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Stupidity at its best, right? Typical apple fanboys answer. They don't know how business work.
Ah yes, “business”, where a government comes in with their goons, says “this is a nice place you got going here, sure be a shame if anything happened”.

Pretty sure that’s called an extortion racket.
 
Some of you guys think every app and website that isn’t distributed through the App Store is a scam just waiting to steal your credit card info.

Oh dear, how did we survive before our dear lord and Savior, Apple, showed us the right path??

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And what about all the apps on the App Store that sell non-digital goods. Is everyone buying something from Amazon, Target, Walmart, Panera, Uber etc. not safe because they’re not using Apple’s IAP?
 
Right. All of those things mentioned apply to all the apps in the store. Yet mega companies like Facebook, Netflix, Amazon, Spotify pay nothing because they don’t use IAP. Also we know the BOM for an iPhone doesn’t come close to the retail price of the phone. Clearly when one buys a $1000 iPhone some of that is going towards software/App Store development and maintenance.

ha!
Great point actually

Like too much of Western society, we have the biggest and wealthiest companies not even carrying any water at all.
 
That's a separate argument from what they should be charging. The security argument is with regard to whether they should allow third-party payments at all (and personally, I don't think the security argument is necessarily a strong one).
I’ve argued here before that Apple should split out payment processing/support from everything else. Or just limit everything else to game apps and admit they’re the ones subsidizing everyone else on the store.
 
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What I wish is that Apple loses nearly all their services money and has to actually focus on hardware. Want growth? Come up with a better product, don’t upsell me on crappy subscriptions I don’t want. Novel idea.
Not a novel idea. Others do it, Apple is more successful. That Apple is not a hardware company but a "the whole widget" company is why they are more successful than Dell or Microsoft, and why their products suck less.
 
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I’ve argued here before that Apple should split out payment processing/support from everything else. Or just limit everything else to game apps and admit they’re the ones subsidizing everyone else on the store.
Well if the Netherlands thing works out as currently proposed, maybe we will see the former across the board. I don’t think it’s necessarily bad like some people think.
 
Well, Tim Cook and the other upper lemmings are so arrogant, they will play the game till the end. Sadly, their bank accounts are full already and they don’t care for Apple nor for any of its employees. They rather kill Apple and get all unemployed than obey to laws, that’s how the Apple Mafia ticks inside.
I hope Tim Cook get sued at civil level someday.
********. Apple is free not to do business. Whether this would withstand court challenges and lawsuits and/or loss of revenue is another thing.

But apple is one company that can go up against draconian and socialist regulation.
 
I’ve argued here before that Apple should split out payment processing/support from everything else. Or just limit everything else to game apps and admit they’re the ones subsidizing everyone else on the store.

Sounds good to everyone -- other than Apple

Hmm..
I wonder why they don't want to talk actual numbers re: real costs of running store/providing APIs?
 
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Tell that to all the people who have bricked android phones by loading third party apps.

Go buy an android phone if you dont like the rules YOU signed up for when YOU bought an iphone. You knew it going in and now you want to complain.
If a bricked phone was the absolute WORST thing that could happen, fine, let ‘er rip. However, those that aren’t tech savvy (and some that are)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...stealing-seniors-including-my-mom/4834923001/
can be conned/swindled/coerced into downloading and installing an app by a malicious actor and they could lose thousands of dollars or more. There’s not even anything indicating that there’s a large number of folks that would even be interested in sideloading to start with. So, it’s effectively opening up all iOS users to a scam that’s currently nonexistent on iOS for practically no market benefit to Apple (as it’s not like people are so concerned about sideloading that they’re avoiding iPhones, especially in the US).
 
The 27% commission on external payment options is the most nakedly ruthless thing I've seen Apple do in a very long time. It's so petty and gross, it can only have come from the combined minds of Phil Schiller and Eddy Cue.

I can't wait to read the internal emails discussing this option which will inevitably come out through pre-trial discovery over the next decade.
How much do you think the platform that is the bases of your entire business is worth. It provides the tools, infrastructure, marketing, access to willing customers, and handles the customer support for you?

If you make less than a million dollars a year they are essentially investing half of their profit back into your business.

If you are a larger developer on a subscription model and provide a great experience that creates a long term customer, they will give you the same 15% after the first year. So the profit share is 85/15 instead of the standard 70/30.

Nothing is free. Most App Store developers would not exist if Apple didn’t create this model and opportunity. This is a push by big developers that don’t even fully support the platform and make less than 10% of their revenue to break it apart so they can either exploit or eliminate smaller developers so they can take their piece of the market for themselves.
 
Snark notwithstanding, I think you're correct. Some people have said "ok let them go to web apps instead." Not sure how someone can square that against the security argument. The better argument in favor of the IAP approach is definitely that payment processing and the customer service around it is typically more cumbersome to go alone than what Apple already provides. But I'm not entirely convinced that that's a good enough reason to say "no third party payments at all." I think there's value in having Apple handle that, but not every developer necessarily needs it.
With web apps it’s out of apples’ hands. No fee, no IAP, no approval process etc
 
My parents with nearly 80ys and zero computer knowledge, using their Android Phones since many years must be Jedis, because they never got scammed.
The old people I know with Android don’t get scammed because they use their phone like a dumb phone and don’t download stuff. Younger people have they phone borked and buy a new one.
 
What security?
You mean App Review, which most developers hate?

The real security comes from the design of the OS to begin with and has almost nothing to do with App Review.

App Review is mainly worried about enforcing Apple developer policies -- a huge thunk of those are about maintaining Apple's revenue lockdowns, not "security"
Lol, even with apple own internal numbers less than 3% if fraud and malware is less than 2% of App Store rejections
 
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Well if the Netherlands thing works out as currently proposed, maybe we will see the former across the board. I don’t think it’s necessarily bad like some people think.
I guess it would be if a small number of apps are subsidizing all the other apps on the store. The thing is when the App Store first launched Steve Jobs said that they didn’t expect it to be a profit center. Clearly that’s changed. If it needs to keep growing to satisfy Wall Street then Apple won’t change their business model unless forced to.
 
Sounds good to everyone -- other than Apple

Hmm..
I wonder why they don't want to talk actual numbers re: real costs of running store/providing APIs?
Because once they figured out how much money they were making from the App Store it no longer was to be a break-even service there to generate iPhone sales. Now it’s considered part of ‘services’ revenues and has to grow to satisfy Wall Street.
 
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