Interesting on Samsung's S21Ultra 5G the "What's in the Box" is not only a smaller text size than Apple but it also DOESN'T come with a charger and it's even somewhat smaller print than Apple explaining that. So stop acting like Apple is purposely trying to screw a customer over. Every company designs their sites this way.
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Apple Fined $2 Million in Brazil for Selling iPhones Without Chargers
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No it’s more cost effective to pay the small fine than start including a charger or they could just stick a cheap 5W charger just to keep them happy.
Amstrad once did a similar thing were to avoid tax they had to increase the memory of their computers so they stuck an extra RAM chip in not wired up and advertised it having the required memory in the computer 😂 actually happened and so Apple probably just do a similar trick these law makers got no clue in the computer world
The whataboutism is unreal. Samsung is an awful company and shouldn’t share the bar on consumer orientation with Apple. They’re supposed to be above that and price their phones as such
What's more is that Apple's move actually gives you more choice: You can choose whatever charging solution makes sense for you.
This whole kerfuffle is completely ridiculous.
Except they financially make that choice for you by keeping the phone price exactly the same but including less in the box. You like getting swindled by a trillion dollar corporation fine but calling people that don’t “ridiculous” is ignorant at best
I honestly hope apple adds a charger back into the box and raises the price $100. Problem solved and they've "financially" made a $100 choice for everyone whether they need it or not.
You’re way too excited by this. It really changes nothing and there are valid arguments on Apple’s side too.
The iPhone itself is better than before. They could charge more and you‘d pay for it.
Not really. They’d have had an argument if they reduced the iPhone price by the size of the charger. If they’re not making the charger and putting it in the box why am I paying for it???
Somewhat unrelated and likely the unpopular opinion, but I prefer Apple not including accessories that could be redundant. It's a waste of material and pollutes the environment during the manufacturing and when it ends up in landfills. Sure, Apple could be making a few bucks off of us, but it's better than all the extra chargers and cables I have lying around now from my past devices. Here's a jab at most of us plebs here, Apple could have built in the price to factor in the reduced cost, but we'll never know because we'd just compare it with last year's price and see it's an increase. Unless we see a dramatic price drop of like $50-100, our perception is they're greedy. Basically, us normies only care about our wallets and aren't doing anything for the environment (for most people they probably fail to agree or simply dismiss what Apple is doing as greed), which let's not kid ourselves, this is expected of us. If apple did cut the price by $50, would anyone really even consider using this money for greater good or simply pocket it and splurge on other things? Really, the bigger picture I want to say is (unrelated to Apple), as a large general population we can't solve jack by ourselves, who are we kidding when we say we're fighting climate change, solving poverty, cleaning up trash, etc. etc.; the general population can't do anything until they're forced to by the government or a wealthier person or company forces us to accept it. /endspiel
And they do, frequently. Like with iPhone X being 999. We already paid the “improvement tax” and since then nothing notable has been introduced. That being said I’d totally pay extra for ProMotion at least
Again, maybe you aren’t. The new phones are better. It’s a silly exercise. It makes sense not to keep giving those little white bricks with 2B Apple devices in the world.
Maybe they should give you a coupon for one, but I agree to not include it in the box.
That was 4 years ago. 2% inflation per year could make it $1,075 now.
Saying the iPhone X and the iphone 12 are the same is just illogical. The cameras alone are night and day difference.
So after years of keeping mid-gen/S-level I Phone prices the same year to year, they’ll suddenly up its price by exactly the same price of the charger on the year they got rid of the charger? LOL the mental gymnastics here are wild
The prices of iPhones haven’t increased in years...they easily could, just with inflation. They’ve also improved tremendously.
The only thing illogical is to price out 2 different camera modules that differ in year produced from the perspective one only one year’s price. It’s like money and economics 101. The value of the best camera modules in volume back then does not differ significantly from the value of the best camera modules in volume today.
This may be hard for you to grasp on but did it ever occur to you that Apple never included the price of the charger in the iPhone price in the first place? I would argue that's why Apple no longer includes chargers because it's highly possible they never charged extra for the included charger.
