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funny, i don't recall seeing you in any of my intellectual property classes at UC. which firm do you practice with? all kidding aside, your assertion is not entirely accurate. the "calculus" as you call it is a lot more complicated. firstly, there's always the risk that one of the parties will institute separate proceedings in the pto to have one or more patents invalidated. and actually, it's not as hard as one might think given the crowded nature of prior art in the cell phone field. no patent, no cross licensing, no revenues. this is essentially what happened to apple with its intellectual property battles with microsoft in the late 80s. apple rolled the dice and lost control of the look and feel of its mac operating system making it possible for ms to attain dominance. no revenues, no royalties, nada. if indeed, the equities between apple and htc/palm are as you describe, then perhaps apple could come out on top. but i haven't seen the specific infringements being asserted. further, don't forget that nokia is suing EVERYBODY for infringement of hundreds of patents for all aspect of software and hardware design. knowing apple's cavalier attitude towards patents and trademarks, it occurs to me that they could be in serious trouble here. the htc suit is probably a side skirmish designed to provide leverage with the suit with nokia (by having apple's priority vis-avis htc and palm resolved in its favor), but without reading the pleadins in all these cases, it's impossible to say.

I went to SCU (Chisum was my professor, in fact), and I am with (EDIT: a very very large Chicago-based international law firm). What firm are you with?

p.s.: invalidity? all claims of what, 10 patents? really? Given the secondary considerations of non-obviousness? (and the fact that no one can cite any 102 art?) That's quite a bit of speculation. Go read the patents before you speculate.
 
There IS progress. it's the iPhone.

remember cell phones before the iPhones? they're useless, ugly and hard to use.

What a load of baloney. My 2005 Samsung flip-phone is very useful, nice to look at and not too difficult to use at all. But I guess in your world we're all supposed to be using the iPhone. Fascist.
 
Great phone, but it's no iPhone.

Yep, it can do so much more and so much better!

I would exchange my iPhone for a Nexus any day and would be willing to pay $100. Even that would be a good deal for me.


I don't mock LTD, I side with him; we're among the few true Apple fans in an Apple forum infested by Windows and Android fanboys.

You are among a few true ones, alright. Not Apple fans, though. I can see a Jedi Academy forming. Where is Anakin?

But you know, who and what is infested?!
 
Whoa! Taiwan is a separate country from China. We defend them if need be from the communist dictatorship of China.

Incorrect. China claims Taiwan. Taiwan claims to be independent; this is recognized by only 22 nations, not including the United States. We "defend" them only in very limited ways, trying not to start a war with the mainland.

Culturally and historically, Taiwan is indeed Chinese. Modern politics is where the differences lie.
 
Maybe they can "continue to develop" a flash for the built in camera. Going on 4th generation now and no flash, what a joke.

Not quite the deal-breaker, though is it?

THAT is how strong the iPhone is. No Flash (in either sense!) and it continues to set the bar. No copy-and-paste for the longest time, either, and still a winner. Of course, when copy-and-paste was finally implemented in the iPhone, Apple clearly perfected it. It's a beautiful thing on the iPhone. Now combine that feature with some developer muscle (thanks to Apple's earlier perfection of the App Store), and you've got copy-and-paste + Pastebot. Nothing else comes close.
 
Your post is a sad example of extremely uncalled for offensive remarks. I am sure there are dozens of good lawyers writing in these forums (myself included) that do it not only for fun but in order to get info about their preferred products.

So I don't know what "law school" you went to, but I must tell ya...some people are intelligent AND sane enough so that they don't have to work 24h every day.

I think I will change my name to RebootLawyer so I can demand respect around here as well. I'm also a Mathematician, Obstetrician and Professional Juggler. :rolleyes:
 
Whoa! Taiwan is a separate country from China. We defend them if need be from the communist dictatorship of China.

Not likely. A possible military confrontation with China over Taiwan is the last thing the US needs - and that's understating it (especially given that Russia now has stronger ties with China.) Vietnam came very, very close. Nor would the US be wise to simply ignore its own economic ties with China.
 
Yep, it can do so much more and so much better!

I would exchange my iPhone for a Nexus any day and would be willing to pay $100. Even that would be a good deal for me.




You are among a few true ones, alright. Not Apple fans, though. I can see a Jedi Academy forming. Where is Anakin?

But you know, who and what is infested?!

I think they are paid Apple shills. No one can be such a fanatic for free.
 
Yep, it can do so much more and so much better!

I would exchange my iPhone for a Nexus any day and would be willing to pay $100. Even that would be a good deal for me.

I won't buy ANY smartphone until the unlimited 4G data/voice plan is no more then $10/month. :D:D
 
I think I will change my name to RebootLawyer so I can demand respect around here as well. I'm also a Mathematician, Obstetrician and Professional Juggler. :rolleyes:

Damn. I was really hoping we'd get a Professional Juggler around here. Most of the clowns on MR can't juggle.
 
