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Proctor and Gamble is no Apple or Google.

1) Learn how to spell Procter and Gamble

2) P&G products are in practically every house in North America and in a majority of the world. More people use P&G products than Apple or Google. Probably combined.
 
Do they?

In the UK (at least) they are paid £9.15 ($14.41) per hour which for retail is pretty good (it's the living wage).

Do they pay less in the US?


I worked for applestore in NYC in 2006/2007 and we were well taken care of, i was making over 14 an hour (can't remember exactly) but they also gave us iPhones that year for xmas, (i think that was first or second edition of iPhone, i honestly can not remember, it was amazing, not to mention we were all given the opportunity to buy into their stock program, so say i had them hold 10% of my paycheck to go towards apples's stock, they also match that 10%, so id really be getting 20% of my paycheck being put towards stock, but on;y 10% being deducted, very well worth it.. They actually treat their employees very well over here. Also, i got a metro card so i could ride the bus or subways to and from work for free... and we had our own website of deals and promotions to shop from from every supplier within the store and more, so sometimes you'd find really nice deals... However, the one thing i didn't like was the discount employees got on actual devices and what not, such as the iPhone or iMac, i believe it was 10% off, possibly only 5%, again i can't remember but i do know i was disappointed on how small a discount it was... But overall, my experience while working for  was one of the better work experiences in my life... Great atmosphere, great people, great products, great support... to this day i support  big time just because how great they treated me while working there... this is all firsthand experience, i am not BS'ing one bit... so if you are young and want to be treated fair and love going to work, thats a great position, oh and they also offer to pay for you to take courses or what not if you want to become a Genius.... lots of benefits, I'm sure the list goes on and on.... and remember this is 2006-2007...
 
Wow you're acting like an entitled little brat. I am 100% certain that those employees are compensated well over 10k per year with a VERY competitive salary package, stock options plans, 401k and other retirement plans, etc. It is a Xmas gift as a little extra, it's not meant to be part if their compensation package, nor should it be expected to be. What a joke of a post this is.


Tell you the truth Apple compassion is on the low end of the spectrum. They are not well compensated in their respective fields.
As pointed out before there used to be a think called profit sharing in the past and employees generally got it as a bonus.
Over the past 20-30 years more and more is taken away from them and employees are not really given any thanks for their hard work for helping give companies record years. Instead it is lay off if it means they can get more profit.

I do not believe in bowing down and worshipping stock holders. Hell I am on the side that believe stock holder worship by clearly many on these boards is the problem. It is the worship of the mega elite and the expense of everyone else.

Why should the employees not get 5-10% of the profit of the company as a bonus on top of their pay? It is a small cut as htey help the company a lot. It also builds a lot of good while for employees.

Image respecting your employees. Something that is lost these days. Company wonder why people switch jobs so often? It is because they stop respecting them a long long time ago. It is sad but company by in large demand complete loyalty from their employees but give none in return.
 
As said multiple time before in this thread there used to be a thing called profit sharing for all employees. It used to be normal in stead of the exceptions. You have an end goal of profit (saying 20% revenue) Anything above that you give 50% to the employees. Employees pushed up the profits higher they get a cut of the pie.

Shareholders happy their return is higher. Employees get a cut as well.

Now days it is all about screw employees lets give money to the top 1% and lets push wages down. Do not forget Apple is among the tech giants that got busted for doing it.

So as someone pointed out if Apple took 1 bil of their profit and split it among their employees it would of been 10k per employee. Now you can even base that cut based on salary. That is how my company does it. Profit sharing came out to be north of 20% payroll. Everyone got a 20% bonus.

Now stuff like that is a massive exception instead of the norm.
There are still profit sharing type of things out there for employees from various bonuses, stock incentives, actual profit sharing, etc. Perhaps not as widespread as it might have been before, but then again many things have changed over time and aren't like they've been before.

That said, most of that doesn't have anything to do with this type of small fun company holiday gift that's unrelated to any of that.
 
Apple Does this. They don't EVER put an apple logo on it, but many things, including the Michael Kors bags that are sold at :apple: stores are exclusive to them. Not always exclusive in design, but things have been changed like the padding on the straps, or length of straps, or compartments have been modified to fix apple devices securely. I know this as a fact.

Do you know of any other companies or brands that do this? I'm not really one to buy things based on a fancy designer name but if it has been specially designed then I'm interested. Do/did you used to work with Apple or another company that did this? Or is it just common knowledge in the industry?

I really wish I could design my own bag. It was surprisingly difficult to find a small bag that has an iPad pocket with quick access to storage for a small mirrorless camera, maybe an extra lens and a couple other accessories like my iPhone, Adobe Ink, earbuds and some cables. Hopefully this Incase bag works out.
 
