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Wow you're acting like an entitled little brat. I am 100% certain that those employees are compensated well over 10k per year with a VERY competitive salary package, stock options plans, 401k and other retirement plans, etc. It is a Xmas gift as a little extra, it's not meant to be part if their compensation package, nor should it be expected to be. What a joke of a post this is.

thats only corporate and store managers

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Entitlement? They are a part of a company that made billions in profit. It's not a sense of entitlement since they are the ones who helped make that happen. They did their part. Their performance is in the numbers. They are putting forth effort and that effort has paid off. Since Apple is doing better than just about any company, shouldn't the employees have an end of the year bonus that reflects that? 40 bil in profits and they hand out backpacks. Why?

As an employer, what would make you NOT want to give back to the people who are a part of your company who helped you make $40 billion in profit?

Hey CEO, we should give large bonuses to our employees since we make more money than just about anyone anywhere in the world.

NO.

Give them backpacks.

It's not entitlement, it's kind of messed up that they have that much money and they don't give more to their employees.

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Well, lets hear it Apple employees, what was your end of year bonus? I know some of you are out there reading.

in previous experience for regular retail employees (sales, genius bar) that was it. they got a backpack instead of a zip up hoodie this year. oh, and a card.
 
Many Apple employees get company issued iPhones, iPads, Macbooks, etc. Hell, when I was a sales rep at AT&T I received a company issued iPhone...

Not retail employees. Definitely not. And I'm sure corporate employees receive much nicer gifts.

My Incase backpack is probably the best backpack I've ever owned. Apple would make a killing if they partnered with a company that makes high-quality gear like Incase to sell Apple-branded bags to consumers. Put an Apple logo on it and mark it up! Or they could go all out and not only have a logo but other premium features such as use of higher quality fabrics with color choices/trim that match Apple's smart cases and covers with bead-blasted aluminum zipper pulls in silver, space gray and gold.

Apple Does this. They don't EVER put an apple logo on it, but many things, including the Michael Kors bags that are sold at :apple: stores are exclusive to them. Not always exclusive in design, but things have been changed like the padding on the straps, or length of straps, or compartments have been modified to fix apple devices securely. I know this as a fact.

The past couple of years it's been a cheap hoody, grey then black. Before that? A blanket. A bag is kinda an upgrade, but still insulting. To all those who claim it's expecting too much to expect more than a bag from the worlds richest company, well try working there, at this time of year. Being encouraged to seek out business users so that you can discuss with them purchasing iPads/iPods/iPhones etc to use as gifts for employees, knowing full well that the company that MAKES those products will give ITS OWN EMPLOYEES a cheap hoody. Try taking twice/three times your annual salary in one days revenue, on numerous occasions, knowing that the wage you receive means you can't purchase many of the products yourself. All the while having to smile and never EVER say anything less than positive, lest you be deemed negative.

Spot on.
 
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I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that poem didn't rhyme.

Although, I'm knowledgeable enough to realize that poems needn't rhyme, as they can be rhythmically pleasing, or even neither.

I bet Dr. Dre could have come up with something that was both rhythmic and rhymed.
 
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Wow you're acting like an entitled little brat. I am 100% certain that those employees are compensated well over 10k per year with a VERY competitive salary package, stock options plans, 401k and other retirement plans, etc. It is a Xmas gift as a little extra, it's not meant to be part if their compensation package, nor should it be expected to be. What a joke of a post this is.

No, I don't see how it is morally acceptable to make so much money from the efforts of those that you employ and not make sure that they share in the bounty. I know they have good benefits but we are seeing top notch profit and success and employee compensation should see that as well. They are the company, they are Apple, they are the ones who make it happen.
 
No, I don't see how it is morally acceptable to make so much money from the efforts of those that you employ and not make sure that they share in the bounty. I know they have good benefits but we are seeing top notch profit and success and employee compensation should see that as well. They are the company, they are Apple, they are the ones who make it happen.
And this type of small fun company holiday gift has nothing to do with any of that.
 
But practical considering Apple retail employees earn so little they probably need to pack their lunch and catch public transport to work.

Do they?

In the UK (at least) they are paid £9.15 ($14.41) per hour which for retail is pretty good (it's the living wage).

Do they pay less in the US?
 
No, I don't see how it is morally acceptable to make so much money from the efforts of those that you employ and not make sure that they share in the bounty. I know they have good benefits but we are seeing top notch profit and success and employee compensation should see that as well. They are the company, they are Apple, they are the ones who make it happen.

Yeah, and they get paid top notch compensation packages as well. Profits are for shareholders, not for employees, not even executives. It just so happens that executives and in Apple's case, thousands of Apple employees, are also shareholders, and reap the benefits of those profits via the shares they own or have options to buy/convert.

The point is, a corporate Xmas gift like this is not meant to be a bonus relating to the compensation package they receive. It should not be thought of in that way. I'm sure those who were deemed worthy also received a Xmas/year-end bonus as well.

