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It's appreciating Apple for giving us what no one else in tech can, wants to, or even cares about giving us. It all comes down to a steady stream of great products, year after year. It also comes down to a company that actually takes its mission statement and stated goals seriously. That's rather refreshing.

It's why Apple commands legions of fans. Apple happened to earn them.

Does Apple care about a flash for your camera? or a Phone that can walk and chew gum at the same time? Others have done that and more WAY before Apple. Now the iPad, who's selling points are that it's "magical" and that it "just works". OK, hope they have the Kool-Aid in other flavors than fruit punch for you.
 
I'm going to refrain from all the typical sophomoric talk that goes on around here uncontrolled. *cough* *mods*

My point was Apple showed the working iPhone before LG did.

Pretty simple.

To say LG "came out" with the first touch device is wrong.

LG came out with the first mobile capacitive touch screen phone.

That is a fact..it was on sale to the consume first.


How can you argue that?
 
yes they were ;)


its great that you like your phone. now, why are you so affected by the iPhone's success again? is it jealousy?

How am i affected?

Seriously..show me where i am "mad" or "affected" by the iPhone success?

I couldn't give a damn if it keeps selling well....i'm just not blind and can appreciate that other phones in my opinion have eclipsed the iPhone in features long ago.
 
This is NOT good. A market in which the iPhone is the only option is a horrible market indeed.

Having a choice is a good thing. If Apple manages to destroy HTC, Android, Palm, etc... we'll no longer have a choice. And that's a horrible situation.

-Z

wow. you obviously have no understanding of what this case is about.

apparently, you believe that STEALING someone else's invention, calling it your own, and selling it for profit constitutes "choice" in the marketplace. what a load of bull.

enforcing the patent doesn't make the iPhone the "only option" or eliminate "choice." And if it "destroys" HTC, well, that would be because they don't have a viable product of their own to market.

Here's an idea: HTC, Google and Palm can develop and market their own ideas that don't steal Apple's inventions, and then we'll see how they do in the marketplace.

jeez. :rolleyes:
 
I could easily see Google dumping $$$$ into invalidating Apple's bogus UI patents. Maybe Apple will eventually have to participate openly in the UI research community rather than patent stuff that's already been invented by others.
 
Does Apple care about a flash for your camera? or a Phone that can walk and chew gum at the same time? Others have done that and more WAY before Apple. Now the iPad, who's selling points are that it's "magical" and that it "just works". OK, hope they have the Kool-Aid in other flavors than fruit punch for you.

You don't seem to get that the iPhone succeeds not for want or inclusion of any one feature, but because of the way it brings together hardware + software. with what we're getting with the iPhone, a flash for the camera is insignificant.

It's all about gestalt.
 
How am i affected?

Seriously..show me where i am "mad" or "affected" by the iPhone success?

I couldn't give a damn if it keeps selling well....i'm just not blind and can appreciate that other phones in my opinion have eclipsed the iPhone in features long ago.


My iPhone has 150,000+ (and growing) more "features" than your phone. So no. no phone have "eclipes the iPhone in features long ago".
 
I'm becoming *very* convinced that LTD is a paid Apple operative.

That would be an embarrassment for Apple!

Besides, if I was Jobs, I would pay somebody who has credibility and leave the 'clowns' as he said do what they do for free.
 
Did anyone else look at the legal papers for this? Most of the patents they are suing for are almost expired and they all seem to do with how the software was written like "allowing background processes communicate with foreground processes and update dynamically" (i thought this was common programming practice). I saw nothing to do with multi-touch, they all were related to how the programming works and the patents were very vague. Nothing that seemed to directly point out something HTC created that infringed on apples iphone patents.
 
I post this because I know it won't be read.

I'm glad Apple is doing this. Because Apple is going to end up finding it self on the defensive trying to explain why they patented the proverbial QWERTY. A lot of what Apple patented has been around for years.

Should be entertaining.

At least we know why WP7 looked so different than iPhone/Android.
 
2010 with the iPad about to hit the shelves, with developers and publishers lined up right behind it.

2010 is bigger. Much bigger.
I live outside of locked down content distribution models though. I'm not lacking entertainment either.

Can you tell me why I should replace my Late 2007 MacBook or how much better Snow Leopard is? Apple is backed against a wall with nVidia as well. I remember when the more knowledgeable Windows users jumped ship back when Vista came out. Now it seems like there's another migration back to Windows and Linux because Apple just doesn't provide what they want anymore.

I'm already expecting the worst in replies. Now in order to show off my Apple pride badge I did live and suffer under a year of PowerPC only hardware and extolled unto many the virtues of OS X. Apple has just stagnated to the point where they bore me. I want to do more with my computer hardware than what a toddler can do.
 
My iPhone has 150,000+ (and growing) more "features" than your phone.

Do you use all 150k? Do all 150k have benefits to you? Is it truly a feature if the apps themselves are limited by what the phone can do?
 
wow. you obviously have no understanding of what this case is about.

apparently, you believe that STEALING someone else's invention, calling it your own, and selling it for profit constitutes "choice" in the marketplace. what a load of bull.

enforcing the patent doesn't make the iPhone the "only option" or eliminate "choice." And if it "destroys" HTC, well, that would be because they don't have a viable product of their own to market.