You keep telling yourself that is "identical". Just don't come to me when your mba drops from a fake bag due to poor stiching etc. ;) while the possibility of being small defects units they threw away or extra hours of free manufacturing etc is possible, the most common answer is that the item will not be close to the original.

You know, if that happened I'd probably buy a new parallel imported MacBook.

I don't even know who's going to laugh more at that point. :D
 
Tell you the truth Apple compassion is on the low end of the spectrum. They are not well compensated in their respective fields.
As pointed out before there used to be a think called profit sharing in the past and employees generally got it as a bonus.
Over the past 20-30 years more and more is taken away from them and employees are not really given any thanks for their hard work for helping give companies record years. Instead it is lay off if it means they can get more profit.

I do not believe in bowing down and worshipping stock holders. Hell I am on the side that believe stock holder worship by clearly many on these boards is the problem. It is the worship of the mega elite and the expense of everyone else.

Why should the employees not get 5-10% of the profit of the company as a bonus on top of their pay? It is a small cut as htey help the company a lot. It also builds a lot of good while for employees.

Image respecting your employees. Something that is lost these days. Company wonder why people switch jobs so often? It is because they stop respecting them a long long time ago. It is sad but company by in large demand complete loyalty from their employees but give none in return.

Totally with you. In the good old days, the employees and customers came first, then the shareholders. Now, it's a complete reversal.... Just slob the shareholder knob at all costs. It's disgusting.
 
Do you know of any other companies or brands that do this? I'm not really one to buy things based on a fancy designer name but if it has been specially designed then I'm interested. Do/did you used to work with Apple or another company that did this? Or is it just common knowledge in the industry?

I really wish I could design my own bag. It was surprisingly difficult to find a small bag that has an iPad pocket with quick access to storage for a small mirrorless camera, maybe an extra lens and a couple other accessories like my iPhone, Adobe Ink, earbuds and some cables. Hopefully this Incase bag works out.


http://store.apple.com/us/accessories/all-accessories/bags#!&f=exclusive&fh=4096+3b25

some of these items may seem like you could buy it elsewhere, but when :apple: states that something is exclusive for them, it my have just been redesigned to be a superior then the commonly found item.

the bag that i'm currently using is an incase icon pack. https://www.goincase.com/shop/bags/incase-icon-pack/red/
 
As said multiple time before in this thread there used to be a thing called profit sharing for all employees. It used to be normal in stead of the exceptions. You have an end goal of profit (saying 20% revenue) Anything above that you give 50% to the employees. Employees pushed up the profits higher they get a cut of the pie.

Shareholders happy their return is higher. Employees get a cut as well.

Now days it is all about screw employees lets give money to the top 1% and lets push wages down. Do not forget Apple is among the tech giants that got busted for doing it.

So as someone pointed out if Apple took 1 bil of their profit and split it among their employees it would of been 10k per employee. Now you can even base that cut based on salary. That is how my company does it. Profit sharing came out to be north of 20% payroll. Everyone got a 20% bonus.

Now stuff like that is a massive exception instead of the norm.

That's good for you, congratulations! I think you're romanticising the past, though. Can't seem to recall substantial profit sharing plans being common with really large publicly traded corporations at any point. Whole Foods Market types of conpanies comes to mind when you say that.
 
That's good for you, congratulations! I think you're romanticising the past, though. Can't seem to recall substantial profit sharing plans being common with really large publicly traded corporations at any point. Whole Foods Market types of conpanies comes to mind when you say that.
Bonus used to be normal. And generally good bonuses across the board.

Now it is all stock holder worship. Oh hail the mighty stock holder. They deserve everything. Screw employees screw everyone else.
What is even sadder is many of those people are doing direct conflicts of what is best for themselves.

But hey if you want to worship the stockholders so be it. Just do not expect me to respect you or anyone else for it.
Instead I look at those people as a huge part of the problem. Hell I look at many of them as clueless fools that fell for a phishing scammed hook line and sinker.
 
Bonus used to be normal. And generally good bonuses across the board.

Now it is all stock holder worship. Oh hail the mighty stock holder. They deserve everything. Screw employees screw everyone else.
What is even sadder is many of those people are doing direct conflicts of what is best for themselves.

But hey if you want to worship the stockholders so be it. Just do not expect me to respect you or anyone else for it.
Instead I look at those people as a huge part of the problem. Hell I look at many of them as clueless fools that fell for a phishing scammed hook line and sinker.

Somewhere in the last 30 years there has been an absolute noticeable shift in the value placed on stock and stock holders versus the employees. Anyone who believes otherwise is either very young and thinks this is how it's always been, or vey Naive.