Retail employees are unfortunately not really relevant to the discussion. Non-managers are mostly students, non-college degree, or part time. I'm sorry, but retail floor work is not "the company," for any company. Even at Apple, turnover at that level is very high due to the nature of the job and the employees who take them. That we are discussing this at retail employee level is silly, really. How do you qualify then? Maybe do it like IKEA?

You know, IKEA recently implemented an annual bonus system similar to what you suggested, gave out a significant portion of its profits to all its global employees, even retail level...but not only did the company need to meet its internal financial goals on a global basis to trigger the bonus, but you had to qualify - I think that you had to have been am employee for an unbroken period of at least five years, worked a certain number of hours, etc. but if you qualified, you got the same amount no matter what level you were at or what department or division. They put the money into your qualified retirement contribution plan, that would a 401k in the US, in Sweden an approved tjänstepension or retirement account, etc. IKEA, like Apple, has an incredibly loyal employee base, and still had only had something like 5,000 employees nationwide in the US qualify last year. I think globally, IKEA paid out an extra $137m total to retirement plans as a result of the program last year.

IKEA is also one of the the largest closely held private corporations in the world, its founder and owner deciding to live in tax exile in Switzerland for 30 odd years before finally returning to his home country and creating a corporate structure designed to avoid paying Swedish corporate and personal taxes, which ended up amounting to hundreds of millions of dollars in back taxes when he finally did return.

My point is that no company is in it for the employees...not really. It is the owners/shareholders it is looking out for. Share the profit? Owners and shareholders would argue, quite rightly, that they are the ones entitled to the profit. The employees have already been compensated for the work they have done, and well, if the joint sum of their work ends up being worth more than they were paid, well that is the whole point, isn't it? If it wasn't that way, the business wouldn't be in business very long, would it?

At what point does the magnitude of the profit reach a level where the concept of that profit being the entitlement of the owners/shareholders become invalid? It is not as if employees are slaves. They enter into a contract with their employers, and sell their labor to them for a mutually agreed sum of money. An employee should not then feel entitled to more than the mutually agreed upon contract, and if he does receive it, no matter how little more, then that should be a welcome surprise, not a source of disgruntlement. Especially if said employee already has some form of incentive-based compensation in their contract, whether that be a 401k matching program or a financial result performance bonus.

Seriously...morally acceptable? There is nothing more morally unacceptable than trying to use guilt and entitlement to argue that a company's profits should be forfeited back to the employees rather than the owners/shareholders, especially when employment and related costs amount to most likely the single largest expense category on the income statement, i.e. where most of the company's money is already going.
 
I wonder if Apple will give every employee an Watch when it launches next year. That would be a much cooler gift.

When iPod first came out, we did get the right to buy one at a cheaper price (I forget what, maybe 25% discount), one per employee.

Apple was a much poorer company then, so they certainly COULD afford to give everyone an aWatch. But you also don't appreciate as much something you get for free --- plenty of studies have shown this. More likely, I think, they'll do the same as with iPod, only maybe a much higher discount, like 50%.
 
And another benefit that was actually useful was $500 off a computer (that I combined with 25% off, and they take the 25% off first then -500). But the 500 is once every 3 years. But you get 25% off each major product. 1 Mac. 1 iPad. 1 iPod. Once a year. But I've only used it on my iMac i have now

But other than that the hr wage barely gets you by month to month. I wouldn't be able to afford a Mac unless I lived at home or didn't have rent. Also employees who work at the Genius Bar usually make the same as someone who just sells you product.
 
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omg, a whole million! i rather buy something right now so they don't go bankrupt.
i don't work for apple, but the corporate can do a lot more to appreciate it's workforce that is is pushing BILLIONS of profit through those store apples you ass!

It doesn't surprise me that you don't understand when you resort to personal insults :rolleyes:
 
So, why don't they get managerial jobs? Could it be because they don't have the training, skill and experience?

That's what retail is. If you don't want to work in retail get some training and experience. I was unhappy with my salary, so I went and got and MBA, worked my way into a management job with Intel and then went back and got a Ph.D. All while I had kids. If you want to get ahead in life you have to make sacrifices and work hard. THEN you get paid lots of money. That's how it works and that's how it should work.

Very condescending. Our managers have managed a wide range of stores, including Nike, Ikea, and Prada.

I personally have extensive training in very technical areas and over 35 years experience. I am also MS Technology Specialist and published in an international scientific journal. I was made redundant and its not easy at my age to find a job, so please don't think everyone is a 18 year old brat.

I was going to apply to Apple Retail because I was looking for another job but I was wondering if it's worth it. Is working at Applw fun, boring, tough, annoying, etc. What are people's thoughts about working at Apple Retail?