I'm sure your fingers are itching to quickly type a rebuttal to this because if you're planning to disagree then show us some proof that I am wrong.
What comes inside the box with the product is a fact about the product.
I think I pretty accurately described what you are showing here. The text in both images look the same size, but regardless, for the website perhaps I should have used the term “non-attention-getting text” rather than “fine print” since fine print does usually mean you need to squint to see it (though you do need to squint for the box). My point wasn’t that you need to squint to see it, but that it was overall too inconspicuous. I stated my reasons for why I believed so, which you are free to disagree with.
I don’t know if this is true since I haven’t bought a printer in over a decade and can’t remember if cables are usually included. But the mere fact that I don’t know if it’s true says that it’s probably not a common understanding, therefore wouldn’t need to be as explicitly stated.
I already understood this is your position.
I don’t know how to respond to this. It seems very irrelevant but I can’t quite put into words why. Apologies.
I don’t really keep up with what other companies are doing, but what I’m saying should apply to them too.
“Apple never included the price of the charger in the iPhone price”
LOL burden of proof for that hum dinger is on you pal. More mental gymnastics
Holy crap, I cannot believe how much corporate ass-kissery and naivety is happening in this thread. LOL
Apple really convinced people with that claim of caring about the environment while changing the standard of their connector the same year, eh?
Charging bricks give out after a while (my iPhone 5c one gave out this year), and cables last an even shorter period, so eventually you're going to come to a point where your old iPhones charger is no longer functional, so Apple is forcing you to buy a charger (which is necessary for the functioning of your phone) for an extra fee versus when one was included, and shipping it in more packaging than would've been necessary for the phone+charger package. Eventually, this uses more packaging for everyone.
I would consider this move to have been in better faith had they removed the charger after two or three years of including the USB-C charger with iPhones. That way at least it would've given enough time for the standard to be adopted across the average life-span of a phone user. Sure, some use them for more years, but the average turnover is 2-3 years. Changing the standard AND removing the charging brick in the same year, though? Absolutely hoping to capitalize on users buying new chargers at a premium. Lets not pretending that Apple is selling these phones or chargers at cost here, folks. Including $20 charger that probably cost $5 (or less) to produce wouldn't destroy the profit margins of the phone. hah
Apple really convinced people with that claim of caring about the environment while changing the standard of their connector the same year, eh?
Charging bricks give out after a while (my iPhone 5c one gave out this year), and cables last an even shorter period, so eventually you're going to come to a point where your old iPhones charger is no longer functional, so Apple is forcing you to buy a charger (which is necessary for the functioning of your phone) for an extra fee versus when one was included, and shipping it in more packaging than would've been necessary for the phone+charger package. Eventually, this uses more packaging for everyone.
I would consider this move to have been in better faith had they removed the charger after two or three years of including the USB-C charger with iPhones. That way at least it would've given enough time for the standard to be adopted across the average life-span of a phone user. Sure, some use them for more years, but the average turnover is 2-3 years. Changing the standard AND removing the charging brick in the same year, though? Absolutely hoping to capitalize on users buying new chargers at a premium. Lets not pretending that Apple is selling these phones or chargers at cost here, folks. Including $20 charger that probably cost $5 (or less) to produce wouldn't destroy the profit margins of the phone. hah
The amount of hand-wringing is quite astounding as well.
No standard was changed. The business end of the cable is still lightning. And sure things give out over time. I have lightning connectors and 5w brick from my 5s. I'm sure it's going to give out one day, but I'll buy a new one.
Apple isn't forcing anybody to buy anything. The premise is with the obsequiousness of USB-A, an individual can use their existing cables and bricks, if so desired. People will believe what they want to believe about this situation.
How about the business end of USB-C? Past iPhone users don't have chargers for that. That standard changed.
As I pointed out, cables die after a handful of years tops, fewer if they're regularly used. Why include the cable without the charger, by that logic? Neither is more necessary than the other, without the other.
Yep, that is a perfect summary of what’s going on. Well done