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Some of you guys think every app and website that isn’t distributed through the App Store is a scam just waiting to steal your credit card info.

Oh dear, how did we survive before our dear lord and Savior, Apple, showed us the right path??

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And the same people are signed up to endless other services through a variety of billing and access means -- and likely even use things like Facebook on the web (at least sometimes), which is a totally bare pickle no protection free for all.

...and things are ...

just.
fine.
 
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Yep, this is just the start, Apple will face plant hard and break their teeth, but funny to “think different”.
I posted a few days ago that I might switch to a Arcade like platform for Apps, where there’s one price for all you can eat. Then I realized it already exists in Apple One subscriptions. This will be expanded to include 3rd party apps that they create with partners instead of the current free for all. It will likely have consumer, Small Business, and Enterprise tiers but it will be on sub for all access.

Hostile developers won’t have access to the platform with the latest and greatest Apple Tech because won’t participate. They can use the old App Store or a browser, but Apple won’t be investing or helping them develop new Apps. And since this won’t be a marketplace and is all you can eat, there only Apple with manage the customers payment information
 
The thing is...people aren't going to realize what a cluster**** they created by demanding these options. Until it bites them. But it'll be too late. They won't be happy until they ruin something that's actually good. And then they STILL won't be happy because it'll be a total mess.

The saying "be careful what you wish for...because you just might get it" comes to mind. You'll get what you want! But it'll also come with a lot of things you DIDN'T want.
It will be the same as for meal delivery services. In the Netherlands few people use credit cards, the app will use a service like iDeal that redirects them to their bank‘s website or app where they log in to make the payment. It will be fine.
 
I doubt apple is willingly going to let go of billions of dollars of revenue. That they are Paying the fine says that…it may be cheaper to close the App Store in the long run.
will likely not close the Apple Store but may very likely change it from the relatively open store that it currently is.
 
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Thanks Apple for this weekly allowance :)

Also, curious what a lot of the MacRumors members will say when the US will enforce rules like this / App Store changes. Will they also say “Apple should just walk away from all this. Apple doesn’t need them.” ?
Stupidity at its best, right? Typical apple fanboys answer. They don't know how business work.
 
Some of you guys think every app and website that isn’t distributed through the App Store is a scam just waiting to steal your credit card info.

Oh dear, how did we survive before our dear lord and Savior, Apple, showed us the right path??

?
Snark notwithstanding, I think you're correct. Some people have said "ok let them go to web apps instead." Not sure how someone can square that against the security argument. The better argument in favor of the IAP approach is definitely that payment processing and the customer service around it is typically more cumbersome to go alone than what Apple already provides. But I'm not entirely convinced that that's a good enough reason to say "no third party payments at all." I think there's value in having Apple handle that, but not every developer necessarily needs it.
 
No, apple proclaims that training users to enter their Mastercard and visa credentials into pop-ups after clicking a website link is not a safe idea. And they're right. Right now I trust my parents no to f*ck stuff up on the iPad and iPhones I bought for them and thus far they never have and they seem to digitally thrive on those. If any app can have links to third party websites to buy whatever, then I don't think I can trust them anymore and I think they won't dare to buy stuff anymore either.
But don’t people do this all the time when purchasing non-digital goods that don’t use Apple’s in app purchase?
 
Apple’s pathetic attempts to avoid the law using dodgy tactics will be stopped. It should just give up and stop forcing developers to use the apple store and its payment systems. If it doesn’t stop it its own accord it will be stopped by force: netherland is only one of the first states to do so, and only on a single category of apps, but soon enough it will be the whole EU to demand the same thing, and the fines will be much higher, as the potentially lost revenue in case that market would be precluded to apple.
Well, Tim Cook and the other upper lemmings are so arrogant, they will play the game till the end. Sadly, their bank accounts are full already and they don’t care for Apple nor for any of its employees. They rather kill Apple and get all unemployed than obey to laws, that’s how the Apple Mafia ticks inside.
I hope Tim Cook get sued at civil level someday.
 
No, apple proclaims that training users to enter their Mastercard and visa credentials into pop-ups after clicking a website link is not a safe idea. And they're right. Right now I trust my parents no to f*ck stuff up on the iPad and iPhones I bought for them and thus far they never have and they seem to digitally thrive on those. If any app can have links to third party websites to buy whatever, then I don't think I can trust them anymore and I think they won't dare to buy stuff anymore either.
How did you all survive before Apple? ?
 
