https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_market
India is listed in that article. LOL. No surprise since tax evasion is part of the black market.
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Apple Has Encountered 'Little Success' Growing in India Due to High Prices of iPhones
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_market
India is listed in that article. LOL. No surprise since tax evasion is part of the black market.
Apple should just partner with a local ODM maker in India. Have it region locked, so they can build phones in the 300-500 dollar range specially for India, with a modified iOS on it. Get as many as people possible locked into the Apple ecosystem. Once their economy gets stronger in the next 5 to 10 years, close the ODM and start selling the flagships.
A lot the improvements in China come from their single party government. The governments says, "We want to be technologically advanced, let's clean the pollution, let's connect everyone with high speed rail" startups develop smartphone technologies, connected everything, people buy a smartphones, they can order people to stop polluting (literally), they will build all new infrastructure. (There of course downfalls to this single party system, but that will be too political)
In India, there is no central body holding all the power that the populace has to follow. No infrastructure can built without committees and a long time. It takes years for Apple to open a store or factory. Foreign companies cannot break into the market without padding to pockets of many people in power.
I think those URLs literally affirmed the other poster's comments (though perhaps the examples were a bit exaggerated). The first URL is a shop in New Delhi which has a number of luxury brands, but the other links are just your common foreign brands.
In India, there is no central body holding all the power that the populace has to follow. No infrastructure can built without committees and a long time. It takes years for Apple to open a store or factory. Foreign companies cannot break into the market without padding to pockets of many people in power.
What India have you been to ?
Here's a small snapshot of brands in India...
https://www.selectcitywalk.com/shopping/
http://lulumall.in/fashion
https://www.phoenixmarketcity.com/chennai/brands
The ignorance in this thread is off the hook!
I think those URLs literally affirmed the other poster's comments (though perhaps the examples were a bit exaggerated). The first URL is a shop in New Delhi which has a number of luxury brands, but the other links are just your common foreign brands.
Because they are trying anything to sell their failing phones?
Apple has the formula, that is clear. 217M phones at $761/each. Every company is trying to be Apple.
Most companies are not actually trying to be Apple. Most companies want to push more units at the cost of margin.
The response was/is befitting to the benighted post it quoted. The 'foreign brands', common as they may be, are quite popular across PanAsian and European markets.
What India have you been to ?
Here's a small snapshot of brands in India...
https://www.selectcitywalk.com/shopping/
http://lulumall.in/fashion
https://www.phoenixmarketcity.com/chennai/brands
The ignorance in this thread is off the hook!
How many Top 100 Best Global Brands and locations are there in India? Virtually none.
Louis Vuitton
- India: 3
- U.S.: >30
- China: >30
Chanel boutiques
- India: 1
- U.S.: 11 in NYC alone
- China: 12 in Beijing alone
Hermès
- India: 2
- U.S. >40
- China: 50
What India have you been to ?
Here's a small snapshot of brands in India.
https://www.selectcitywalk.com/shopping/
http://lulumall.in/fashion
https://www.phoenixmarketcity.com/chennai/brands
The ignorance in this thread is off the hook!
New Delhi was a few years back. Maybe in the past few years India has joined the modern world. Either way I don't care have on plans to go back.Ignorance is bliss in this case. FWIW I have lived in much more primitive places i the third world. It's just that India for the size of it's cities have nothing really to offer. Khan market and NOIDA are utterly pathetic compared to what you find in the Ginza of Tokyo or what's around Singapore.
So don't try to play it off as India is at the avant-garde of anything. I might be ignorant but i am not that stupid. Just looked at your links. It is as I said the malls offer very little. If you think that's world class you are simply mistaken.
Refurbished iPhones would sell well in India perhaps - for the next while.
Also, I remember a lot of people did not believe Chinese people could afford some things not so long ago, and that changed a lot, didn’t it? China buy more Porsche’s than America now, I’m pretty sure. Do not be surprised when India comes on strong.
Apple’s latest phones, even if sold for the cost of the hardware production, would still be too expensive! Think about that. They are making the best product - no apologies required. Griping about the cost of a Porsche would seem silly and so does this continuous iPhone price griping. Vote with your wallet - Apple is selling millions of iPhones right this very minute. Maybe 80 million or so in this quarter-year period! Quality always sells well.
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Apple sold record numbers and made record revenue last quarter. So you know something factual about slowing sales?
Apple guidance is for another record all time quarter! I know people are easily propagandized and influenced, but they said the same crap about slowing sales last year with the iPhone X lol! Remember that? And they broke records last year too!
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Wow, you don’t value your time enough to get the best? If you spend any time on your phone daily it’s easily affordable! Next year will you buy a used iPhone, Doc? Seems like a mistake in my humble opinion. You spend over $1000.00 per year just for you cell phone service plan right?
