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Does Apple care about a flash for your camera? or a Phone that can walk and chew gum at the same time? Others have done that and more WAY before Apple. Now the iPad, who's selling points are that it's "magical" and that it "just works". OK, hope they have the Kool-Aid in other flavors than fruit punch for you.

You say that like LTD will be the only one buying the iPad or new iPhone. There are plently of people that enjoy Apple products, even when they see other companies offering more features. It's not because they are too stupid to know better.
 
Not exclusively, no. I pay more attention to how the solutions are implemented than just some laundry-list of features.

Did you miss what i said.

I said i pay attention to features i need/use on a regular basis.

How is that just looking at a laundry list of features?


In my day to day use I simply could not get by on an iPhone...perhaps a jailbroken iphone...but even thats debatable.

Its not a knock on your phone of choice, its simply my personal preference.
 
Damn

I'm going to refrain from all the typical sophomoric talk that goes on around here uncontrolled. *cough* *mods*

My point was Apple showed the working iPhone before LG did.

Pretty simple.

To say LG "came out" with the first touch device is wrong.

I should have put my sarcasm face on, oh well. I agree that a press release is not the same as a product demo, but that was what apple did, a very carefully planned DEMO. Their phone didn't came out until 5 months later, and the LG Prada came out a lot sooner than that. I hope we can agree that what that means is that LG had already put a lot of work towards their (full touch capacitive screen) phone by the time apple demoed theirs.
 
Except that Apple continues to develop the iPhone. Which is the worst news for the also-rans. And June is getting closer. Apple's already rolling out the *next* game-changer (it's already changing the game and it isn't even on sale yet), the iPad.

What have we been hearing about the Nexus One? Google's latest-and-greatest HTC-rebrand? Hey, Uncle Walt said it best, right? Great phone, but it's no iPhone. No one's even talking about the Droid anymore. It's as if Google wants us to forget all about it. And it's not even more than a few months old.


1. So the game-changer is changing the game. That's very... informative and thoughtful. It's a shame that by the time this 'game-changer' comes out, the whole market will be changed too.


2. "Apple continues to develop the iPhone." Hell, those other companies don't even know what GSM is! Or flash, Flash or multitasking. Or battery life. Or autofocus on a smartphone.
 
You don't seem to get that the iPhone succeeds not for want or inclusion of any one feature, but because of the way it brings together hardware + software. with what we're getting with the iPhone, a flash for the camera is insignificant.

It's all about gestalt.

A flash for a camera is "insignificant", wow that's way out there. I think I've heard enough. Good luck.
 
My iPhone has 150,000+ (and growing) more "features" than your phone. So no. no phone have "eclipes the iPhone in features long ago".

Really?

Can your phone be used as a flashlight? Mine can.

Can your phone be used as a studfinder? Mine can.

Can your phone multi-task? Mine can.

Can yours tell you the weather, your days appointments - and about anything else you might want to know - on the main screen, without having to open an app? Mine can.

I'm not trying to sit here and tell you that the iPhone is terrible. It's not. I think its great.

I just think that my Android phone is a lot better, because it does all the iPhone does and more.

But that's not really the point, because the fact is that there will always be a few phones out there that do some things better than the one you (or I) own, and there will always be those things that our phones do better. The point is that it's silly to try to assert the iPhone as the de facto, clear, better in every way winner.

In fact, there's an interesting "double standard" of sorts going on here, because while the "pro-Apple" crowd (JUST to use an easy term here) wants all of these other companies to be forced to come up with stuff that is entirely original without any hint of being an "iPhone clone" they can't bear to hear that another phone does a given thing better than the iPhone. They want a clear "champ," and say it's the iPhone. Yet, if all of these other companies are making "totally original" tech, then guess what? There won't even be close to a "clear winner," and the iPhone will just beone product with one set of features among many.
 
Apps are features?

No apps are applications....you know, the thing every phone has. You could say the app store is a feature...which i'd agree....one I never longed for.

If i needed a specific app that only the iPhone had then you have a point...but I don't.


every app is a "feature" because an app can extend what the iPhone can do and make the iPhone more useful and fun to use.

"can the iPhone do blah blah blah...?"

"uh yeah there's an app for that..."
 
Hey, what are you doing using logic in this thread!