Here's an idea: HTC, Google and Palm can develop and market their own ideas that don't steal Apple's inventions, and then we'll see how they do in the marketplace.

jeez. :rolleyes:

So tell me, hows that Airplane mode doing on the iPhone?
cause its a Palm Patent.


Or how about how the iPhone syncs to your computer? Cause it soudnse heavily like Palm's patent regarding hotsync:
Palm Computing's HotSync technology allows users of handheld devices based on the Palm Computing platform to synchronize
their information with a computer at a single touch of a button. The HotSync technology provides for fast, easy backup of data
and the ability to put the most up-to-date information from a desktop computer or server into the pocket or purse of the user.
To synchronize the handheld device with the computer, the user places the device in its small docking cradle, connected via a
serial cable or modem to the desktop computer or server network, and touches the HotSync button on the cradle. The HotSync
software then compares the information on the device with the version on the desktop computer or server and updates both
instantaneously to reflect the new information. Because the software runs in the background, this process requires virtually no
user interaction.


Seriously..patents are a messy business so its not as cut and dry as you are trying to imply.
 
funny, i don't recall seeing you in any of my intellectual property classes at UC. which firm do you practice with? all kidding aside, your assertion is not entirely accurate. the "calculus" as you call it is a lot more complicated. firstly, there's always the risk that one of the parties will institute separate proceedings in the pto to have one or more patents invalidated. and actually, it's not as hard as one might think given the crowded nature of prior art in the cell phone field. no patent, no cross licensing, no revenues. this is essentially what happened to apple with its intellectual property battles with microsoft in the late 80s. apple rolled the dice and lost control of the look and feel of its mac operating system making it possible for ms to attain dominance. no revenues, no royalties, nada. if indeed, the equities between apple and htc/palm are as you describe, then perhaps apple could come out on top. but i haven't seen the specific infringements being asserted. further, don't forget that nokia is suing EVERYBODY for infringement of hundreds of patents for all aspect of software and hardware design. knowing apple's cavalier attitude towards patents and trademarks, it occurs to me that they could be in serious trouble here. the htc suit is probably a side skirmish designed to provide leverage with the suit with nokia (by having apple's priority vis-avis htc and palm resolved in its favor), but without reading the pleadins in all these cases, it's impossible to say.

Still the same end game Professor. :)
 
My iPhone has 150,000+ (and growing) more "features" than your phone. So no. no phone have "eclipes the iPhone in features long ago".

Apps are features?

No apps are applications....you know, the thing every phone has. You could say the app store is a feature...which i'd agree....one I never longed for.

If i needed a specific app that only the iPhone had then you have a point...but I don't.
 
Does Apple care about a flash for your camera? or a Phone that can walk and chew gum at the same time? Others have done that and more WAY before Apple. Now the iPad, who's selling points are that it's "magical" and that it "just works". OK, hope they have the Kool-Aid in other flavors than fruit punch for you.

Nope apple does not care.

Apple is treating the iPhone like they treat everything they come out with. It is all flashy the day it comes out and from there it gets minor updates to keep up with the times or things that should of been there day 1.

Just look at the iPod classic from when it was first release to now what has apple done with it.

Lets see update size (minor keeping with the times)
Minor change from the 4 buttons to the click wheel. Over all just with the times.
Added a color screen -- That was the BIGGEST change but even then kind of keeping up with the times.

iPhone-- Lets see
-- Hard ware improvement - keeping up with the times.
3G -- Day one lacking
MMS -- Day one lacking
List goes on but it is typical apple format for them to really only do minor things after a product is release and that is it. iPhone is just going to get minor updates. I expect very little out of OS 4.0. People on the boards scream it is going to be game changing.... They said the same thing about 2.0 and 3.0 and none of those were anything more than minor updates.
 
I post this because I know it won't be read.

I'm glad Apple is doing this. Because Apple is going to end up finding it self on the defensive trying to explain why they patented the proverbial QWERTY. A lot of what Apple patented has been around for years.

Should be entertaining.

At least we know why WP7 looked so different than iPhone/Android.

Yes we do. It's going to save SB $ in the long run. :apple:
 
Does Apple care about a flash for your camera? or a Phone that can walk and chew gum at the same time? Others have done that and more WAY before Apple. Now the iPad, who's selling points are that it's "magical" and that it "just works". OK, hope they have the Kool-Aid in other flavors than fruit punch for you.

I can't understand the hue-and-cry about "multitasking". Apparently most people can't, since it hasn't kept the iPhone and iPod Touch from selling tens of millions of units. If you truly need multiple application windows open side-by-side on a phone, it's unfathomable to me but more power to you. But most people (including this middle-aged software engineer who hacks camera firmware in his spare time) would rather sacrifice "multitasking" that they'll never use for an interface that makes it easier to get to the things we do want to do.

If it doesn't meet your needs then it isn't for you, but the idea that a certain set of trade-offs is an affront to customers is beneath silly. I know, I know, nobody actually likes the iPhone/iPod Touch, they just buy it because commercials told them too.
 
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