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Apple Files Lawsuit Against HTC Over Alleged iPhone Patent Infringement

Lazerlike42 said:
Really?

Can your phone be used as a flashlight? Mine can.
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Yes. Check the App store. There is a free app for that.
Lazerlike42 said:
Can your phone be used as a studfinder? Mine can.
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Yes, check the app store.
Lazerlike42 said:
Can your phone multi-task? Mine can.
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Yes. You do realize that there are background processes running on the iPhone OS right? The phone, iPod features run in the background. Apple restricts background tasks for third party apps but the OS can multitask. You can jailbreak and use backgrounder but then your performance and battery life will suffer like it does on your phone.
Lazerlike42 said:
Can yours tell you the weather, your days appointments - and about anything else you might want to know - on the main screen, without having to open an app? Mine can.
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If you jailbreak it, you can but most people don't care to clutter up their phone with "widgets". They prefer apps and the apps launch fast on the 3GS without slowing down everything because they don't run all the time like widgets do. Your widgets are sucking up battery even when your phone is locked.
Lazerlike42 said:
I'm not trying to sit here and tell you that the iPhone is terrible. It's not. I think its great.

I just think that my Android phone is a lot better, because it does all the iPhone does and more.
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Maybe you should learn a little bit more about the iPhone before it criticize it.
 
Competition

I am writing this from my iPhone 3GS. I have owned all 3 iPhones.

I am adamently against most, if not all, software patents. Unless the source code was stolen or a ui was designed to be identical then I am willing to argue it should not be labled as stealing. That is just my opinion.

I hope that this is not about mutitouch gestures (pinch to zoom). Gestures should be standardized. We do not need a market where different devices have different gestures. Imagine what would happen if a company could claim a patent on a comma delimited flat file...it would be bad for technology.

Gestures should be standardized. Apple should win by having the best implementation. Currently they do have the best implementation.

Just my opinion.
 
cmaier said:
That's a ridiculous definition. I can rm -rf everything on my Mac, so I guess nothing in the OS is a feature. Similarly the iBooks app on iPad is downloadable, not built-in to the firmware, so I guess it's not an iPad feature.
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Does the Ibook app come with the Ipad? then its a feature of the ipad...

When apple markets the iphone, does it market the app store as a features or all 150,000 apps individually?

5mp camera= Feature
3.7in AMOLED = Feature

A feature to me, is a premier highlighted item.. like a feature film... its something that makes the device standout when marketing...
 
yg17 said:
Multitasking isn't about having side by side apps. Multitasking is about me being able to listen to streaming radio in the background while browsing the web or being able to reply to a text without having to exit the game I'm in.
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You can listen to streaming radio in the background on an iPhone.
 
aristotle said:
Yes. You do realize that there are background processes running on the iPhone OS right? The phone, iPod features run in the background. Apple restricts background tasks for third party apps but the can multitask. You can jailbreak and use backgrounder but then your performance and battery life will suffer like it does on your phone.
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No, that is not multitasking. Can you listen to Pandora and check your e-mail? No. That would be multitasking.

And jailbreaking is absolutely not a legit response to these criticisms of the iPhone because each update of the iPhone OS breaks the jailbreak, it is not supported by Apple, and the latest 3GS models can't even be jailbroken.

Things that require jailbreaking on the iPhone can be done out of the box, fully supported by the manufacturer, on other smart phones.
 
diabolic said:
You say that like LTD will be the only one buying the iPad or new iPhone. There are plently of people that enjoy Apple products, even when they see other companies offering more features. It's not because they are too stupid to know better.
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The average electronic consumer STILL does not know how to program a VCR. Apple makes "idiot proof" products for that type of consumer who needs simple functions that "just work". People who actually know something about electronics find Apple products to be inferior. That's why the iPhone is so popular, because it's an inferior product for people who don't know better. What I find entertaining and humorous here is people who actually think that Apple products are the best in consumer electronics.
 
lex750 said:
A flash for a camera is "insignificant", wow that's way out there. I think I've heard enough. Good luck.
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In fact, for most people it is insignificant. You are aware, aren't you, that before the checklist mentality really took hold in the mid-1980s almost no camera had an on-board flash, and very few came with one at all?

