but we all know that Apple can't take on Google head-on (although I wish they would try). Why not just go after a major manufacturer of Android phones instead?

Steve Jobs: "Good artists copy, great artists steal." I guess Steve stole MS' old legal playbook because Apple is looking like the MS of old more and more. :D
 
farmboy said:
First to file has the prima facie right to the patent. The other party can file an interference, and then it gets into who invented what first. And of course regarding disclosure it depends on what was actually revealed, otherwise it means nothing.

Here's a picture of me holding my anti-gravity device. The proper response is...so what?
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No. Under 35 USC 102(g)(2) first to invent wins, even without an interference:

(2) BEFORE SUCH PERSON’S INVENTION THEREOF, THE INVENTION WAS MADE IN THIS COUNTRY BY ANOTHER INVENTOR WHO HAD NOT ABANDONED, SUPPRESSED, OR CONCEALED IT. IN DETERMINING PRIORITY OF INVENTION UNDER THIS SUBSECTION, THERE SHALL BE CONSIDERED NOT ONLY THE RESPECTIVE DATES OF CONCEPTION AND REDUCTION TO PRACTICE OF THE INVENTION, BUT ALSO THE REASONABLE DILIGENCE OF ONE WHO WAS FIRST TO CONCEIVE AND LAST TO REDUCE TO PRACTICE, FROM A TIME PRIOR TO CONCEPTION BY THE OTHER.
 
Lazerlike42 said:
Are you familiar with "poor man's copyright?"

If I write a book or a song, but I can't file the copyright paperwork for whatever reason, I can send my work to myself certified mail, and then not open it. This is because under US law, the copyright belongs to me the instant I create the work. The "official" copyright which I apply for from the government gives a record of this, but it doesn't create the copyright.

It may be similar with patents. I don't personally know, but what others are saying about "first to invent" would be entirely consistent with other US intellectual property law.
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Simply bringing up poor man's copyright is proof you don't know a damned thing about US IP.

From the US Copyright Office:
I’ve heard about a “poor man’s copyright.” What is it?

The practice of sending a copy of your own work to yourself is sometimes called a “poor man’s copyright.” There is no provision in the copyright law regarding any such type of protection, and it is not a substitute for registration.​
 
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