I know, I should leave all that logic stuff at the door... I just find it unbelieveable what these people say on this forum...

Me: "Iphone has a black or white back"
Fanboy: "No its obsidian and Pearl"
Me: "ok"
 
every app is a "feature" because an app can extend what the iPhone can do and make the iPhone more useful and fun to use.

"can the iPhone do blah blah blah...?"

"uh yeah there's an app for that..."

So now when you get your phone you have to expect to pay to "unlock" additional features?

Thats like saying the features of the xbox360 are ALL of its games.

No they are programs/applications that your 360 can run.

You are being a bit daft to try to prove a silly point.
 
Really?

Can your phone be used as a flashlight? Mine can.

Can your phone be used as a studfinder? Mine can.

Can your phone multi-task? Mine can.

Can yours tell you the weather, your days appointments - and about anything else you might want to know - on the main screen, without having to open an app? Mine can.

I'm not trying to sit here and tell you that the iPhone is terrible. It's not. I think its great.

I just think that my Android phone is a lot better, because it does all the iPhone does and more.

But that's not really the point, because the fact is that there will always be a few phones out there that do some things better than the one you (or I) own, and there will always be those things that our phones do better. The point is that it's silly to try to assert the iPhone as the de facto, clear, better in every way winner.

In fact, there's an interesting "double standard" of sorts going on here, because while the "pro-Apple" crowd (JUST to use an easy term here) wants all of these other companies to be forced to come up with stuff that is entirely original without any hint of being an "iPhone clone" they can't bear to hear that another phone does a given thing better than the iPhone. They want a clear "champ," and say it's the iPhone. Yet, if all of these other companies are making "totally original" tech, then guess what? There won't even be close to a "clear winner," and the iPhone will just beone product with one set of features among many.


well you just listed 4 "features" ROFL.

flashlight..woop dee doo

studfinder....?

multi-tasking.. (palm has multitasking too..good for them....btw, they're going to go bankrupt soon)

and that other thing you mentioned....



i don't think these features makes your android better than the iPhone :D
 
every app is a "feature" because an app can extend what the iPhone can do and make the iPhone more useful and fun to use.

"can the iPhone do blah blah blah...?"

"uh yeah there's an app for that..."


No its not a feature, a feature is something you cannot remove.. I believe the app store its self is a feature... but not the apps
 
well you just listed 4 "features" ROFL.

flashlight..woop dee doo

studfinder....?

multi-tasking.. (palm has multitasking too..good for them....btw, they're going to go bankrupt soon)

and that other thing you mentioned....



i don't think these features makes your android better than the iPhone :D


WTF is a studfinder? It sounds sexual

Edit - I call it an object detector, now that is cool!
 
My iPhone has 150,000+ (and growing) more "features" than your phone. So no. no phone have "eclipes the iPhone in features long ago".

Unfortunately, 149,990 of those "features" are fart noises and pictures of breasts.

All joking aside, the 150,000+ "features" claim is bogus because of all of the duplicate apps. To-do lists, Twitter, tip calculator. There may be 500 apps out there that do those things, but that's 3 features. Not 500.

I can't understand the hue-and-cry about "multitasking". Apparently most people can't, since it hasn't kept the iPhone and iPod Touch from selling tens of millions of units. If you truly need multiple application windows open side-by-side on a phone, it's unfathomable to me but more power to you. But most people (including this middle-aged software engineer who hacks camera firmware in his spare time) would rather sacrifice "multitasking" that they'll never use for an interface that makes it easier to get to the things we do want to do.

If it doesn't meet your needs then it isn't for you, but the idea that a certain set of trade-offs is an affront to customers is beneath silly. I know, I know, nobody actually likes the iPhone/iPod Touch, they just buy it because commercials told them too.

Multitasking isn't about having side by side apps. Multitasking is about me being able to listen to streaming radio in the background while browsing the web or being able to reply to a text without having to exit the game I'm in.
 
No its not a feature, a feature is something you cannot remove.. I believe the app store its self is a feature... but not the apps

That's a ridiculous definition. I can rm -rf everything on my Mac, so I guess nothing in the OS is a feature. Similarly the iBooks app on iPad is downloadable, not built-in to the firmware, so I guess it's not an iPad feature.
 
Unfortunately, 149,990 of those "features" are fart noises and pictures of breasts.



