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Apple Gearing Up for Launch of Vision Pro Developer Kits
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You ever seen a shampoo commercial? Women want to have hair to have volume. They don't want it compressed with a headband because it leaves a mark.
Yes, seriously. The utility of a mobile phone was obvious. The issue was only the form of the device. Mobile phone systems had been tried in vehicles and were under development for years before mass consumer products were available. The demand for mobile phones exploded WAY before Apple got in the game because the pent up demand for mobile communication was vast.
Furthermore, remember: iPhone is a COMPUTER. They call it a phone but we all know that “phone” is about the last thing people actually use it for.
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I have long hair. It’s a constant effort to keep it from looking crazy. And I’m a man. My partner? She’s even more sensitive to things that can mess up her hair.
So yeah, it’s a big issue. Just one of many very big and serious barriers to the AVP achieving anything even close to wide spread adoption. As I’ve said before: Apple wants and needs your MOM to buy one of these. But the reality is that your mom is NEVER going to buy one.
Rationalization. Ask some women what they think about slapping on a pair of goggles after doing their hair.
That isn’t correct. As demoed the Vision Pro acts as a second monitor for a Mac. Not “as many monitors as you want to make.” A second monitor for a Mac. One. Watch the demos again.
Because the device doesn’t run MacOS. It runs a variation of iOS. So it’s going to be inside Apple’s walled garden and it won’t be running desktop apps.
I assume she is a small girl, hence it looks big on her. But people seems to forget that the actual device is just the front glass. That white light seal that looks huge is empty inside so that your eyes are not too close to the lens. And yes, no battery is hidden. You need that space for focal point. You will know it is necessary if you ever use VR headset before.
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I’m sure that’s true, but it’s all recent history. 🤷
Over 30 years ago, before any cell phones, and I go back another 33 years before that.
You said nobody cared, I said I did, even back then. I'm absolutely positive I wasn't the only one either. It was a product some of us waited until our tech was good enough to buy.
Lot of naysayers on this thread. There are still so many unknowns about the Vision Pro. Heck, many of the features aren’t finalized, and I’m sure there are various things being worked on that weren’t in the introduction to the product/platform.
Thing is, go read any review by someone that was able to have a real demo of the product. It is not uncommon to hear that the device is almost “magical” and the reviewers even admit that is silly to say, but the closest thing they can use to describe the experience. That is exciting to me, but I know I’ll never understand exactly how until I can try one for myself.
I don’t understand why people are thinking Apple is only going to be successful with this if it reaches iPhone-level adoption. This will probably be something more akin to the Mac Pro users or Mac Studio users numbers (not initially though) due to cost. I also feel that walking around will not be that common and it will be more similar to replacing your workstation. I don’t expect to see these in public much unless it is by first class passengers on a plane.
Just using these to replace a monitor setup makes these reasonably affordable. Price is like two Studio displays or a fraction of a Pro Display XDR. Lot of trade offs or course, but it could be amazing to have huge AR windows all over the room you are in. Time will tell, but I’m optimistic based on what few first-hand experience reviews have mentioned.
Thing is, go read any review by someone that was able to have a real demo of the product. It is not uncommon to hear that the device is almost “magical” and the reviewers even admit that is silly to say, but the closest thing they can use to describe the experience. That is exciting to me, but I know I’ll never understand exactly how until I can try one for myself.
I don’t understand why people are thinking Apple is only going to be successful with this if it reaches iPhone-level adoption. This will probably be something more akin to the Mac Pro users or Mac Studio users numbers (not initially though) due to cost. I also feel that walking around will not be that common and it will be more similar to replacing your workstation. I don’t expect to see these in public much unless it is by first class passengers on a plane.
Just using these to replace a monitor setup makes these reasonably affordable. Price is like two Studio displays or a fraction of a Pro Display XDR. Lot of trade offs or course, but it could be amazing to have huge AR windows all over the room you are in. Time will tell, but I’m optimistic based on what few first-hand experience reviews have mentioned.
I think a lot of people on this forum are going to have to eat two slices of bread diagonally cut with an excrement filling when this thing comes out and is another huge success for Apple.
They definitely will, but I suspect the "next gen" will be sometime in 2026 (For the Vision Pro.) The cheaper/more consumer vision will likely be smaller/lighter and released in 2025.
