That is where their argument typically ends, when this simple fact is pointed out. Then the mental gymnastics begin
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Apple Fined $2 Million in Brazil for Selling iPhones Without Chargers
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In the end, what matters is whether or not Apple violated Brazilian law. If they did, they need to be rightfully punished in accordance with said law. Unless I missed it somewhere, not one person has posted the alleged lawful violation as to Brazilian code.
after all the billions they save on those chargers $2 millions is just pennies to Apple lol.
I think the whole price was actually for the charger and the phone, cable, papers, plastics, stickers, sim tool and box were for free. Show us some proof that I am wrong.
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I agree that the chargers should have been included. Or optioned as an on request free item.
BUT, if someone is so tight on their budget that $20 is going to break them while buying a cell phone that on average cost around $1000, maybe they should reevaluate their buying. Buy a cheaper cell phone. Why buy a thousand dollar phone if $20 extra breaks the bank?? Come on man. That is not a good argument.
Can’t believe he’s defending a faceless mega corporation this much
If someone wanted to get the new usb-c charger, there are plenty to get. If someone has the usb-a bricks of any variety or a wireless charger, charging can still be accomplished. People who have neither will have to get a brick.
One should do their due diligence when buying a $1000 item.
Can't believe that there is a sentiment that a faceless mega corporation should have to do anything. It's up to the consumer to decide if the purchase is right for them.
Not taking into account any findings from this investigation.
Another way of looking at it is that the removal of the charging brick and the lower freight charges help to offset what may otherwise have been higher iPhone prices.
People complain when Apple raises the prices of their iPhones every now and then, and to me, that's just a natural consequence. iPhones cost more because they increasingly cost more to design and make.
So it's not so much what you are paying for, but rather, what you are not paying for.
People have done their due diligence. They're still allowed to complain about corporations ripping people off. I can't believe you're justifying not including a necessary peripheral in a $1000 device. Desperate.
Apple's original excuse was "profit" under the guise of the "environment". As many have stated Apple for years included only USB-A Chargers with their hardware, which included a USB-A to Lightning cable. Since Apple shifted the included cable from USB-A to Lightning to USB-C to Lightning this effectively made the previous USB-A charger a paperweight which means customers have no option to purchased a new USB-C charger separately in order to charge a device which they have paid for in order to use the included USB-C to Lightning cable.
The assumption that people have multiple chargers with different connection types floating around is ridiculous to the extreme and is a similar pathetic excuse used by Nintendo when they decided to drop AC adapters with their 3DS / 2DS hardware years ago. As for the "environmental" claims these are false as well. Since previous owners never needed a USB-C charger previously this means two separate boxes - one for the phone and one for the AC adapter - twice the amount of cardboard for no reason other than profit. if a USB-A to Lighting cable was included instead this would allow the use of previous USB-A AC adapters (albeit a slower charge time but better than nothing).
Apple's claims don't hold water (no pun intended as to water resistance of an iPhone). If Apple included the option to obtain a new USB-C charger at no additional cost upon purchasing a new iPhone / going on contract or simply provide them a voucher / QR code that could be redeemed on line or at Apple as well. I hope other countries like Australia who seem to have the toughest consumer laws around enforce this as well.
The assumption that people have multiple chargers with different connection types floating around is ridiculous to the extreme and is a similar pathetic excuse used by Nintendo when they decided to drop AC adapters with their 3DS / 2DS hardware years ago. As for the "environmental" claims these are false as well. Since previous owners never needed a USB-C charger previously this means two separate boxes - one for the phone and one for the AC adapter - twice the amount of cardboard for no reason other than profit. if a USB-A to Lighting cable was included instead this would allow the use of previous USB-A AC adapters (albeit a slower charge time but better than nothing).
Apple's claims don't hold water (no pun intended as to water resistance of an iPhone). If Apple included the option to obtain a new USB-C charger at no additional cost upon purchasing a new iPhone / going on contract or simply provide them a voucher / QR code that could be redeemed on line or at Apple as well. I hope other countries like Australia who seem to have the toughest consumer laws around enforce this as well.
I thought this was no issue from my perspective until I had to buy a phone for my Mum and realised it has no charger.
Rinse and repeat for many other people across the world who just don’t have USB-C chargers hanging around and you have a lot of 1st and 3rd party power brick sales across the world. Especially when Apple has just changed the charger cable.
It doesn’t sound environmental at all, some type of numbers showed them that they could exclude the power brick.
Rinse and repeat for many other people across the world who just don’t have USB-C chargers hanging around and you have a lot of 1st and 3rd party power brick sales across the world. Especially when Apple has just changed the charger cable.
It doesn’t sound environmental at all, some type of numbers showed them that they could exclude the power brick.
I agree in general that due diligence is on the consumer, but not absolutely. If it was absolute, then there would be no need for consumer protection laws, right?
Nobody is stopping anybody from complaining and, in that vein responses to the complaints are still allowed.
A charging brick is necessary, a USB port is necessary. It’s not necessary to include one in the box.
If one is in the demographic they have no charging brick or computer USB port, this demographic will have to get one.
A good company would include the necessary peripherals in the box instead of upselling them. lol
to be completely fair, a charger is a different product than an iphone. If you think this is bad, think of the Mac Mini, its a computer that is not operational out of the box because its missing parts like mouse and keyboard.
Apple should write a "charger not included" label like toys "battery not included".
Apple should write a "charger not included" label like toys "battery not included".
Think of this in terms of marginal cost. If there is a close alternative phone with the charger included, and the customer is on the fence about this buying decision.
Xiaomi also doesn't include the charger in the box, however, you can opt for a version with a fast charger in the box if you want, for the same price as the version without the charger.
„Adapter not needed“
- includes a usb-c to lightning cable
if anything, they make more electronic waste by including a cable that doesn’t work with the adapters most people Apple claims to already have
Nothing is stopping you from using the usb-A to lightning cable that came with your previous charger either.
You are all funny. Complain when Apple takes stuff away, and complain when Apple leaves stuff in the box as well.
Obviously, the solution is for the next iPhone to not ship with any charging cable either. This way, people can’t complain about it not being compatible with older chargers. Make the box even thinner!
On a side note, wireless charging is way less energy efficient (lot of heat loss) than wired so the environmental reason is BS again
If one already has the accessories there is no upsell and a save on the environment. As Samsung gets into this however this may be the norm.