Then people realized that there was more money to be made (if you already had money) by just trading stock, rather than doing any real work. The industry took off. Stock ownership and trading became all important.

This had a negative affect though overall on economy. For stock to improve and make the traders money, that stock had to be tied to the performance of the company. For stock to continue to increase in value (the only thing a trader cares about), the company had to increase in value. For a company to increase in value, you have to have continued growth of profit.

There are only legitimately two methods of increasing profit. raise revenue or decrease expenses.

So what happens when increasing revenues by records amount stops? its an unobtainable ideal for most companies in the current world. There's a finite amount of people buying a finite amount of items. Eventually you saturate a market and that revenue stream is no longer giving enough growth and therefore enough profit to further increase stock holder wealth.

So they resort to the other means of increasing profit. Reduction of expenses. And you know what the biggest expense for any company is? Payroll. Employees are expensive. over the last decade we have started to really see corporations go directly after the employees in order to increase profit and increase the wealth of shareholders. Around the world we have seen benefits cut. Bonuses seem to be a thing of the past. The average raises in most industries now is the same, if not slightly less than inflation.

this doesn't work and is horrible for the economy. for "trickle down" laissez faire economy to work (you know, the type the US claims to want to be), it requires the top to send profits down the company through to the employees. When that happens, employees have more money to spend on more things. more disposable income they have, the more they buy, and the more money gets recycled back into the system.

instead, we're seeing so very few people up top, who have the money already to buy vast amounts of ownership stock, using that stock to make more money and keep it mostly to themselves. The economy works best when 100 people buy 10,000 cars, than when 1 person buys a 100,000 car.
 
Why a backpack? Just in case. How about a concisely delivered pun on the brand "incase", instead of a dreary, pretentious poem?

Then again, there's nothing like a bit of cheap advertising, ya know?

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that is so lame! company of this magnitude gives this junk - that they buy at $10 at most a piece in mass quantity. how about free iPhone/ipod touch or at least $300 gift certificate?

that rivals this article:
http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20141205-the-worst-bonuses-ever

Yes please - give me an iPhone 6, then I can sell it and buy ALL my family a Moto G each, and share the joy instead of keeping it to myself :)
 
Bonus used to be normal. And generally good bonuses across the board.

Now it is all stock holder worship. Oh hail the mighty stock holder. They deserve everything. Screw employees screw everyone else.

Thats a horrible attitude for any company to have, I just think, good luck running a business without employee. Yet since they know they are so easy to get many just dont care that much.
 
Most big firms, like Apple, offer a year end bonus based on sales, performance, and meeting objectives.

I'm sure the bag is extra

Apple Retail Employee checking in:

:eek:

I wish. We don't get bonuses. Just bags and hoodies for christmas.

yeah.
 

I was wanting even smaller: the Incase Point and Shoot Field Bag. Based on the product shots, I feel like that name is disingenuous because many of the photos show it holding mirrorless cameras and lenses. I'm going to get into mirrorless soon and the Sony models I'm looking at are even smaller than the Fuji used in the product shots. It's not super fancy but hits most of my requirements. Link to bag: https://www.goincase.com/shop/bags/incase-point-and-shoot-field-bag/
 
Wow. Just wow. A backpack priced at $60 retail, with the company logo on it. I think I'd quit on the spot if that was my christmas bonus.

And I would hope any employee with that frame of mind would quit on the spot.

Chances are they bring down the morale of the rest of the people they work around. Get rid of those "bad apples" and see how well the rest of your team improves instantly, like a dreary fog just lifted. Good riddance and with that, good luck.
 
And I would hope any employee with that frame of mind would quit on the spot.

Chances are they bring down the morale of the rest of the people they work around. Get rid of those "bad apples" and see how well the rest of your team improves instantly, like a dreary fog just lifted. Good riddance and with that, good luck.

Not that I would be thinking the same as this person. Yet tons of people think all types of things and still do their job well. Most people likely hate their job yet their work reflects them so it must be done well regardless of how one feels.
 
"Amazing products are designed in Cupertino."

The new Mac Mini is *not* an amazing product. Hundreds if not thousands of customer reviews say it is horrible. Shame on you Apple for making your most loyal customer (I have owned 50 of your devices) say this in anger and disappointment.

Thousands? If it's that horrible who are the thousands of people that bought it? :confused:
 
Somewhere in the last 30 years there has been an absolute noticeable shift in the value placed on stock and stock holders versus the employees. Anyone who believes otherwise is either very young and thinks this is how it's always been, or vey Naive.