I posted a few days ago that I might switch to a Arcade like platform for Apps, where there’s one price for all you can eat. Then I realized it already exists in Apple One subscriptions. This will be expanded to include 3rd party apps that they create with partners instead of the current free for all. It will likely have consumer, Small Business, and Enterprise tiers but it will be on sub for all access.

Hostile developers won’t have access to the platform with the latest and greatest Apple Tech because won’t participate. They can use the old App Store or a browser, but Apple won’t be investing or helping them develop new Apps. And since this won’t be a marketplace and is all you can eat, there only Apple with manage the customers payment information
I've posted similar thoughts.
 
The 27% commission on external payment options is the most nakedly ruthless thing I've seen Apple do in a very long time. It's so petty and gross, it can only have come from the combined minds of Phil Schiller and Eddy Cue.

I can't wait to read the internal emails discussing this option which will inevitably come out through pre-trial discovery over the next decade.
Expecting payment for a service is not gross.
 
THIS!

Alt-payments sound good but the second you need a refund or customer service..... good luck. Also good luck when the cheapo 3rd party payment processor they choose in order to save a buck gets hacked.
This is not America with crappy payment systems. Alloy Everyone uses the minimum safety of VISA and MASTERCARD with online verification and/pin code
 
This is because the majority of the 30% was never about payment processing. Apple provides SDKs, tools, developer support (including tons of documentation, and much of WWDC content is free online as well), distribution infrastructure, etc. I've seen estimates that Apple breaks even anywhere between 10%-20% commission. In any case, they should also be allowed to make a profit on their platform as well.

Some of you guys really need to look into what other digital distribution platforms charge (the majority are at or around 30%) and even look at what traditional retail charges for shelf space.
Sure but Apple’s the one arguing about security.
 
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Developes hate those for a reason… I published several apps and yes they have been rejected several times, but mostly for good reasons, and for the benefit of the customers. Security isn’t just applicative. What about a time bomb app? What about an app which use private APIs to avoid system protections?
 
Sure but Apple’s the one arguing about security.
That's a separate argument from what they should be charging. The security argument is with regard to whether they should allow third-party payments at all (and personally, I don't think the security argument is necessarily a strong one).
 
This is because the majority of the 30% was never about payment processing. Apple provides SDKs, tools, developer support (including tons of documentation, and much of WWDC content is free online as well), distribution infrastructure, etc. I've seen estimates that Apple breaks even anywhere between 10%-20% commission. In any case, they should also be allowed to make a profit on their platform as well.

Some of you guys really need to look into what other digital distribution platforms charge (the majority are at or around 30%) and even look at what traditional retail charges for shelf space.
Nope, if you read apples development contracts they provide everything you need to develop apple for a 99$\year. Their commission is for providing the sale as well. Nothing apple have said support this lie.
 
Some of you guys think every app and website that isn’t distributed through the App Store is a scam just waiting to steal your credit card info.

Oh dear, how did we survive before our dear lord and Savior, Apple, showed us the right path??

?
Maybe you should go check you spam folder to see how many scammers are just waiting for a chance to get you on a fake App Store to buy a counterfeit app while stealing your credit card info or identity. Later you realize that app was spying you banking info and figured out how to empty your account. I know two non tech people I’ve worked with that only had android phones to access the internet. Both had their bank accounts drained and their paychecks snatched on paydays. Shutting the account for a new one didn’t help. They had to move to a credit union that was setup different and while they tried once again, they couldn’t get the money out.
 
So let them flipping charge for it directly.... charge an app developer for tools, for downloads, etc

Instead of making rules that some apps don't pay a single cent towards it, and others get nailed for what really appears to be "popular category walled garden tax" when Apple doesn't build anything that is being bought digitally

Because in the end, based on Apple's financials, we know this is almost pure profit. The amount Apple spends to keep the App Store going is piddly, and those tools, and those 3rd party apps, are what keeps Apple's actual products selling... which should be the priority. If you stop selling hardware, you lose everything else.
Right. All of those things mentioned apply to all the apps in the store. Yet mega companies like Facebook, Netflix, Amazon, Spotify pay nothing because they don’t use IAP. Also we know the BOM for an iPhone doesn’t come close to the retail price of the phone. Clearly when one buys a $1000 iPhone some of that is going towards software/App Store development and maintenance.
 
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