There is just so much tech packed into the Vision Pro, super high-res OLED displays, a ton of camera sensors. Lidar sensors, two SOCs, a cooling fan, the external lenticular display, the internal optics, eye tracking, etc.
My real question is what gets cut for the cheaper model. The displays are critical (You can't have crappy passthrough as then you won't want to use it - see Meta Quest Pro.) That means cameras are also critical. The external display is critical if Apple wants people to be able to use this around other people. The processors could be lessened I guess (And maybe they just release with an old gen M2, when it is two years old.) Eye tracking/hand tracking are needed to not have multiple different interface modes.
I have no interest in doing work with it on, but having an immersive cinema experience that blocks out the world while you're watching a movie? Sign me up!
You’re welcome to your opinion but it’s a major mistake to ignore the many obvious and serious issues with the device’s path to success.
A company the size of Apple doesn’t get into a market that it thinks can only support very low volume sales. Furthermore if rumors are true Apple is invested in this thing to the tune of nearly a billion dollars.
So yes, they DO need it to be wildly successful. Listen to what they say about it: the next major paradigm shift in computing. That isn’t how you talk about a low volume product you’re not expecting to sell a lot of.
Oh, and you better go look at how many Mac Pros and Mac Studios Apple sells every year. These aren’t niche products. Apple moves millions and millions of them every quarter.
I see a lot of people claim this will be commonplace but then give gaming or enterprise specific uses for the device. I have no doubt it will be a great niche product but what real reason does the average person have to strap this thing to their face over just looking on their phone or laptop? No matter how light they make it, you still have to put this thing on your head to use it and no one one else can share what you are viewing. It's extremely limiting in that manner.
Linus from TechTips gave a great analogy. He said he loves the iPad and says it's a far better way to consume media than the iPhone but the reason he doesn't use one is because he doesn't always have it on him. It's easier to just pull the phone out of your pocket then to go into another room to find your iPad. Just like a lot of us hobbyists by nice cameras, but in the end we wind up using our phones for most of our photos bc its just right there and it's easier.
I don't think Apple or any other VR/AR headset builder have ever truly factored in the sheer laziness of people lol. If it's not right there next to us, we just won't use it. That will always be the main limitation of this device.
If you want the masses to use this device you need to give them a truly compelling reason to pull this device out and use it. I haven't seen that yet from anyone, including Apple.
The fundamental question is whether people love their iPhones so much that they want to put their whole head inside one.
I’m pretty confident that the answer to that question is “no” for the vast majority of people.
Well the OG iPhone and the iPad had a new design and got updated just after 1 year of release. The Apple Watch battery was horrible on the 1st model and got much better on the next one. I think they have to lock down the design very early and are currently working on the new design.
I think before releasing a "cheaper model" they could streamline this one a little and lower the price a bit even next year. Like maybe make it slightly smaller and perhaps with a small built-in battery and use the external as optional for longer use. Or even if Apple doesn't lower the price they could still introduce changes so it's cheaper to produce and keep higher profit.
But 30 years ago were those products a “must have” for all phone users, or were they more edge cases for people willing to pay for them?
I misspoke, you can have as many windows open (that appear to be their own monitors) and adding 1 Mac monitor isn’t a big deal since the Vision Pro is a spacial computer (Mac on your face). If what’s bothering you is Apple’s walled garden that’s fair, you don’t like it. Most Apple users buy Apple products because they like Apple’s walled garden. Besides, why complain about an iOS product that allows 1 screen from your Mac (a non walled garden) to run on a 1st generation product? I would think you’d be thrilled with that… 👍🏻
How is that relevant? As I stated before, the utility of a mobile phone was NEVER in question. People were willing to invest in expensive car phones and then in briefcase cell phones. Once the handsets got small and cheap enough they took off like lightning.
But the same context doesn’t exist for the Vision Pro. The utility of the device is not obvious. There is no inherent demand for the things it offers. No one had to convince consumers that having a wireless mobile phone was cool and useful.
No, that isn’t accurate. You’re conflating iOS devices with MacOS devices. There’s a VAST difference between the two. The Vision Pro is NOT a Mac. It’s closer to an iPad. And no, Mac users are not rushing to be enclosed in the Apple walled garden.