Multitasking isn't about having side by side apps. Multitasking is about me being able to listen to streaming radio in the background while browsing the web or being able to reply to a text without having to exit the game I'm in.

And browsing the web while on the speakerphone.
 
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Stop wasting your time sueing them and just make the next one better !!
 
I can't understand the hue-and-cry about "multitasking". Apparently most people can't, since it hasn't kept the iPhone and iPod Touch from selling tens of millions of units. If you truly need multiple application windows open side-by-side on a phone, it's unfathomable to me but more power to you. But most people (including this middle-aged software engineer who hacks camera firmware in his spare time) would rather sacrifice "multitasking" that they'll never use for an interface that makes it easier to get to the things we do want to do.

If it doesn't meet your needs then it isn't for you, but the idea that a certain set of trade-offs is an affront to customers is beneath silly. I know, I know, nobody actually likes the iPhone/iPod Touch, they just buy it because commercials told them too.

This is funny because its pretty much the opposite argument being made on the HDMI thread (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/871895/). There, the "strong Apple supporters" (for lack of a better term) are trying to defend the company's use of display port over HDMI because it's supposedly a better technology, which is better for more advanced users, and so even if the average joe won't use it, it should still be on Apple's products.

Here, it's being said that what matters is what people use, rather than what's a better, more advanced feature.:rolleyes:
 
This is NOT good. A market in which the iPhone is the only option is a horrible market indeed.

Having a choice is a good thing. If Apple manages to destroy HTC, Android, Palm, etc... we'll no longer have a choice. And that's a horrible situation.

We all love Apple for different reasons. I love the Mac. You love the iPhone. I can understand it, but at the same time, I'd rather there continue to be competition, because it keeps companies on their toes providing amazing stuff for us to play with at prices most of us can afford.

-Z

choice, I dont need one, apple got it right for me the first time, it may have been there first attempt at a phone, if it so bad why is everyonbe trying to copy it ? and I have no itention of buying another phone, its not that im a fanboy, just love what I have :D
 
This is funny because its pretty much the opposite argument being made on the HDMI thread (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/871895/). There, the "strong Apple supporters" (for lack of a better term) are trying to defend the company's use of display port over HDMI because it's supposedly a better technology, which is better for more advanced users, and so even if the average joe won't use it, it should still be on Apple's products.

Here, it's being said that what matters is what people use, rather than what's a better, more advanced feature.:rolleyes:

Really? Seemed to me the crux of the argument was that displayport (the spec - not necessarily apple's video cards) supports everything that HDMI supports, and since an adapter costs $10 at monoprice, who cares?
 
So now when you get your phone you have to expect to pay to "unlock" additional features?

Thats like saying the features of the xbox360 are ALL of its games.

No they are programs/applications that your 360 can run.

You are being a bit daft to try to prove a silly point.

the games on your xbox 360 are different because they do not ENABLE you.

the apps on your Android phones /iPhone/Blackberry enables you to "shop online"..."buy tickets online"..."read ebooks"...."monitor your baby.." and so on..

the apps extend the functionality (ie. features) of your phone. ;)
 
Hm, AFAIK, Apple legal team lost every patent infringement case brought against them in the past. I have no recollection of any patent case they ever won? Sure, they could teach anyone a lesson or two..:D

Apple has lost very few patent cases brought against them. The only one I can think of is Opti. Most are settled.

You forget to add that Google provided the Map application in the first iPhone. So Google engineers have inside knowledge of iPhone OS long before it was launched.

No, they did not. Apple designed the iPhone's map app. Google just supplies the data.

And you have to know that the Apple fanbois would LOVE to see the competition destroyed through the legal arena so that the iPHone can be the ONLY touch-screen smartphone. Amazing, they have the temerity to call MSFT a monopoly! :confused::eek::apple:

None of these patents would prevent the development of other touch-screen smartphones.

Microsoft is a monopoly.
 
the games on your xbox 360 are different because they do not ENABLE you.

the apps on your Android phones /iPhone/Blackberry enables you to "shop online"..."buy tickets online"..."read ebooks"...."monitor your baby.." and so on..

the apps extend the functionality (ie. features) of your phone. ;)

But when 500 apps all do the same feature, that doesn't count as 500 features. Your 150,000+ "features" number is completely bogus.
 
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