People want it to be there to check it off the feature list, but people in the consumer camera industry will tell you that they all suck and people only use them on purpose when they absolutely have to. One of the number one questions for automatic cameras is "How do I turn off the flash, it washes out all my pictures."

You should learn about a market before you comment on it. No offense.
 
Lazerlike42 said:
Really?

Can your phone be used as a flashlight? Mine can.
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Yes.

Lazerlike42 said:
Really?

Can your phone be used as a studfinder? Mine can.
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Maybe ;)
Lazerlike42 said:
Really?

Can your phone multi-task? Mine can.
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Yes.
Lazerlike42 said:
Really?

Can yours tell you the weather, your days appointments - and about anything else you might want to know - on the main screen, without having to open an app? Mine can.
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Yes.

iPhone..

but I'll admit that I could not use a non-jailbreaked iphone :eek:
 
diabolic said:
You say that like LTD will be the only one buying the iPad or new iPhone. There are plently of people that enjoy Apple products, even when they see other companies offering more features. It's not because they are too stupid to know better.
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Yes they bought into the Apple marketing machine. Congrats.
 
gohanmzt said:
I should have put my sarcasm face on, oh well. I agree that a press release is not the same as a product demo, but that was what apple did, a very carefully planned DEMO. Their phone didn't came out until 5 months later, and the LG Prada came out a lot sooner than that. I hope we can agree that what that means is that LG had already put a lot of work towards their (full touch capacitive screen) phone by the time apple demoed theirs.
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I will agree that Apple and LG BOTH did a lot of R&D around the same time.

As have other companies.

And the PRADA was only sold in Asia for the start.

"Check it Apple, LG just went official with their iPhone look-a-like LG KE850 Prada phone which they proudly tout as the world's "first completely touch screen mobile phone." Er, unless you consider the ones from Motorola, HTC, and others. Still, this is more than likely a dig at the iPhone which they can rightly make since the KE850 will hit select mobile shops and PRADA stores in the UK, France, Germany and Italy at the end of February and parts of Asia before March is through. Sadly, the KE850 is a non starter for the US market since this version is limited to tri-band GSM 900/1800/1900 with EDGE data. "
 
*LTD* said:
HTC may hold patents they did nothing with until Apple showed up. Then again, HTC might have simply decided to walk a fine line (possibly violating Apple's patents) and pull in profit for as long as possible before it hit the fan.

Apple introduced the iPhone and suddenly everyone else got busy changing around their UIs, adding capacitive touch screens, you name it.

Apple knows exactly what they're doing in the legal arena. They've dodged any and all antitrust dangers, maintained their iTunes business model, fought off all allegations of corporate wrongdoing (stock-options, etc.) and recently got their OS X EULA upheld, burying Psystar.

Note that Apple did nothing against Palm, even though that was a similar situation. Apple *has* decided to go after HTC, though. Seems Apple has a strong position this time.

Smart money is on Apple.
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More likely, it's the first salvo in what eventually becomes a cross-licensing deal.
 
BaldiMac said:
You can listen to streaming radio in the background on an iPhone.
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Not without jailbreaking, unless you're talking about the method via Safari, which most services do not support.

Features only available via jailbreaking do not count as features.
 
coleridge78 said:
In fact, for most people it is insignificant. You are aware, aren't you, that before the checklist mentality really took hold in the mid-1980s almost no camera had an on-board flash, and very few came with one at all?

People want it to be there to check it off the feature list, but people in the consumer camera industry will tell you that they all suck and people only use them on purpose when they absolutely have to. One of the number one questions for automatic cameras is "How do I turn off the flash, it washes out all my pictures."

You should learn about a market before you comment on it. No offense.
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So he should buck up and buy a phone that is missing a feature he needs? Should we all be forced to buy an iPhone because Steve Jobs is your god? :confused:
 
dejo said:
Alright, so your personal preference is to concentrate on features whereas mine is to concentrate on solutions.
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Are you being aloof on purpose? I bought my phone for the same reasons you bought yours. (i'm assuming you are an educated consumer).
 
