so they include a cable people won’t be using? I thought their goal was less waste? In that case, they might as well not include one at all
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Apple Fined $2 Million in Brazil for Selling iPhones Without Chargers
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so they include a cable people won’t be using? I thought their goal was less waste? In that case, they might as well not include one at all
Apple not supplying chargers for iPhone is a slippery slop for customers, the more we accept no charger in the box it will come to a time when all Apple's products will not come with a charger, therefore more cost to the customer. I know it will be said that this will reflect in the price of the product you buy, but over time this difference will disappear and you will still have to buy an expensive charger. just look at the way we accept we have to buy dongles at the moment just to use our laptops the way we wish to use them.
Suits them right if they do not abide by the local laws. It’s really sad that you dish out 900€ for a phone and it doesn’t even come with a power brick and you must buy one separately.
Not everyone has 4 chargers laying around, and I don't fall for the environment thing, and you shouldn't either, they just want to milk every last penny out of you.
Not everyone has 4 chargers laying around, and I don't fall for the environment thing, and you shouldn't either, they just want to milk every last penny out of you.
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That’s not saving the Planet, that’s fooling customers, just like you. In contrary, they are forcing people to buy USB-C chargers while keeping the iPhone at the same price or higher, depending of your country. Most people have a USB-A type charger at home, not USB-C, the iPhone comes with a USB-C cable, which drives them directly into the „buy a new USB-C charger“ trap, since the cable is already included, most people don’t even know what USB-A or C is. Ends of story is, guy buys an iPhone and a Charger, because the Cable is included, driving Apple to more profits.
Apple is just being greedy, and walk over dead corpses. If they would care for the environment, they would not glue the devices together and make internals easy replaceable.
When I saw the original Apple, I thought how is this saving anything? You need a power adapter nobody has, So people is gonna have to go somewhere else to buy it. This is just Another demonstration of apples greed. Screw the consumer give us the money. I just hope this is of the step along the road Apple going the same way as Nokia
In France they **musst** include Airpods. Your naysay won’t help.
It doesn’t work that way. Customer still would want one if you present them with the option, even if they don’t intend to use it. People are interesting species. They would grab anything with the tag 🏷 FREE. Better this way. They will buy a charger once and learn to keep it for several years rather then dump it.
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The worst part is they started doing it with older phones too. I had to buy a USBC charger on top of my XR I bought last month as well as sinking for some 2nd hand AirPods because I didn’t have any lightning headphones around.
1-0 to Apple.
1-0 to Apple.
usb c is future so it’s gonna wait in your drawer. and if u have an adapter u probably have a usb a cable too
a) Don't include charger and cable
b) Only include cable
c) Only include charger
d) Include both charger and cable
Although a) is best for the climate, clearly b) is better than d) ?
The problem is the number of chargers.
Making it free will lead to more people getting one.
How would solve the problem of reducing the number of chargers being produced in the world if you make it free?
True but not including the charger is better than including both the charger and the cable.
The cable is less of a problem since cables will be broken much more than chargers and you will probably find a use for it.
Which is a good thing. A lot of people are worried that reducing carbon footprint is going to cost money and Apple is here showing that you can make a profit.
This might encourage other companies to make similar decisions.
Producing and transporting the chargers are much more carbon intensive than cables.
Yes, it would be even better if Apple chose not to include the cable, but they chose the next best thing. Maybe in a few years they will drop the cable too and everyone will be happy about Apple's consistency.
It is too profitable to them to avoid supplying the charger. All of these manufacturers have razor thin margins on many of their product lines and this will help them be more profitable or more competitive.
I believe both Samsung and some Chinese manufacturers have begun dropping chargers on their high end products.
For me, I rarely use the chargers that Apple includes with their products because they very often aren't the best.
For the longest time, Apple bundled 5w charging bricks with their iPhones, which were pitifully slow.
The 12w charger that came with the iPad, and the 18w charger that came with my iPad Pro were actually pretty decent. But as my number of apple products increased, the allure of standalone chargers diminished as I switched to multi-port charging bricks to save space.
Even the 30w charger that came with my M1 MBA has been replaced with a 60w charger from Anker.
As such, I find that I am pretty much indifferent to whether Apple includes charging bricks or not because the reality is I will switch to something better, and they just sit untouched in the box.
I realise this doesn't exactly excuse Apple from doing away with chargers altogether, but if Apple (or anyone for that matter) is just going to end up giving me more of what I don't need or want, then I would rather they didn't bother in the first place.
I have no doubt that people who don't need one will still request one. Here's where things like nudge techniques can come into play. If you ask the question about whether people need a charger the right way, you'll get more people to consider whether they need it and say no. I for one won't request a charger because I don't need it. I have plenty of chargers.
But even if every single person requested a charger, boxing the charger separately from the phone will still have a significant impact by reducing the shipping volume (think about all the wasted space in an old iPhone box required to fit a charger into it.
You would reduce your carbon footprint a lot by reducing your run rate of 30 phones every 5 years to two.
If you bought one charger five years ago which you could still use today, there would be 29 less chargers produced for you.
By tying the charger to the person and not the device, the number of chargers per person during the lifetime would be a lot less.
Let's say you get a phone when your 10 and you keep buying a new phone every 3 years until you are 80. That would mean about 23-24 chargers produced just for your phones.
Let's say that a charger will last 10 years, which will only require you to buy 7 chargers.
It is a win of 23-7 = 16 chargers during your lifetime.
The number gets even better if you can use that charger for many devices. If you have 10 devices in your house which require charing and you can get away with 3 chargers, during a lifetime the number of chargers being produced because they don't come with the device will be reduced many times over.
Which needs to change. Stop selling the charger and the cable if you need it yourself.
For this to work, we have to get into people's head that the charger is not tied to a device but to you as a person or your household.
A charger is used for many devices and you keep them for a much longer time than your devices.
To be fair, many second hand smartphone shops will insist on the original packaging and all the original accessories if you want a decent price for your phone.
No, Apple should have an enormous degree of freedom of they package and sell their products.
I they want to triple the price, fine. If they want to stop selling with cables or charges, fine. If they want to sell it in ugly gray boxes fine.
As long as the buyer is reasonable informed before they buy, Apple should be allowed to almost anything they want with their products as long as it's safe.
They can, but they don't want to. It is really that simple. And companies should have that kind of freedom.