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Sucks to be in your position I guess, millions and millions of people are just fine and have been just fine before Apple…
How old are you? Did you use peecees before 2010? I remember. It sucked. More because of the antivirus than the malware.
 
In the security would you test, retest, and train. What Apple is doing is fostering a generation of people who are ignorant to internet security by blocking it behind their walls.
I am indirectly paying Apple for a service. I know that everything I purchased through the App Store, payments are safe. To my knowledge, there have been no publicized breaches of the App Store payment ecosystem.

Do you expect the average consumer to do penetration testing of the payment processor? Should I need to familiarize myself with the refund policies of 20 different App Stores?
 
Wouldn't it be great if countries protected the people from not only corporate overreach but also government overreach? Apple, do what they say or stop selling your products there. You have done worst things for a buck in China.
 
The whole premise of this action is suspicious from the get go. You have a dutch agency that carefully crafts a order within their laws to force Apple to give special privileges for dating apps payments when bought through the App Store instead of something like iDeal. The only recourse until this gets argued to a higher authority is ignore the ACM fines.

Here's a couple of interesting posts from a earlier article.

The dominant online payment system in the Netherlands is called iDeal. Every bank supports it (because the system belongs to the banks. Every online shop, everywhere were you need to make a online payment, you can pay with iDeal. The costs is not a percentage but a low €0,25 fee per transaction (large retailers even pay less). Except, Apple does not support iDeal and paying for a subscription now cost 15/30% through Apple Store. These dating apps are available on every platform, there is no exclusive only iPhone app for these dating services. Does it now makes sense.
iDeal transactions could technically be regarded as cash payments between customers and suppliers, to which the bank is no party and offers no insurance. This means that iDeal payments cannot be reversed when, for example, a webshop fails to deliver. If a user suspects fraud, their only option to get paid money back, is to make a case with their bank, in which the burden of proof lies with the customer and results are unsure. For purchases from untrusted suppliers, other methods of payment can have benefits.

In Comparison the App Store allows subscriptions to be cancelled through the App Store without closing the account. Customers can request a refunds for a App Store purchase. Seems like the ACM is just trying to close a loop hole in their own payment scheme.
 
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Maybe you should go check you spam folder to see how many scammers are just waiting for a chance to get you on a fake App Store to buy a counterfeit app while stealing your credit card info or identity. Later you realize that app was spying you banking info and figured out how to empty your account. I know two non tech people I’ve worked with that only had android phones to access the internet. Both had their bank accounts drained and their paychecks snatched on paydays. Shutting the account for a new one didn’t help. They had to move to a credit union that was setup different and while they tried once again, they couldn’t get the money out.
Blah blah ?
 
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And let's not forget that "sideload" is just a scary sounding rebranding of "installing software"

It's not some nefarious, dangerous, illicit or "hacky" thing to be doing.

The "load" is the installing part, and the "side" just means "alongside the iOS App distribution monopoly of Apple"
Sideloading means apple can no longer protect users from nefarious actors. All Apps would have to be allowed without their input and from any source, even all the fake App Stores that look real that will definitely show up.

Users are also exposed to fraud from legitimate companies that don’t have the know how or resources to mitigate cyber threats. Apple has 20 Million active developers as of today. If just 1% of them included payment links and were either bad actors or just incompetent, that’s 200,000 dangerous links that wouldn’t have been a problem before. And a problem I didn’t ask for when I spent thousands of dollars for devices that I knew were safer than Android.

Please explain how 3 billionaire competitor companies can force Apple to strip the safety from my purchases.

Two of which the Chinese company Tencent owns a significant share of.
 
They are called jurisdictions and they have laws -- laws that multinational corporations must abide in order to operate in those jurisdictions

And what Apple does is help developers navigate the simplest things like how to pay taxes in each of those jurisdictions. From what I have read on other threads, there are services out there that do that as well. That is just one of the services you get for that 27%.
 
Wouldn't it be great if countries protected the people from not only corporate overreach but also government overreach? Apple, do what they say or stop selling your products there. You have done worst things for a buck in China.

"China" is something Apple really would rather we not think about, let alone talk about.

Not only are they essential to make everything for low wages (relatively speaking), but it's also a market they basically have to be in now (and forever) given its size and growth.
 