DaveSW said:
well you just listed 4 "features" ROFL.

flashlight..woop dee doo

studfinder....?

multi-tasking.. (palm has multitasking too..good for them....btw, they're going to go bankrupt soon)

and that other thing you mentioned....



i don't think these features makes your android better than the iPhone :D
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I think they do, for two reasons.

First, they're (well, at least the first 2) are hardware based. They're not just apps, but they're applications taking advantage of the hardware. You couldn't make these apps for the iPhone, because it doesn't currently have the hardware to do these things.

What this also means, btw, is that there are a ton of tremendous possibilities for this hardware that haven't been though of yet.

Second. you'd be shocked how much more useful these things are than you might imagine. The flashlight is a tremendous example. I use that thing at least 5 times a day, often more. It's the kind of thing you'd never think about or realize how useful it is until you have it.

For example, I was recently in a bad neighborhood at night leaving the Super Bowl party I was at, and I dropped my keys. Couldn't find them. The lighting was poor, there were all kinds of cars for them to have fallen under, etc. etc. Rather than fumbling around looking for them, or heading back to the house to borrow a flashlight (and leaving my keys out there, mind you), pull out the phone, light on, 10 seconds I've got my keys and I'm off.

Power went out recently. Didn't have a light. Had my phone one me so I could go find a flashlight.

And there are countless other examples. The thing is just darn useful. I use it more than I call people - and it's right there with me, all the time, in my pocket. It's insanely useful.

The studfinder? That's a type of tool that you use to find out where there's a board in the wall so you can hang a shelf or a dart board or whatnot. Yeah, it's silly, and yeah, I won't use it much, but when I have needed it, it's been great! And this is possible again, because of the hardware, and who knows what other uses for that hardware they'll come up with!

Multitasking has been explained well by other users:

"Multitasking isn't about having side by side apps. Multitasking is about me being able to listen to streaming radio in the background while browsing the web or being able to reply to a text without having to exit the game I'm in. "
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Eidorian said:
Now it seems like there's another migration back to Windows and Linux because Apple just doesn't provide what they want anymore.

I'm already expecting the worst in replies. Apple has just stagnated to the point where they bore me. I want to do more with my computer hardware than what a toddler can do.
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There is also growing hostility towards Apple Inc as a corporation.

I too, know a lot of people moving back to Windows. Vista was a disaster and there was a point (Apple moving to Intel) when certain Apple computers made financial sense. I've had an old Mac and I used Macs at university occasionally in the nineties, but when I was looking for a good 12-13" laptop and Apple had the white kitchen wonder with C2D, I bought one. Ever since, I keep replacing my Apple laptops and wait for the next ones to come out. Computing shouldn't be like that. In a way, being obsessed with the product of a certain tech company is kind of embarrassing and I accept my part there. Sadly, the limitations annoy me so much. Not as they are present, but as they appear to be intentional.
 
So Apple now has a veto on:

* touch capacitive screen
* smart-phone with touch screen
* ability to download apps to smartphone
* etc....

Are they THAT afraid of Google?
 
Lazerlike42 said:
This is funny because its pretty much the opposite argument being made on the HDMI thread (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/871895/). There, the "strong Apple supporters" (for lack of a better term) are trying to defend the company's use of display port over HDMI because it's supposedly a better technology, which is better for more advanced users, and so even if the average joe won't use it, it should still be on Apple's products.

Here, it's being said that what matters is what people use, rather than what's a better, more advanced feature.:rolleyes:
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Yes, it is quite funny and eyeroll-worthy that thousands of different people on an internet forum have differing opinions on differing topics, thereby making your strawmen and broad brushes more difficult to employ.

For the record, I didn't post in the HDMI thread (didn't even look at it, don't care, don't ever use display output when I'm not at work). But I will say that your strawman is not only a strawman, it's also a poor argument. Having one type of port but not another when there is an adapter to solve the problem doesn't really mean anything, except that you have to spend money on the adapter (and pay enough to get one that isn't crap). Having extra features that necessitate added complexity system-wide for something that most of your users won't need or want is an entirely different sort of tradeoff; it's actively obstructive from an interface perspective.
 
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