Then people realized that there was more money to be made (if you already had money) by just trading stock, rather than doing any real work. The industry took off. Stock ownership and trading became all important.

This had a negative affect though overall on economy. For stock to improve and make the traders money, that stock had to be tied to the performance of the company. For stock to continue to increase in value (the only thing a trader cares about), the company had to increase in value. For a company to increase in value, you have to have continued growth of profit.

There are only legitimately two methods of increasing profit. raise revenue or decrease expenses.

So what happens when increasing revenues by records amount stops? its an unobtainable ideal for most companies in the current world. There's a finite amount of people buying a finite amount of items. Eventually you saturate a market and that revenue stream is no longer giving enough growth and therefore enough profit to further increase stock holder wealth.

So they resort to the other means of increasing profit. Reduction of expenses. And you know what the biggest expense for any company is? Payroll. Employees are expensive. over the last decade we have started to really see corporations go directly after the employees in order to increase profit and increase the wealth of shareholders. Around the world we have seen benefits cut. Bonuses seem to be a thing of the past. The average raises in most industries now is the same, if not slightly less than inflation.

this doesn't work and is horrible for the economy. for "trickle down" laissez faire economy to work (you know, the type the US claims to want to be), it requires the top to send profits down the company through to the employees. When that happens, employees have more money to spend on more things. more disposable income they have, the more they buy, and the more money gets recycled back into the system.

instead, we're seeing so very few people up top, who have the money already to buy vast amounts of ownership stock, using that stock to make more money and keep it mostly to themselves. The economy works best when 100 people buy 10,000 cars, than when 1 person buys a 100,000 car.

Yes, another person that gets it. It's really brutal how this has changed over the years. And they wonder why most people hate Wall Street and those that worship it?

Instead of cuttin costs to the bone why can't they just take a little less profit or share that profit with the employees in the form of better pay and benefits? Yeah, LESS profit. Sorry, Wall Street Neanderthal, you'll have to get by on just six mansions, two islands, and three yachts. I know, it's asking a lot but what the heck?

The least we could do in this country is tax investment income like regular income or at some higher rate. That's a start. At least get some of that money back into the local economies to offset the high taxes that people get stuck paying that are on regular payrolls.

Wall Street is just a casino anyways. Tax it like Vegas winnings. It's the EXACT same thing as playing roulette or poker.
 
Yes, another person that gets it. It's really brutal how this has changed over the years. And they wonder why most people hate Wall Street and those that worship it?

Instead of cuttin costs to the bone why can't they just take a little less profit or share that profit with the employees in the form of better pay and benefits? Yeah, LESS profit. Sorry, Wall Street Neanderthal, you'll have to get by on just six mansions, two islands, and three yachts. I know, it's asking a lot but what the heck?

The least we could do in this country is tax investment income like regular income or at some higher rate. That's a start. At least get some of that money back into the local economies to offset the high taxes that people get stuck paying that are on regular payrolls.

Wall Street is just a casino anyways. Tax it like Vegas winnings. It's the EXACT same thing as playing roulette or poker.

So many companies could just make less profit and do just fine. Yeah, I know publicly held companies would run into issues. The entire structure of growth is flawed anyway, more profit, more people, expand etc... that can't be sustained forever.

Some companies act like less profit is a loss.
 
i always find christmas gifts from companies a terrible idea. you can only end up with disappointed staff.

however if this is all they get then it reminds me of my christmas gift 10 years ago when i got a quality street candy tin.

Not like the BBC would have an agenda or anything.

please educate us on the agenda the bbc has
 
So many companies could just make less profit and do just fine. Yeah, I know publicly held companies would run into issues. The entire structure of growth is flawed anyway, more profit, more people, expand etc... that can't be sustained forever.

Some companies act like less profit is a loss.

They did some studies and found a few common on publicly traded companies vs private companies (llc, employees owned, non publicly traded) .

1. The public companies decision tend to increase profits short term and the expense of long term. This made even worse we her stock options where involved and executives bonuses tied to stock or profit goals. Private companies where more willing to eat short term profit losses to even losses if it meant long term gains.

2. Private companies where more likely to eat loses to keep from laying off employees and not lay them off just to boost profit. Employees perks and employees happiness matter and is a primary concern vs 2nddarry. Money would be spent to buy say a game system for employees to play. Public companies it would be a waste hurt profits so no.
 
Bah. Nice and all but I was hoping for a seasonal green or gold fleece. Already have a bunch of red and blue. Besides most employees bought Booq bags with the 75% off coupon.

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Apple Retail Employee checking in:

:eek:

I wish. We don't get bonuses. Just bags and hoodies for christmas.

yeah.
He speaketh the truth.
 
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