Apple Gearing Up for Launch of Vision Pro Developer Kits

[SFjohn]

No, that isn’t accurate. You’re conflating iOS devices with MacOS devices. There’s a VAST difference between the two. The Vision Pro is NOT a Mac. It’s closer to an iPad. And no, Mac users are not rushing to be enclosed in the Apple walled garden.

All Apple hardware devices are computing devices, if that’s conflating so be it, it’s also fact. Vast differences? I guess, but that’s completely subjective. If you want to look at the difference between Apple’s Walled Garden hardware, and hardware that’s not, just look at how much income Apple derives from each. Apple earns ~10% of its annual revenue from Macs, and ~90% of its revenue from its Walled Garden hardware & software products. I believe Apple’s Walled Garden Products are what most people prefer and choose to purchase from Apple. I know that’s true for me, and for me the Walled Garden is one of Apple’s best features.

 

[Surf Monkey]

All Apple hardware devices are computing devices, if that’s conflating so be it, it’s also fact. Vast differences? I guess, but that’s completely subjective. If you want to look at the difference between Apple’s Walled Garden hardware, and hardware that’s not, just look at how much income Apple derives from each. Apple earns ~10% of its annual revenue from Macs, and ~90% of its revenue from its Walled Garden hardware & software products. I believe Apple’s Walled Garden Products are what most people prefer and choose to purchase from Apple. I know that’s true for me, and for me the Walled Garden is one of Apple’s best features.

It isn’t subjective at all. MacOS is fundamentally different from iOS. MacOS is a full fledged desktop OS based on Linux.

iOS vs Mac OS X | What are the differences?

iOS - A mobile operating system by Apple. Mac OS X - A desktop operating system for Macintosh computers.

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[kkee]

I think a lot of people on this forum are going to have to eat two slices of bread diagonally cut with an excrement filling when this thing comes out and is another huge success for Apple.

Yeah, I can nominate surf_monkey

Just kidding, he likes Vision Pro, he just doesn't like to admit it.

 

[SFjohn]

It isn’t subjective at all. MacOS is fundamentally different from iOS. MacOS is a full fledged desktop OS based on Linux.

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They have more in common than what is different… and as far as the word “vast” goes, it’s vastly subjective. Differences? Definitely!

macOS vs iOS & iPadOS

The new versions of macOS, iPadOS and iOS are more alike than ever, but how similar are macOS and iOS and will they ever merge?

www.macworld.com

 

[bobcomer]

But 30 years ago were those products a “must have” for all phone users, or were they more edge cases for people willing to pay for them?

It was the start of that.

 

[SFjohn]

It was the start of that.

Absolutely, and Vision Pro is the start of something new, but still an extension of what we already use… 👍🏻

 

[Surf Monkey]

Yeah, I can nominate surf_monkey

Just kidding, he likes Vision Pro, he just doesn't like to admit it.

I neither like nor dislike it. I’m just pointing out some GLARING issues with it that the faithful seem to want to ignore.

 

[Surf Monkey]

They have more in common than what is different… and as far as the word “vast” goes, it’s vastly subjective. Differences? Definitely!

macOS vs iOS & iPadOS

The new versions of macOS, iPadOS and iOS are more alike than ever, but how similar are macOS and iOS and will they ever merge?

www.macworld.com

You’re wrong. iPadOS isn’t desktop class. iOS is not desktop class. VisionOS is not desktop class. The fact that you can load basically any compatible software on a Mac makes the difference massive. All you can load on your iPhone are Apple approved apps that Apple gets a cut of the sales on. But feel free to examine all the things a desktop can do versus an iPad. Conflating the two is a mistake. VisionOS won’t be running MacOS apps.

 

[Surf Monkey]

It was the start of that.

It’s also not really a valid example since the whole concept of “must have products” is a phenomenon of the late 20th century, driven largely by the endless upgrade cycle invented by Silicon Valley.

 

[bobcomer]

Absolutely, and Vision Pro is the start of something new, but still an extension of what we already use… 👍🏻

No, it's not an extension of something we already use, or at least a better way of doing anything.

It's not a better way of communicating, not a better way of computing, not really even a better way of gaming when you count the drawbacks. Heavy, short battery life, sweat inducing, isolating, and just plain uncomfortable. and that doesn't even count the troubles I would have with it and my eyes and hands.

I don't even wear my glasses unless I absolutely have to. (for driving). I have multiple monitors here, multiple computers, keyboard, mouse, that's all I need for most of my job, and all without something hanging off my face.