Also, I remember a lot of people did not believe Chinese people could afford some things not so long ago, and that changed a lot, didn’t it? China buy more Porsche’s than America now, I’m pretty sure. Do not be surprised when India comes on strong.
Apple’s latest phones, even if sold for the cost of the hardware production, would still be too expensive! Think about that. They are making the best product - no apologies required. Griping about the cost of a Porsche would seem silly and so does this continuous iPhone price griping. Vote with your wallet - Apple is selling millions of iPhones right this very minute. Maybe 80 million or so in this quarter-year period! Quality always sells well.
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Apple sold record numbers and made record revenue last quarter. So you know something factual about slowing sales?
Apple guidance is for another record all time quarter! I know people are easily propagandized and influenced, but they said the same crap about slowing sales last year with the iPhone X lol! Remember that? And they broke records last year too!
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Wow, you don’t value your time enough to get the best? If you spend any time on your phone daily it’s easily affordable! Next year will you buy a used iPhone, Doc? Seems like a mistake in my humble opinion. You spend over $1000.00 per year just for you cell phone service plan right?
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Correct. Non functioning “notch” on some Android models. Phones designed for low cost more than best function. Copycats. Etc.
Apple is making the best product - and pretty much lets the chips fall where they may.
The stats say otherwise.
iOS market share in Thailand is 20% vs. worldwide 24%. Anecdotal accounts are often wrong due to confirmation bias.
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/thailand
It's all about local manufacturing. That's what India (regulators) wants. Samsung, Xiaomi, et al have done exactly that. Due to their own high standard, Apple is extremely careful in pushing manufacturing in India, so they will always have a disadvantage. If Apple pushes full on manufacturing Apple products in India, I'm sure Apple will get better treatment from the regulators.
Wrong. They push units at low prices because they don’t have pricing power. No good company wants to sell their products for less than possible. Apple just demonstrated pricing power of their products in 2018.
They can always lower, but companies dream of raising prices. Most just can’t.
Look at Disney’s prices. They raise because they can.
This. Only fools would ignore the emerging markets like India and Indonesia (second and 4th largest population in the world). All luxury brands have, or want to have, presence in these countries. The top 1% in these countries can shame even the richest Americans.
Wait, there's one place left in the world where everyone isn't walking around like zombies staring at screens, tuned out of the real world to be lost in their own little virtual vanity trap?
Just think of the poor opressed people unable to consume our premium corporate ad content, suffering as they are, unaware of what they're missing from all the heaps of crap from amazon they could be filling their lives with instead of wasting their time interacting with each other in person.
They must be assimilated. Think of the children! Resistance is futile.
Just think of the poor opressed people unable to consume our premium corporate ad content, suffering as they are, unaware of what they're missing from all the heaps of crap from amazon they could be filling their lives with instead of wasting their time interacting with each other in person.
They must be assimilated. Think of the children! Resistance is futile.
My mistake, I was not aware of your economic background, mixed with your line with the CEOs.
This is one of the challenges to selling to upper income people. If you can only afford a $250 phone, then you only have one option. If you can afford a $1,000 phone then you have the option of a $1,000 phone, a $250 phone and every phone priced in between.
Rich people have many more buying options than poor people.
It seems to me that Apple is trying to offer a product line across the entire socio-economic spectrum. It may work, but I think they will struggle as more people begin to view the smartphone as another commodity.
It is not just India. In Japan, one of the wealthiest countries, Apple had to lower the prices as well.
So who is wrong the many countries, or Apple trying to sell way overpriced iPhones?
In 2 years Apple raise almost 100% the prices of the iPhones, when price sin technology with time actually become cheaper.
It is NOT android. It is the price!
When you raise the price of iphone 100% in the last 3 years, something is wrong. Especially, when technology actually becomes cheaper.
It is ricidulous that a phone cost the same or more than a laptop.
Tim Cook excuses that are combining cameras, etc, is quite lame for being the CEO of Apple.
[doublepost=1545179868][/doublepost]Taxes are heavy but they are the same for all manufacturers. So why is the Samsung note 9 the same price as the iPhone xs in the US but significantly cheaper than the iPhone xs in India? That suggests that there is an Apple specific problem.
Apple is NOT trying to offer a product line across the entire socio-economic spectrum.
They discontinued the S, and no replacement has been released. The cheapest NEW phone is $750.00 for the basic one. That is NOT AFFODABLE by any means. They are offering the iPhone 7, a 3 YEAR OLD PHONE, as the entry level so called "affordable" phone. So the only spectrum Apple is trying to cover is the middle upper, the upper and the ultra upper class.