And what Apple does is help developers navigate the simplest things like how to pay taxes in each of those jurisdictions. From what I have read on other threads, there are services out there that do that as well. That is just one of the services you get for that 27%.

Apple should spell it all out and put numbers/values on everything

(they won't - they don't want to - they are making BANK off the current "arrangement")
 
The old people I know with Android don’t get scammed because they use their phone like a dumb phone and don’t download stuff. Younger people have they phone borked and buy a new one.
People aren’t buying new phones over software screwing up, get real…
 
So let them flipping charge for it directly.... charge an app developer for tools, for downloads, etc
The current system exists mainly because most people/companies HATE being nickel and dime’d. Using simple arithmetic, one can predict in a given year how much is paid to Apple. If an app becomes wildly successful, it’s still a simple function, no hidden “overage fees” to contend with, no massive increases in what you pay for support, just one well publicized additional fee if you go over $1 million a year.

Then again, that’s just the vast majority of people/companies. There will always be people/companies doing business with Apple (and a HUGE number of folks that are NOT doing business with Apple) that won’t like it.
 
Sideloading means apple can no longer protect users from nefarious actors. All Apps would have to be allowed without their input and from any source, even all the fake App Stores that look real that will definitely show up.

Users are also exposed to fraud from legitimate companies that don’t have the know how or resources to mitigate cyber threats. Apple has 20 Million active developers as of today. If just 1% of them included payment links and were either bad actors or just incompetent, that’s 200,000 dangerous links that wouldn’t have been a problem before. And a problem I didn’t ask for when I spent thousands of dollars for devices that I knew were safer than Android.

Please explain how 3 billionaire competitor companies can force Apple to strip the safety from my purchases.

Two of which the Chinese company Tencent owns a significant share of.

You're confused about the definitions and actual risks here.
I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude.

It'd be best if you read some of the existing thread posts to understand more definitionally what are actually really the issues and concerns at hand here.

It's not security - it's revenue lock down for Apple.
 
Sideloading means apple can no longer protect users from nefarious actors. All Apps would have to be allowed without their input and from any source, even all the fake App Stores that look real that will definitely show up.

Users are also exposed to fraud from legitimate companies that don’t have the know how or resources to mitigate cyber threats. Apple has 20 Million active developers as of today. If just 1% of them included payment links and were either bad actors or just incompetent, that’s 200,000 dangerous links that wouldn’t have been a problem before. And a problem I didn’t ask for when I spent thousands of dollars for devices that I knew were safer than Android.

Please explain how 3 billionaire competitor companies can force Apple to strip the safety from my purchases.

Two of which the Chinese company Tencent owns a significant share of.
? Not again these “security through obscurity” arguments. Apple does not protect, they gatekeep solely for profit purposes.
 
These sorts of rules will only incentivize more closed, locked down products. It's clear that Steve was right in the beginning. The App Store was profitable for many years, but those days are coming to a close. It's going to be a race to the bottom from here, and Apple doesn't play that game. Fortunately for Apple, they still have plenty of options that will provide a good revenue stream. Maybe not as lucrative as the current system, but should be enough until the next big thing.
 
Some of you guys think every app and website that isn’t distributed through the App Store is a scam just waiting to steal your credit card info.
No, BUT there are MORE apps and website scams in action today outside the App Store. Wanting a change to Apple’s deployment/installation rules is essentially a desire to have these malicious apps and scams available on iOS as soon as possible to affect as many iOS users as possible. Which, I’ll admit, is certainly an opinion.
 
I like how you can’t even point to the specific part of the developer agreement that you’re referring to. The developer agreement doesn’t bind Apple to a particular method of covering their costs, anyway. Silly argument.
Oops sorry me wrong link here you have it easy and clear
Litteraly from the horses mouth.

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Really what this situation calls for is the usual Apple fragmentation

We obviously need developer "tiers"

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Sure, but if you’re arguing for the security of the IAP system, it kinda kills your argument to flip and tell them to make web apps instead. That’s my point. I think the two ideas are at odds.
Yeah, but you are shifting the burden of the security to the web developer. True apple won’t receive any IAP, but the. It’s no longer an app on the App Store.
 
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