So LG engineers did concept, sketching, design, coding, testing, prototyping, marketing, manufacturing and got the Prada ready for distribution in 9 days? AWESOME!!!

I'm going to refrain from all the typical sophomoric talk that goes on around here uncontrolled. *cough* *mods*

My point was Apple showed the working iPhone before LG did.

Pretty simple.

To say LG "came out" with the first touch device is wrong.
 
I think they are paid Apple shills. No one can be such a fanatic for free.

It's appreciating Apple for giving us what no one else in tech can, wants to, or even cares about giving us. It all comes down to a steady stream of great products, year after year. It also comes down to a company that actually takes its mission statement and stated goals seriously. That's rather refreshing. Apple happens to be a role model/case study in corporate America. The very fact that they shrugged off the recession has been huge news for the past year. People are going to take interest.

It's why Apple commands legions of fans. Apple happened to earn them.

I'm not the one who released the iPhone, or iPod Touch, or OS X, or unibody Macs, or (in a month or so) the iPad.

Don't blame the fans. Blame Apple.
 
There IS progress. it's the iPhone.

remember cell phones before the iPhones? they're useless, ugly and hard to use.

So what exactly was the phone you were using?


haha i love that people pretend phones were terrible prior to the iPhone.

My Treo 755p was VERY easy to use and was fun to use as well. It had thousands of apps that weren't locked down by a single company

Blackbery's were and still are super popular.

Laugh all you want but the Sidekick 2 was easy to use and provided a great experience esp. for a non touch screen phone.


What the iPhone pushed the most in my opinion was a solid web browsing experience on a mobile phone. IN the past it was alright at best.

So no... phones were not ugly and useless before the iPhone.
 
I'm becoming *very* convinced that LTD is a paid Apple operative.

I think BR and LTD are paid.

No way they can speak of cell phones and in the same breath say nothing is better than the Iphone...

To them Iphone is the only phone
Iphone has no FLAWS

And that they equate a good cell phone to how much it shoved down peoples throat with the apple marketing machine.... Just because it sells, doesnt make it the best phone...

Apple is the best marketing company in the world... I will give them that
 
So what exactly was the phone you were using?


haha i love that people pretend phones were terrible prior to the iPhone.

My Treo 755p was VERY easy to use and was fun to use as well. It had thousands of apps that weren't locked down by a single company

Blackbery's were and still are super popular.

Laugh all you want but the Sidekick 2 was easy to use and provided a great experience esp. for a non touch screen phone.


What the iPhone pushed the most in my opinion was a solid web browsing experience on a mobile phone. IN the past it was alright at best.

So no... phones were not ugly and useless before the iPhone.


yes they were ;)


its great that you like your phone. now, why are you so affected by the iPhone's success again? is it jealousy?
 
I'm becoming *very* convinced that LTD is a paid Apple operative.

I sincerely doubt Apple uses paid operatives posing as forum posters. They're too easy to uncover, discover, ridicule, discount. Apple is far too conscious of branding to risk looking that clumsy. They're more than happy to let fans do the evangelizing for them... always have been. The companies that pay for astroturfers do it because they don't have any passionate fans that will do the job for free.
 
Here's an idea, how about Apple just quit skimping on parts and overcharging for the iPhone, then competition won't matter. Suing instead of producing a better product is the MO of a scummy company...Can we say Steve Jobs is becoming Scott McNealy?
 
It's appreciating Apple for giving us what no one else in tech can, wants to, or even cares about giving us. It all comes down to a steady stream of great products, year after year. It also comes down to a company that actually takes its mission statement and stated goals seriously. That's rather refreshing. Apple happens to be a role model/case study in corporate America. The very fact that they shrugged off the recession has been huge news for the past year. People are going to take interest.
This isn't 2008 anymore though.
 
Not quite the deal-breaker, though is it?

THAT is how strong the iPhone is. No Flash (in either sense!) and it continues to set the bar. No copy-and-paste for the longest time, either, and still a winner. Of course, when copy-and-paste was finally implemented in the iPhone, Apple clearly perfected it. It's a beautiful thing on the iPhone. Now combine that feature with some developer muscle (thanks to Apple's earlier perfection of the App Store), and you've got copy-and-paste + Pastebot. Nothing else comes close.

You should really try other phones.

iPhone 2.5 was a joke and was sold on hype and UI alone. It simply wasn't a smart phone.

I like the iPhone 3GS now...i would recommend that or a blackberry (depending on your tastes) if you are on AT&T.

But If you are on Verizon, T-Mobile or Sprint....you have a much wider range of options than an iPhone...and it sounds like you are trying to say that nothing comes close to the iphone as fact....and not as an opinion.

Cause someone could give me an AT&T contract and a free iPhone and i wouldn't take it over my phone.
 
To them Iphone is the only phone
Iphone has no FLAWS

None that are really worth getting worked up about. It's not just my line, it's the industry's line. The industry (and consumers) have already rendered their judgment on the "iPhone-killers."

Both are waiting for the next iPhone.
 
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