I see some potential for the disabled, but it's a LONG way off.

But whatever, we shall see what we shall see. Have fun with it, and I'll probably never own one.

 

[SFjohn]

You’re wrong. iPadOS isn’t desktop class. iOS is not desktop class. VisionOS is not desktop class. The fact that you can load basically any compatible software on a Mac makes the difference massive. All you can load on your iPhone are Apple approved apps that Apple gets a cut of the sales on. But feel free to examine all the things a desktop can do versus an iPad. Conflating the two is a mistake. VisionOS won’t be running MacOS apps.

iPad OS is my primary workhorse, I use it more than any other Apple device. I‘m not denigrating the Mac, I have a laptop to do laptop things, but I might use that for an hour every week. I spend 6 to 7 hours a day on my iPad. Don’t know why you’re so jazzed about “desktop class Mac perfection” and why so oblivious to the ways Vision Pro will bring new experiences to users. You don’t want a Vision Pro? Cool, don’t buy one. Use what you need (and can afford) for what you want to do. If the Mac is everything to you, cool. I’m excited for the Vision Pro.

 

[SFjohn]

No, it's not an extension of something we already use, or at least a better way of doing anything.

It's not a better way of communicating, not a better way of computing, not really even a better way of gaming when you count the drawbacks. Heavy, short battery life, sweat inducing, isolating, and just plain uncomfortable. and that doesn't even count the troubles I would have with it and my eyes and hands.

I don't even wear my glasses unless I absolutely have to. (for driving). I have multiple monitors here, multiple computers, keyboard, mouse, that's all I need for most of my job, and all without something hanging off my face.

I see some potential for the disabled, but it's a LONG way off.

But whatever, we shall see what we shall see. Have fun with it, and I'll probably never own one.

We will see and thanks, I’m sure I’ll have fun with it. It’s perfectly fine not to own one. I’m not suggesting people should buy them because I want Apple to be able to make enough for me to buy 2! 😉

 

[Surf Monkey]

iPad OS is my primary workhorse, I use it more than any other Apple device.

Okay. But you understand that that’s an anecdote, right? For some people iPad is enough but for the vast majority of people doing serious work on a Mac? No. iPad can’t do it. One example: I’m a designer. I use the Adobe creative suite. None of those apps will run on an iPad. Yes, Adobe has versions that run on iPad but they’re stripped down so much that they’re not operable in a mission critical scenario.

The Mac and iPhone/iPad are not the same thing and are not interchangeable.

I‘m not denigrating the Mac, I have a laptop to do laptop things, but I might use that for an hour every week. I spend 6 to 7 hours a day on my iPad.

Because iPad is for running a Web browser. It’s a media consumption device, not a media creation device. Steve Jobs wanted to call it Safari Pad because the “killer app” for iPad is very obviously Safari.

Don’t know why you’re so jazzed about “desktop class Mac perfection”

I didn’t say anything about perfection. What happened is that you tried to suggest that Vision Pro is basically the best Macintosh Apple has ever built. But it isn’t. It’s maybe the best iPad Apple has ever built, assuming anyone actually wants to wear one on their faces for hours and hours on end.

and why so oblivious to the ways Vision Pro will bring new experiences to users.

What new experiences? Judging by the demos there’s nothing new in terms of function and experience between Vision Pro and the other various VR platforms that already exist.

You don’t want a Vision Pro? Cool, don’t buy one. Use what you need (and can afford) for what you want to do. If the Mac is everything to you, cool. I’m excited for the Vision Pro.

It isn’t about what I want or don’t want. It’s about facing the issues with the product in a realistic way.

 

[Dicere]

Immersive movies. Paging James Cameron. Education will be revolutionised. Very hard to be bored in a classroom when you and your fellow students are walking through Pompeii minutes before the volcano blew. You will remember the dates quite permanently when you hear the first explosion and watch your classmates (AR clad in period attire) and others flinch. Huge possibilities. Ten years from now, where will we be? I remember wandering around work with the first iPhone (3G, first available in Australia), telling people how amazing it was. This makes me feel the same.

 

[SFjohn]

Okay. But you understand that that’s an anecdote, right? For some people iPad is enough but for the vast majority of people doing serious work on a Mac? No. iPad can’t do it. One example: I’m a designer. I use the Adobe creative suite. None of those apps will run on an iPad. Yes, Adobe has versions that run on iPad but they’re stripped down so much that they’re not operable in a mission critical scenario.

