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Apple Fined Another 5 Million Euros by Dutch Competition Regulator Over Dating App Payment Requirements
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What are you talking about? You can pay with VISA and Mastercard in the App Store.
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Hmm this very common in every eu nation to have an easy way to transfer money to a business or person. And I can guarantee it will not go apples way if it goes to a higher court. Essentially the Supreme Court of the European Union. They would immediately rule this to for every app and in every EU state to preserve the single market
Hey should apple do something not required by law? Maybe the real way to change apple is for Macrumors posters to be elected to the board of directors. Just musing out loud.
BOM just says “this is how much we think each of the parts costs”. It says nothing about “what R&D effort went into the the design, test, iteration, prototyping and eventual production” OR “how all these things ended up in the same building on the assembly line together in order to be produced (including the design of the parts that will be used to put the parts together)” OR “how those things are tested, boxed, packed, shipped, and delivered to destinations, either to be sold or sold directly” OR any one of the other myriad things that are taken into account when creating physical devices (like dealing with improperly spec’d or failed parts post assembly, handling returns for losses damages during shipping, etc.).
Sure thing, they first want to make sure everyone shifts over to ApplePay, then scale up the AppleCard availability to U.S.+ , then slowly kill VISA and Mastercard by enforcing anticompetitive pressure on them.
Embrace - Extend - Extinguish
The cheapest option would be to pull their phones out of the Netherlands. What they (the Netherlands) do not seem to understand is that Apple brings in business, thus the country is to receive taxes on said business, thus, both parties win.
World domination is the goal
A company like Apple will take every inch of rope society and governments give to it
Then they hang us all with said rope...
The problem there is that it would be expected that someone elected to the board knows at least a “little” bit about how business works, maybe even have some experience running their own. That would exclude a bunch of folks
“Everything we do should be free” wouldn’t even be allowed by the SEC because of rules forbidding certain actions by publicly traded companies.
On what intellectual level is leaving a market the move here? This is the kind of idiotic suggestion that, if Tim Cook ever actually uttered out loud, would have his leadership stripped from the Apple Board.
If you ever run a company please let us, here on the Forum know which one, so that we can adjust our portfolios accordingly.
EU would be next to apple and help the extinguish Visa and MasterCard. That is why every eu nation have payment system independent from them
Thanks for the rebuttal. That really added to the conversation. Given that you couldn't actually come up with anything to say about what I said...I could assume that I had a point...
Resorting to name-calling kind of suggests you've got nothing else.
The best thing that can happen to Apple long-term is if that entire "services" revenue implodes. The incentives of Apple the digital services provider are on a collision course with that of Apple, maker of premium hardware. Why the hell am I getting ads for Apple Arcade on the expensive device I paid for?? It's disgraceful that Apple is doing this.
Apple is supposed to focus on premium hardware, differentiated by easy to use software that makes for a great user experience. They are supposed to be focused, and only contribute in sectors where they can make a great product.
Is Apple Music a great differentiated product? Is Apple TV+? Apple Arcade? Apple Podcasts+ or whatever they call it?
They're all mediocre at best. (You know what services Apple makes that are great? iMessage and FaceTime. And they're free.) Apple's hardware devision is doing great now (M1) but long term there is going to be tremendous pressure to sacrifice 35% margins on capital intensive hardware for 70% margins on zero marginal cost software. Who knows who will be CEO at that time and how they will respond to Wall Street's pressure. If the regulators end up taking away the free money printer Apple has become addicted to (IAP, App Store, bundling their subscriptions), they'll have saved Apple from themselves.
First, that text isn't even a contract. Second, that literally does not bind Apple to how they allocate their funds internally. At all. Thinking that this means that all that is exclusively supported via an access fee (which is what the $99/yr is) is some really weird, convoluted logic. Apple themselves have admitted that paid apps subsidize free apps, so if the sales commission was pure profit as some here think, and Apple was forced to get rid of it entirely, one of two things would end up happening; Apple would give up on the App Store (unlikely), or (more likely) that fee would increase in price several-fold. Which unfortunately would likely squeeze out a lot of developers that primarily do free apps. I've already seen Safari extension devs complain about paying $99/yr just to publish free extensions (and I don't blame them). Imagine if sales commission went away and devs suddenly had to pay, I dunno, just spitballing, but maybe $499/yr for dev program access? There'd definitely be attrition there.Oops sorry me wrong link here you have it easy and clear
Litteraly from the horses mouth.
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Oh dating apps. Here we go. Absolute scum of the earth. Worse than gambling / betting and rip off game subscriptions.
They NEED to have payments taken away from them.
They NEED to have payments taken away from them.
You mean, when he said that Apple would run the App Store not for profit, but to break even?
I understand that. I think we're talking past each other here. If third party payments in apps are a security problem, and that's why we shouldn't have them, then web apps equally have that issue. Some folks have said "if they don't like it, then they can make web apps." I'm just not seeing how that solves the security problem at all though. If your argument is from an "Apple can just wash their hands of it by saying our in-app payments or web apps" type of perspective, then I understand your point though.
That third-parties who want to be on the iPhone should use web apps. They should have never opened up the platform for native apps.
No way, this clashes with my core ethics. There are things i would never do for money e.g. murdering, kidnapping, slavery, work for Apple, etc.
Oh god no. That would have been a complete steaming turd.
Imagine having to carry around a pocket full of Electron apps with the associated bloated whale attached to each one.
> For example, developers must submit an entitlement request form on Apple's website, and the entitlement can only be used with a new app binary distributed solely on the App Store in the Netherlands.
Can someone explain to me why this one is a problem?
Apple needs to identify the qualifying apps, easiest thing is for apps to ask for it. As with all other secure/limited functions, it is granted via an entitlement marker on the app.
Maybe it is the last part? Like they have to make two builds, one with the entitlement only for NL and the other that will be in the other app stores. I guess that is a point but is the alternative that apple signs the entitlement but then somehow has to match the country of the AppleId to decide if it activates anything? Long-term having something like geo-fenced values/effective entitlements that only work based either on current location or apple id country probably makes the most technical sense from a scalability/flexibility policy, but I would guess that infrastructure just doesn't exist right now.
Can someone explain to me why this one is a problem?
Apple needs to identify the qualifying apps, easiest thing is for apps to ask for it. As with all other secure/limited functions, it is granted via an entitlement marker on the app.
Maybe it is the last part? Like they have to make two builds, one with the entitlement only for NL and the other that will be in the other app stores. I guess that is a point but is the alternative that apple signs the entitlement but then somehow has to match the country of the AppleId to decide if it activates anything? Long-term having something like geo-fenced values/effective entitlements that only work based either on current location or apple id country probably makes the most technical sense from a scalability/flexibility policy, but I would guess that infrastructure just doesn't exist right now.
It’s not apples issue going forward…they are not in control of the narrative.
Or just do it like with macOS, they have all setup and working already.
There is no need for new concepts.