Sometimes you get a really nice customer, but that doesn't compare with cigaret breath, body odours, and rudeness that and unrealistic expectations of a large number. "I spent 4000 Euro on this computer 2 years ago and it hasn't worked since this morning and I want it fixed now or I will never buy another apple product again. I don't care the technicians are over loaded, get another technician here now and get me an appointment now or I will sue" type (I had one like this today.)

Its hard work sometimes, you get shouted at by customers who are pi$$ed off, overloaded by managers demanding ever higher turn over, get few thanks, no breaks, and no time for a private life. Pay isn't good. My wife is a clerk in an office and earns over twice what I do and works less hours, gets free meals and bonuses of 2.5 months in her contract, as well as transport costs and entertainment allowance (although she isn't required to entertain). She also got a christmas hamper worth over 300 Euros.

Other than that its fine.
 
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Very condescending. Our managers have managed a wide range of stores, including Nike, Ikea, and Prada.

I personally have extensive training in very technical areas and over 35 years experience. I am also MS Technology Specialist and published in an international scientific journal. I was made redundant and its not easy at my age to find a job, so please don't think everyone is a 18 year old brat.


I had some of the same thoughts. Many people have the training and experience yet no jobs in that area.
 
Well after reading the threads there are two camps. One that says don't expect anything because I don't get anything from my company. While the other says they could have done more.

The bottom line is, those who cite personal examples of how they got next to nothing from their companies in spite of holding high positions forgot to mention what companies they are working for.

We are talking about Apple. The most valuable company in the world and not some XYZ, inc. A company with vision, tough hiring practices and where the employees are not just another number but part of their asset. Oh I forgot, the most richest in terms of profit and assets. The same company that stashed money overseas to escape taxes. Couldn't they have given a more substantial gift and write it off as expenses?

Sorry I know many drink the Apple koolaid here but Apple is one stingy company. Look at their so called "Christmas/Thanksgiving Sale".

BMW or other Auto companies usually give employee discounts for their vehicles which is 5-10% below invoice price and they are entitled to buying 3 vehicles a year.

You want to know how a profitable company treats its employees? Check out Microsoft,Google or Oil companies (Exxon mobile).

Apple will always be a bottom scraper. Its in their genes. Heck even Steve stole money from Wozniak when they were starting out.

So shove your moral high ground on how you should kneel to the ground and pray to the Apple gods for having given you a job. If they didn't then there won't be any Apple stores!

In my post about getting a similarly-valued holiday gift, I mentioned I worked at Procter & Gamble, currently 31st on the Fortune 500. ~118,000 employees worldwide in 2014.

Go out and play now...
 
Taobao then prob fakes.

Not if it's identical from the "officially distributed" products. ;) Who's to say which one is more "real"? :p

In fact, I suspect most of these products are either "locally sourced" (the producing factory is practically next door) or parallel imports from different countries in Asia.
 
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Not if it's identical from the "officially distributed" products. ;) Who's to say which one is more "real"? :p

In fact, I suspect most of these products are either "locally sourced" (the producing factory is practically next door) or parallel imports from different countries in Asia.

You keep telling yourself that is "identical". Just don't come to me when your mba drops from a fake bag due to poor stiching etc. ;) while the possibility of being small defects units they threw away or extra hours of free manufacturing etc is possible, the most common answer is that the item will not be close to the original.
 
What is a Christmas bonus? LOL, I am lucky to have Christmas Day off! And that is a nice gift, an extra backpack is always a good thing to have.
 
Apple used to make amazing products

"Amazing products are designed in Cupertino."

The new Mac Mini is *not* an amazing product. Hundreds if not thousands of customer reviews say it is horrible. Shame on you Apple for making your most loyal customer (I have owned 50 of your devices) say this in anger and disappointment.
 
In my post about getting a similarly-valued holiday gift, I mentioned I worked at Procter & Gamble, currently 31st on the Fortune 500. ~118,000 employees worldwide in 2014.

Go out and play now...

Yeah? Now go brush your teeth with their toothpaste.

Proctor and Gamble is no Apple or Google.
 
Yeah, and they get paid top notch compensation packages as well. Profits are for shareholders, not for employees, not even executives. It just so happens that executives and in Apple's case, thousands of Apple employees, are also shareholders, and reap the benefits of those profits via the shares they own or have options to buy/convert.
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As said multiple time before in this thread there used to be a thing called profit sharing for all employees. It used to be normal in stead of the exceptions. You have an end goal of profit (saying 20% revenue) Anything above that you give 50% to the employees. Employees pushed up the profits higher they get a cut of the pie.

Shareholders happy their return is higher. Employees get a cut as well.

Now days it is all about screw employees lets give money to the top 1% and lets push wages down. Do not forget Apple is among the tech giants that got busted for doing it.

So as someone pointed out if Apple took 1 bil of their profit and split it among their employees it would of been 10k per employee. Now you can even base that cut based on salary. That is how my company does it. Profit sharing came out to be north of 20% payroll. Everyone got a 20% bonus.

Now stuff like that is a massive exception instead of the norm.
 
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