The Mac and iPhone/iPad are not the same thing and are not interchangeable.



Because iPad is for running a Web browser. It’s a media consumption device, not a media creation device. Steve Jobs wanted to call it Safari Pad because the “killer app” for iPad is very obviously Safari.



I didn’t say anything about perfection. What happened is that you tried to suggest that Vision Pro is basically the best Macintosh Apple has ever built. But it isn’t. It’s maybe the best iPad Apple has ever built, assuming anyone actually wants to wear one on their faces for hours and hours on end.



What new experiences? Judging by the demos there’s nothing new in terms of function and experience between Vision Pro and the other various VR platforms that already exist.


It isn’t about what I want or don’t want. It’s about facing the issues with the product in a realistic way.

It’s not my problem if you’re unable or unwilling to entertain the amazing experience Apple Vision will provide.

 

[Surf Monkey]

It’s not my problem if you’re unable or unwilling to entertain the amazing experience Apple Vision will provide.

That’s a misinterpretation of what I said.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Immersive movies. Paging James Cameron. Education will be revolutionised. Very hard to be bored in a classroom when you and your fellow students are walking through Pompeii minutes before the volcano blew. You will remember the dates quite permanently when you hear the first explosion and watch your classmates (AR clad in period attire) and others flinch. Huge possibilities. Ten years from now, where will we be? I remember wandering around work with the first iPhone (3G, first available in Australia), telling people how amazing it was. This makes me feel the same.

What school is going to shell out thousands of dollars per student for a product that doesn’t really offer much that a book can’t?

 

[nick42983]

Rationalization. Ask some women what they think about slapping on a pair of goggles after doing their hair.

Do women put their hair up when they wear ski/snowboard goggles? No. They even put a hat/helmet/beanie on their head too. They understand that certain activities will result in their hair being less than perfect afterwards. The potential for messing up their hair being a factor in buying a Vision Pro or not is a pretty sexist take too.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Do women put their hair up when they wear ski/snowboard goggles? No. They even put a hat/helmet/beanie on their head too. They understand that certain activities will result in their hair being less than perfect afterwards. The potential for messing up their hair being a factor in buying a Vision Pro or not is a pretty sexist take too.

Kind of a remarkable set of statements to make. I wonder if there are any actual women here? Doesn’t seem like it.

And no, it isn’t sexist. Shame on you for leveling that charge. I CLEARLY said that I HAVE LONG HAIR. Over a foot long. So I’m not just putting women on blast. I’m speaking from personal experience and the basically universal truth that hats and goggles etc. mess up people’s hair. And if you don’t think people care about their hair? I don’t know what to tell you because they absolutely do.

 

[Dicere]

What school is going to shell out thousands of dollars per student for a product that doesn’t really offer much that a book can’t?

I worked in the most expensive school in my country. I realise I’m replying to a suspended account but, trust me, high end schools will find a way. And eventually the tech becomes cheaper and it comes down to all students. That’s been the way of technology since computer inception.

 

[Dicere]

Kind of a remarkable set of statements to make. I wonder if there are any actual women here? Doesn’t seem like it.

And no, it isn’t sexist. Shame on you for leveling that charge. I CLEARLY said that I HAVE LONG HAIR. Over a foot long. So I’m not just putting women on blast. I’m speaking from personal experience and the basically universal truth that hats and goggles etc. mess up people’s hair. And if you don’t think people care about their hair? I don’t know what to tell you because they absolutely do.

I am a woman with hair. I think you care about your hair more than I care about mine. Bad hair day = French twist which I can do or redo in less than two minutes. For all the women I know our activities are not curtailed by fear of hair care.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I am a woman with hair. I think you care about your hair more than I care about mine. Bad hair day = French twist which I can do or redo in less than two minutes. For all the women I know our activities are not curtailed by fear of hair care.

My hair is equally long. But let’s not pretend that messed up hair isn’t a serious issue. It comes up very consistently in regard to VR equipment.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I worked in the most expensive school in my country. I realise I’m replying to a suspended account but, trust me, high end schools will find a way. And eventually the tech becomes cheaper and it comes down to all students. That’s been the way of technology since computer inception.

Frankly, I’m not especially concerned about “high end” schools. To me that says “private school.” I’m talking about public schools. You know, the place where something like this might actually be useful if it weren’t so drastically outside of the kinds of budgets most school districts have to work with.